Afghanistan is the new Vietnam.

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Snookercraze
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The US have now occupied Afghanistan for eight years, since 2001, and with another 40,000 troops expected to be sent within the next few months, it is clear the US have found themselves in a quagmire and they're sinking deeper into it day by day. Parallels of Vietnam have already been drawn and will continue to do so as long as the troops remain.

Simple. No matter what the US do, they will not succeed. The Afghans, like the Vietnamese, do not want their way of life. The failure to win the hearts and minds of ordinary people is why the US are failing.

Whatever the US and Britain are trying to achieve, they will not.
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(Original post by Snookercraze)
The US have now occupied Afghanistan for eight years, since 2001, and with another 40,000 troops expected to be sent within the next few months, it is clear the US have found themselves in a quagmire and they're sinking deeper into it day by day. Parallels of Vietnam have already been drawn and will continue to do so as long as the troops remain.

Simple. No matter what the US do, they will not succeed. The Afghans, like the Vietnamese, do not want their way of life. The failure to win the hearts and minds of ordinary people is why the US are failing.

Whatever the US and Britain are trying to achieve, they will not.
You do realise that America choose the president of Afganistan and this could be any random drunk off the street who they can say to...

"Listen mate, just follow what we say and all is well.

Btw, here's a new mansion and Ferrari Enzo"

I understand what you mean in terms of the people not wanting America but America are so powerful, now, that they can pretty much do anything they want.

Which is not the way it should be. :sigh:
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Oh no, not more American war movies.
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The Soviets failed and they border Afghanistan so it's no wonder this war isn't progressing.
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(Original post by Larry<3)
You do realise that America choose the president of Afganistan and this could be any random drunk off the street who they can say to...

"Listen mate, just follow what we say and all is well.

Btw, here's a new mansion and Ferrari Enzo"

I understand what you mean in terms of the people not wanting America but America are so powerful, now, that they can pretty much do anything they want.

Which is not the way it should be. :sigh:
I understand. But they were extremely powerful in the days of Vietnam, though they were checked by the USSR. But my point is that they will not win this war.
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I realised (or formally: started to believe in) this a couple of years ago, but the idea became further reinforced in my mind when the Taliban started to infiltrate the Afghan army and police forces.

My history teacher is a strongly anti-war character and despite his biases he does reveal some strong evidence at the hopelessness of the war. Frankly, the Afghans are one of only two national groups who have never been ruled by foreigners, the others being the Ethiopians and they're not going to give that up now! They defeated the Soviets and now they're defeating the Americans - both nations will military forces which could destroy the planet more than a hundred times over since 1971.

The average Afghan does not want the Taliban in power but it is offering the only resistance to occupation. Ignorant people are often sickened by civilian support for the Taliban but if you imagine a foreign force occupying us in the UK and an extremist group organising effective guerilla warfare against the invaders, I sincerely doubt that there would be a great British denunciation of the guerillas. Or am I wrong? :nah:
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The problem is that they have no idea what "winning" in Afghanistan actually means.
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Once the taliban received the transmission that foreign forces were invading their country they immediately moved to the border and into Pakistan. Now 8 years later Pakistan is in the frame and the border has become the front line. This tells you all you need to know about the war.
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The solution is quite simple: B52 their ass.

And carry on doing it until we B52 a democracy in there.
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its not like vietnam at all



in vietnam the americans were suffering serious casualties
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(Original post by CombineHarvester)
The Soviets failed and they border Afghanistan so it's no wonder this war isn't progressing.
Do you know how much of the local population supported the Soviet "intervention" and how many support the current operations?
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(Original post by Snookercraze)
The Afghans, like the Vietnamese, do not want their way of life.
The Afghans only know dictatorship, war and repression as ways of life. I'm pretty sure they would actually like democracy...



lol, quagmire
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Do you know how much of the local population supported the Soviet "intervention" and how many support the current operations?
The Afghan government certainly supported them and many moderates as well as those who had socialist principles. Obviously many locals didn't like the secular nature of the government but America is a far cry from an Islamic nation. The American (and other allies) invasion certainly isn't widely supported by Afghanis who value traditional aspects of their lifestyle such as religious and tribal practices.
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Not to mention the type of warfare, guerilla tactics by the Taliban like the Vietcong, troops are less well equipped but will use unconventional methods. Also the use of media like vietnam (even more established in the 21st century with internet) people can scrutinise the war at will, in fact with the internet it is even worse with all the leaked videos without approval.
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The Afghan government certainly supported them and many moderates as well as those who had socialist principles. Obviously many locals didn't like the secular nature of the government but America is a far cry from an Islamic nation.
The Afghan government supported them because without them they would have been destroyed. If you think the majority of the local population supported the Soviet intervention, read a book.

The American (and other allies) invasion certainly isn't widely supported by Afghanis who value traditional aspects of their lifestyle such as religious and tribal practices.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi...nt=155&lb=bras

The invasion was supported by a majority of Afghans. You obviously have no idea about Afghans.
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People have been saying this for years.
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two superpowers couldn't defeat the Taliban.... wow
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two superpowers couldn't defeat the Taliban.... wow
The Taliban became active in 1994. Sure those who fought against the Soviets became Taliban, but the Taliban never had combat with the Soviets. The Soviets had opposition from Masoud, Rabbanni, etc. etc. Your statement is false.
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two superpowers couldn't defeat the Taliban.... wow
The Taliban didn't exist when the Soviets invaded...
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The Taliban became active in 1994. Sure those who fought against the Soviets became Taliban, but the Taliban never had combat with the Soviets. The Soviets had opposition from Masoud, Rabbanni, etc. etc. Your statement is false.
Doh! Too slow!
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