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Reply 1
You need to use the product rule and chain rule.

If I write V=13πr(t)2h(t)V = \frac{1}{3} \pi r(t)^2 h(t) to emphasise that r and h are functions of t, does that help?
Reply 2
Sorry if you read my last post - I misread the question.
Reply 3
DFranklin
You need to use the product rule and chain rule.

If I write V=13πr(t)2h(t)V = \frac{1}{3} \pi r(t)^2 h(t) to emphasise that r and h are functions of t, does that help?


Is it sort of implicitly differentiating?- r's and h's in terms of t?
Reply 4
Do you know what the product rule and chain rule are?
Reply 5
DFranklin
Do you know what the product rule and chain rule are?


Yes, I do.
Reply 6
OK. Suppose we have the formula V=13F(t)G(t)V = \frac{1}{3} F(t)G(t). What is dV/dt?

Edit: actually, maybe it is "sort of implicitly differentiating?- r's and h's in terms of t?". I'm not really sure what you meant - you might have meant the right thing.
Reply 7
Wait - I think I got it- Ill have things in terms of r,r',h and h'
Reply 8
DFranklin
OK. Suppose we have the formula V=13F(t)G(t)V = \frac{1}{3} F(t)G(t). What is dV/dt?

Edit: actually, maybe it is "sort of implicitly differentiating?- r's and h's in terms of t?". I'm not really sure what you meant - you might have meant the right thing.


Should I get something like

Unparseable latex formula:

\frac{dV}{dt}= 1/3 \pi r^2 \frac{dh}{dt} + h 2{\frac {dr}{dt}

Reply 9
nk9230
Should I get something like

Unparseable latex formula:

\frac{dV}{dt}= 1/3 \pi r^2 \frac{dh}{dt} + h 2{\frac {dr}{dt}


Almost.

Think about what the derivative of r^2 is with respect to t - it's not
Unparseable latex formula:

2{\frac {dr}{dt}

.

Letting u=r2u=r^2 may help.

Also, 13π\frac{1}{3}\pi should be in front of both terms.
Almost. The 13π\frac{1}{3}\pi applies to both the dh/dt and dr/dt terms (which is probably a typo on your part). But you also haven't differentiated r^2 correctly.
Reply 11
notnek
Almost.

Think about what the derivative of r^2 is with respect to t - it's not
Unparseable latex formula:

2{\frac {dr}{dt}

.

Letting u=r2u=r^2 may help.

Also, 13π\frac{1}{3}\pi should be in front of both terms.


I found that error- it should be 2rdrdt 2r \frac {dr}{dt}
nk9230
I found that error- it should be 2rdrdt 2r \frac {dr}{dt}
Yup.

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