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    hi, i for one think this country is in a mess. lokk at all the people on the dole, some of them want to work but cant cos they are in awkward positions. some of them if they did work, would be worse off than they were on the dole.
    what ever happened to the brittish car industry??? it is slowly disapering, cos the tax is too fecking high on parts/ equipment so they have to put their prices up on products. upon doing this everyone realises that they can get a better car for cheaper frop abroad. mainly france.

    look at rover, bust. couldn,t keep up with the trends. while vw and other popular car producers were making little hatch backs ( which everyone wanted) rover and other brittish car manufacturers were still churning out boring/ bland granny cars.

    compare this country to any other country in the EU. we are driving french/german/japanese cars. while ther countrys drive their own cars. helping put the money back into the country.

    the NHS wot a mess. waiting lists as long as your arm.

    all the big companys are closing down/ going abroad cos they just cant cope.

    one day this country "great" britain is going to come to its fu&king senses and realise what a state its in.
    i hope im around to see it. tho i prob wont be living in the u.k when it happens.

    this country is in serious debt and all we can do is give our money away. dont get me wrong, there are some good causes out there. but shouldn,t we take care of out self,s rather than give millions/ billions to other countrys????

    i am thankfull for everything i have and never take it for granted and feel sorry for anyone living in poverty. but one day we might end up in poverty ourself,s.

    sorry if i sound rude/ arrogant, im not trying to sound like this.
    im just telling everyone my opinion.

    i would like some views/ opinions on this if you please.
    thanx. dave :confused:
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    Yes in my opinion this country is in a serious mess, and only optmists and Labour supporters will deny this. This country really is in a mess, and the rot starts from our loss of social values all the way up to an increasingly inbred pool of politicians and stagnant political ideologies at the top, not to mention ineffective government. I am afraid this country really is in a mess.
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    If you ask conservatives they would say it is in a huge mess, if you ask labour supporters they will say the country is in excellent shape, if you ask liberals they will tell you that it could do better.

    I for once think it's certainly not in a mess how the media portrays it, they have to sell papers and whatever will make people pick the paper up thats what they will put down there.

    Having said that in term of ideology it could do a lot better, a total lack of insipiration for the younger generations. The main policies put forward seem to come out of a forum full of 50+.
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    the NHS is certainly a mess.

    needs totally reformed and reborn for the 21st century, or scrapped altogether.
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    Yea - it's a mess, far from perfect. But if we look around the world relatively it's a model of perfection.

    Aren't there more people around who feel like bigdave does than there used to be? I hear those worries and frustrations all the time. People want change, order, action. People want leadership and identity, purpose and vision. Destiny!

    I'm reading a biography of Unity Mitford and the mood abroad is the same. REVOLUTION!

    maybe not...
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    (Original post by ArthurOliver)
    Yea - it's a mess, far from perfect. But if we look around the world relatively it's a model of perfection.
    so?

    we should have the best, for we are british.
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    I think everyone knows that the country is a shithole. It's the 'sorting it out' stage that takes intelligence.
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    (Original post by technik)
    so?

    we should have the best, for we are british.
    I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

    Anyway, could do better, could do helluvalot worse. I can't say I have particuarly noticed things going bad just recently any moreso than as always. There is always going to be problems - big problems - in a nation of 60 million, but it was ever thus. All things considered, we have things pretty schweet.
    *lights up pipe with £50 note*
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    (Original post by Alewhey)
    I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

    Anyway, could do better, could do helluvalot worse. I can't say I have particuarly noticed things going bad just recently any moreso than as always. There is always going to be problems - big problems - in a nation of 60 million, but it was ever thus. All things considered, we have things pretty schweet.
    *lights up pipe with £50 note*
    why would it be sarcastic?
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    I think it's an enormous pissoire. I'll let you know for sure in a couple of weeks when I return from my "vacation" to England.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    I think it's an enormous pissoire. I'll let you know for sure in a couple of weeks when I return from my "vacation" to England.
    Where are you now?
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    I've just come back from living in HK and it has been a real shock.

    Charvs are everywhere and they are proud to be scum, everyone is angry with everyone else, driving is a nightmare, public transport is worse, the NHS is a joke, crime is the norm, ASBO's - WTF is going on there?, we're chucking out Zimbabweans who are going to be killed, everything is being dumbed down.

    I've got four years at uni here and then I'm off again - it isn't worth staying in the UK as you can have a better quality of life elsewhere.
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    The UK is a mess thanks to labour. If only Thatcher was still PM.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    I think it's an enormous pissoire. I'll let you know for sure in a couple of weeks when I return from my "vacation" to England.
    *gasp* - he's returning?

    Best dust off the red carpet.
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    (Original post by bigdavevw)
    hi, i for one think this country is in a mess. lokk at all the people on the dole, some of them want to work but cant cos they are in awkward positions. some of them if they did work, would be worse off than they were on the dole.
    what ever happened to the brittish car industry??? it is slowly disapering, cos the tax is too fecking high on parts/ equipment so they have to put their prices up on products. upon doing this everyone realises that they can get a better car for cheaper frop abroad. mainly france.

    look at rover, bust. couldn,t keep up with the trends. while vw and other popular car producers were making little hatch backs ( which everyone wanted) rover and other brittish car manufacturers were still churning out boring/ bland granny cars.

    compare this country to any other country in the EU. we are driving french/german/japanese cars. while ther countrys drive their own cars. helping put the money back into the country.

    the NHS wot a mess. waiting lists as long as your arm.

    all the big companys are closing down/ going abroad cos they just cant cope.

    one day this country "great" britain is going to come to its fu&king senses and realise what a state its in.
    i hope im around to see it. tho i prob wont be living in the u.k when it happens.

    this country is in serious debt and all we can do is give our money away. dont get me wrong, there are some good causes out there. but shouldn,t we take care of out self,s rather than give millions/ billions to other countrys????

    i am thankfull for everything i have and never take it for granted and feel sorry for anyone living in poverty. but one day we might end up in poverty ourself,s.

    sorry if i sound rude/ arrogant, im not trying to sound like this.
    im just telling everyone my opinion.

    i would like some views/ opinions on this if you please.
    thanx. dave :confused:
    I don't think you sound rude or arrogant, but even if you did, you are still entitled to act like that

    But anyway, I think you are wrong in your summation of the UK.

    You mention unemployment and people on the dole as a problem. While it would be nice to not have any worries about unemployed people, the few we do have are very small. Unemployment is officailly at a very long term low. The number of people on the dole is much lower than it has been(think of the number of people who are on the dole now...10/15 years ago I would have been able o name many people who my parents knew who were on the dole back then. Now I hardly ever hear of anyone on it. It is the smae picture in nearly every part of the country.

    You also mention the car industry and the economy and compare it to other EU countries.
    While it is a great shame that the UK car industry has gone into decline the last couple of decades one has to realise that industries and economies are not static and do change enormously. Holding onto something just because it's tradition when it is unable to support itself it worse than simply letting go. Industries in the UK have come and gone over our history. Sadly it looks like the car industry is next. But we will continue as a nation. We are bigger than any single industry we have. The past has proven this.

    And as compared to Germany and France etc, they may be driving theri own cars, but they can't do much else and probably can't afford new cars. Their economy is a complete shambless compared to the UK. Growth is virtually non-existent and unemployment is growing and growing.

    And our debt is not as bad as you make out. Certainly other large countries are in worse debt than us (when adjusted fo different population and economy sizes). Italy is the prime example of a country which is in serious debt, Spain also and the US. If I remember rightly from some sort of graph and figures in The Times a few weeks ago, the UK debt, while growing, is growing at a slower rate than the debt of many other large European countries.

    As for the NHS, it is improving. It would be nice to beable to see a doctor at the hosptial at the first convenient time for you that is possible, but that is in an ideal world and this isn't an idel world. Therefore we should expect a short waiting time. However, I do agree that some of the length of times some people have to wait on average are way too long, but the figures do show for just about every type of operation or procedure that waiting lists have stopped growing and are showing significant reduction.

    On all these issues certain newspapers do like to pick up on exceptions to the general rule as evidence that things are terrible across the board( good news doesn't really sell papaers does it?) Certain politicians also like to pick up on this sort of thing (mostly those in opposition I guess...)like with that poor woman who needed an operation (on her shoulder?) that the Tories picked up on a few months back. Yes is seemed bad that she'd had her operation cancelled 7 times, but if you looked closely, then you saw than many times her operation was canncelled due to unforeseen emergancies. I doubt anyone would begrudge the cancelling of an operation in order to give someone emergancy healthcare.

    But generally, I don't think the country is in that bad a shape. I read in the newspaper this morning that the number of teenage pregnacies has seen a reduction over the last 7 years from abu 49 per 1000 teenage girls to 43. It's a small reduction, but at least it's a step in the right direction and a change from many years of it increasing.

    Everyday there are small stories in most newspapers about how this is improving or how that is going well. Unfortunatley these stories don't make the headlines as they wouldn't help sell the paper by shocking people. As a result they 'good' stories are relegated to side columnsa and bottoms of pges where few people read about them
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    (Original post by objectivism)
    The UK is a mess thanks to labour. If only Thatcher was still PM.
    How can you say things would be better under Thatcher? (except for the rich) Even if you disagree with some of their policies, you must admit that Labour have done a lot of good for the country since 1997.
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    Where are you now?
    East. St.Louis......even more of a pissoire.........
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    (Original post by Dougie)
    How can you say things would be better under Thatcher? (except for the rich) Even if you disagree with some of their policies, you must admit that Labour have done a lot of good for the country since 1997.

    No overall labour have been a disaster and things will get worse. We need Thatcher back, so we can crush the unions a bit more, privatise soooo much of the public sector, sack thousands of pen pushers and really fight the EU socialists.
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    (Original post by Dougie)
    How can you say things would be better under Thatcher? (except for the rich) Even if you disagree with some of their policies, you must admit that Labour have done a lot of good for the country since 1997.


    Well i would disagree with you there,. I personally think Labour have done nothing but damage to this country. A failing and inefficient NHS, a costly and unreliable system of public transportation, degradation of education levels, increase in government bureaucracy and stealth taxes is what this government have achieved. Furthermore it seems to me like Tony Blair also wants to create his own totalitarian state- Id cards and not protesting outside Parliament, to name but a few examples.

    We have only seen economic prosperous in this and the previous decade because of Marget Thatcher's government. However this will not last if Blair and Brown continue to govern this country
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    I do know that the NHS is in a lot of mess since my mother is a nurse and works for the NHS. She tells me about the problems of the system and lots of debts in the hospital. Somehow, I think UK is in a big problem... and it has got to be sorted out before it can get any worse.

    I think other countries in the world are also experiencing problems like these.
 
 
 

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