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    In a bid to reduce hospital admissions - ambulances will not turn up when some 999 calls are made but rather dealt with over the phone to the irrational, panicking person who made the call or they'll try and send a super paramedic when its not within the 8 minutes worthy category...

    can anyone forsee mis-categorising?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4633765.stm

    Disgusting.
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    could be beneficial in some instances...rather than waiting about for an ambulance
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    But the super-paramedics have to get there.. and then they don't have all the resources they need as well as whole host of other problems. Surely there are more rational ways to solve the admissions problem
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    And of course there will be things which will be classified incorrectly, and they wont send an ambulance because its not "8-minutes-worthy"... so yeah I think there are gonna be some deaths over this
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    Or there could be lives saved.

    If there's an ambulance shortage, I want the ambulances to be attending to the people having heart attacks or going into shock - the broken arms and sprained ankles can wait. If there isn't an ambulance shortage, why do you think the government are considering this?

    If we want more medics, more ambulances and more ambulance stations then money needs to come from somewhere - perhaps that money should be found. If so, at the expense of what? It can't be both disgraceful that public services are underfunded and unacceptable that taxes need to be raised. As a Conservative you will have to make up your mind.
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    (Original post by HearTheThunder)
    In a bid to reduce hospital admissions - ambulances will not turn up when some 999 calls are made but rather dealt with over the phone to the irrational, panicking person who made the call or they'll try and send a super paramedic when its not within the 8 minutes worthy category...

    can anyone forsee mis-categorising?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4633765.stm

    Disgusting.
    I think we have to take into the equation, the average percentage of cases for which an ambulance is called in non-emergency situations. Also, for quite a few years now we have had the practice of people ringing centres manned by nurses when they want advice on whether to see their GP or not, and this have proved to be successful.

    Also, rapid response teams comprising very well qualified specialist nurses are going into peoples' own homes and arranging for treatment to be carried out in their homes rather than admitting them to hospital. I am thinking particularly of people with chronic lung diseases (with the exception of severe asthmatics) diabetes, early heart failure, etc.

    It has been demonstrated that there is not the perceived need for ambulances to be despatched 'willy-nilly' to cart people off to hospital when their condition could be dealt with adequately in their own homes.

    We now discharge people from hospital much sooner than was done formerly, and are not admitting people to hospital routinely as was done formerly. This is just another step to preventing unnecessary wastes of time, man-power and other resources - and avoiding the additional trauma of being admitted to hospital from home, and exposure to infections that are air-borne in hospital because it is a hospital with sick people in it!

    There will be guidelines to be followed and caution will be exercised so that in cases where there might be a need, the benefit of the doubt will be given.
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    My sister recently needed to go into hospital via an ambulance, we had a 'patrol car' come out to see her. Half way through their treatment she went unconcious and they needed to wait twenty minutes for a proper ambulance to come.

    How is this going to save lives???
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    By freeing up ambulances for people who need them, obviously.
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    But she did need one, when the paramedics got there she was unconcious and was fitting, thiswas all explained on the phone and they still didnt send a proper ambulance.
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    And it would've been a lot better if they'd sent an ambulance, right? So why are you opposing a measure that would free up ambulances for important cases, like that of your sister?
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    I am not opposing freeing up ambulances, but what I am arguing is their prioritsing system, my sister was placed fairly low down for them not to send out an ambulance when she was gennuinley having problems.

    What I do not trust is that this can happen again, what will happen next, will they only send out a super paramedic for someone who has respiratory problems or a coronary problem???
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    (Original post by Courty)
    I am not opposing freeing up ambulances, but what I am arguing is their prioritsing system, my sister was placed fairly low down for them not to send out an ambulance when she was gennuinley having problems.

    What I do not trust is that this can happen again, what will happen next, will they only send out a super paramedic for someone who has respiratory problems or a coronary problem???
    Is your sister OK? Because if she is they obviously made the right call. And who are you to say that there weren't people who needed an ambulance more than her? I understand it was traumatic for you, but there need to be priorities. The people who do this sort of thing are committed to saving lives and will do their very best for everyone - having an extra option can't hurt.

    That's ridiculous. The point of this is to save lives, not lose them.
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    I do see your point, but you must accept that the priorities must be set out before hand, otherwise you will have nothing but these super paramedics going out leaving the ambulances behind - only to bring them if they are called for.

    At the end of the day - yes a telephone call can help. But what is the point in sending out a car when you can send out an ambulance and it get there at the same speed. Would it not make more sense to only have ambulances that are fully equiped to deal with anything, rather than having cars with half of the kit in them.
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    (Original post by Courty)
    I do see your point, but you must accept that the priorities must be set out before hand, otherwise you will have nothing but these super paramedics going out leaving the ambulances behind - only to bring them if they are called for.

    At the end of the day - yes a telephone call can help. But what is the point in sending out a car when you can send out an ambulance and it get there at the same speed. Would it not make more sense to only have ambulances that are fully equiped to deal with anything, rather than having cars with half of the kit in them.
    Well of course, priority goes to the most serious cases. That it setting them out beforehand. Unfortunately, depending on the situation the power to make such decisions should lie in the hands of the operators. Bureaucracy will slow the system down further...

    I thought they were putting the super-paramedics on motorbikes during busy times? So they can go between the lanes of traffic. So it'd actually be faster.
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    (Original post by HearTheThunder)
    In a bid to reduce hospital admissions - ambulances will not turn up when some 999 calls are made but rather dealt with over the phone to the irrational, panicking person who made the call or they'll try and send a super paramedic when its not within the 8 minutes worthy category...

    can anyone forsee mis-categorising?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4633765.stm

    Disgusting.
    Nice to see that all these extra billions the Labor government are spending on the NHS are really improving the service that's provided. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Howard)
    Nice to see that all these extra billions the Labor government are spending on the NHS are really improving the service that's provided. :rolleyes:
    Didn't you know that bureaucrats are the ones that save lives? :rolleyes: Can't think of any other reason why Labour is so obsessed with creating more and more of them.
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    Didn't you know that bureaucrats are the ones that save lives? :rolleyes: Can't think of any other reason why Labour is so obsessed with creating more and more of them.
    Bureaucrats save political lives by creating jobs for bureaucrats and hence votes for those that created them.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    Nice to see that all these extra billions the Labor government are spending on the NHS are really improving the service that's provided. :rolleyes:
    I have to say, Howard, that as a frequent user of the NHS (unfortunately!) there is a marked improvement in the services provided since the late 90's. I have a severe, life threatening illness which necessitates frequent admissions to hospital. If ambulances are being misused for less urgent cases it means that there is a delay in getting me to hospital and it is highly likely that this delay would be extremely injurious to my life. I am not being dramatic - these are facts!

    When I get to hospital, my time in A&E is much reduced than it was in former years. The care I receive from ancillary, nursing and medical staff is better than it ever was. My only small niggle (and it is only a niggle in comparison to my medical condition) is that the cleaning services are not up to much. But then they have been contracted out ever since the Tory years, and as my Tory MP said when I asked him if his party could reverse the practice of putting all special needs children into mainstream schools - to reverse years of mis-management takes many more years!

    This new initative is welcome - it is common sense - the guidelines will be administered very closely and if there is any doubt in potential seriousness caution will be exercised - as evidenced by NHS Direct Procedures.
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    (Original post by yawn)
    I have to say, Howard, that as a frequent user of the NHS (unfortunately!) there is a marked improvement in the services provided since the late 90's. I have a severe, life threatening illness which necessitates frequent admissions to hospital. If ambulances are being misused for less urgent cases it means that there is a delay in getting me to hospital and it is highly likely that this delay would be extremely injurious to my life. I am not being dramatic - these are facts!

    When I get to hospital, my time in A&E is much reduced than it was in former years. The care I receive from ancillary, nursing and medical staff is better than it ever was. My only small niggle (and it is only a niggle in comparison to my medical condition) is that the cleaning services are not up to much. But then they have been contracted out ever since the Tory years, and as my Tory MP said when I asked him if his party could reverse the practice of putting all special needs children into mainstream schools - to reverse years of mis-management takes many more years!

    This new initative is welcome - it is common sense - the guidelines will be administered very closely and if there is any doubt in potential seriousness caution will be exercised - as evidenced by NHS Direct Procedures.
    Point well made and sorry to learn of your illness. You will be in my prayers.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    Point well made and sorry to learn of your illness. You will be in my prayers.
    Much appreciated Howard.
 
 
 

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