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Ooragnak
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[q1]> Is this group still active?[/q1]
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I have only just subscribed and would like to know the answer to
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Martin Nicholso
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[q1]>[/q1]
[q2]>> Is this group still active?[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q1]>I have only just subscribed and would like to know the answer to[/q1]
[q1]>that one also[/q1]
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[q1]>Tony Ryan[/q1]
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Yes but it is a busy time of year and quite a few of the regular posters
from the past have left teaching.

There used to be several FE staff around but they too seem to
have vanished.

Martin Nicholson, Daventry, UK

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Liz Hanson
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[q1]>Martin[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q2]>> There used to be several FE staff around[/q2]
[q1]>but they too seem to have[/q1]
[q2]>> vanished.[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>Still around but busy.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>John[/q1]
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[q1]>[/q1]
And how! Greetings to all, but ... marking waits.
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John Tissandier
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Martin

[q1]> There used to be several FE staff around but they too seem to have[/q1]
[q1]> vanished.[/q1]

Still around but busy.

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Lawrence Milbou
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[q1]> Martin[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q2]> > There used to be several FE staff around but they too seem to have[/q2]
[q2]> > vanished.[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Still around but busy.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> John[/q1]

I'm here but too knackered to contribute.

Lawrence

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Liz Hanson
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[q1]>Am very pleased that I have found a lively group and I do understand[/q1]
[q1]>how many are feeling post-Christmas. I hope to exchange many messages[/q1]
[q1]>with you all in the future.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>Tony Ryan[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]

Indeed - welcome. Which part of 16plus education are you in? I am in FE,
mostly computing/IT (ND/A-level/HNC). I usually manage to keep my head
above water (by working at least one day at the weekend), but marking
really gets me down (the responsibility, the students who cannot read a
list of performance criteria, the students who cannot be bothered to
print out listings, the students...
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Martin Nicholso
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[q1]>In article <[email protected] om>, Tony Ryan[/q1]
[q1]><[email protected] .co.uk> writes[/q1]
[q2]>>Am very pleased that I have found a lively group and I do understand[/q2]
[q2]>>how many are feeling post-Christmas. I hope to exchange many messages[/q2]
[q2]>>with you all in the future.[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q2]>>Tony Ryan[/q2]
[q2]>>[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>Indeed - welcome. Which part of 16plus education are you in? I am in[/q1]
[q1]>FE, mostly computing/IT (ND/A-level/HNC). I usually manage to keep my[/q1]
[q1]>head above water (by working at least one day at the weekend), but[/q1]
[q1]>marking really gets me down (the responsibility, the students who[/q1]
[q1]>cannot read a list of performance criteria, the students who cannot be[/q1]
[q1]>bothered to print out listings, the students...[/q1]

Hello folks, I'm back.

22 years in post-16 but at present teaching ICT in a 11-18 school.

Martin Nicholson, Daventry, UK

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Liz Hanson
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[q1]>Sorry to admit it, but I am not in post-16 education, yet! Have had[/q1]
[q1]>experience in Aberdeen, but that was some time ago. Recently trtied to[/q1]
[q1]>become a secondary school teacher in Science, but the kids got me down[/q1]
[q1]>and so I walked out. Am currently on supply in Hull, and have an[/q1]
[q1]>application to send off to the College, and also have an application[/q1]
[q1]>fro a job in Manchester. Further details are available on request![/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>Tony Ryan[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]

This is depressing for me. My college is involved in "negotiations"
with a local secondary school and council, to create a joint "post 16"
facility, BUT with the possibility that we might be running some
classes for as young as 14. I'm guessing the 14s will be the ones that
are not welcome in the main 11-16 school. I can well imagine the kids
getting me down too!

So, Tony, check the plans for future collaborations before you
commit yourself.
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[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>There was a time when there was a clear difference between schools and[/q1]
[q1]>colleges, in that student did not have to attend by law and if they[/q1]
[q1]>were a nuisance they could be slung out. Now the orders are no- one is[/q1]
[q1]>to leave. It makes life a lot harder for the lecturers on the BTEC[/q1]
[q1]>First Diploma course in particular. What gets me though is that some of[/q1]
[q1]>these students have not handed in a single piece of work since[/q1]
[q1]>September and yet they keep coming in. Why? Can't they play with[/q1]
[q1]>computers & the Internet at home?![/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>John[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]

I know! We must sign up as many applicants as we can, because we get a
fee for each student in place in November, and then we must hang on to
them whatever because we get another fee in...February? Perhaps we can
invite them to leave then - the ones who have no hope of completing? Oh
no - we must nurse them along because they might just manage to complete
one or two units. Ack!

It is not so bad in the Section where I do most of my work - the section
head has a policy of always chasing/nagging/requiring the students to
work on Friday afternoon if they are behind. It is tough on all of us,
but it is productive - the assignments do appear! It takes an especially
keen section head to keep this up week after week (she is there with us,
monitoring which students turned up, phoning the missing, checking
criteria) - I have to admire her energy when I stagger home from yet
another "equaliser" session.
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Liz Hanson
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[q1]>But how do you get them to turn up on a Friday afternoon? The sort of[/q1]
[q1]>students I am thinking of don't turn up for ordinary lessons on a[/q1]
[q1]>Friday afternoon never mind the kind of catching up exercise you are[/q1]
[q1]>describing.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>John[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]

The section head (Ann) phones home right then, when they don't turn up.
If she speaks to the student, he gets a piece of her mind and an
appointment to meet her individually next week. If she speaks to Mum,
even better, because parents hate having college phone, so Mum or Dad
will be nagging all weekend. It works with most of our students. Of
course there are a few who just will not respond. When the mother gets
obviously despondent, Ann lets up, but that student is on thin ice. And
those who do respond are grateful for the nagging, because they get
their qualification.

I am no good at it personally, but I do admire Ann's persistence. She
tutors the first-year nationals herself, because nobody else can chase
them so effectively. (But the wonderful women who tutor the gnvq
intermediates come close.)
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Am very pleased that I have found a lively group and I do understand how
many are feeling post-Christmas. I hope to exchange many messages with
you all in the future.

Tony Ryan

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[q2]> >Indeed - welcome. Which part of 16plus education are you in? I am in[/q2]
FE,
[q2]> >mostly computing/IT (ND/A-level/HNC). I usually manage to keep my[/q2]
[q2]> >head above water (by working at least one day at the weekend), but[/q2]
[q2]> >marking[/q2]
really
[q2]> >gets me down (the responsibility, the students who cannot read a list[/q2]
[q2]> >of performance criteria, the students who cannot be bothered to print[/q2]
[q2]> >out listings, the students...[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Hello folks, I'm back.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> 22 years in post-16 but at present teaching ICT in a 11-18 school.[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> Martin Nicholson, Daventry, UK[/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> International Astronomical Union's Minor Planet Centre -[/q1]
[q1]> Observatory Code[/q1]
456

Sorry to admit it, but I am not in post-16 education, yet! Have had
experience in Aberdeen, but that was some time ago. Recently trtied to
become a secondary school teacher in Science, but the kids got me down
and so I walked out. Am currently on supply in Hull, and have an
application to send off to the College, and also have an application fro
a job in Manchester. Further details are available on request!

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[q2]> > Recently trtied to become a secondary school teacher in Science, but[/q2]
[q2]> > the kids got me down and so I walked out. Am currently on supply in[/q2]
[q2]> > Hull, and have an application to send off to the College, and also[/q2]
[q2]> > have an application fro a job in Manchester. Further details are[/q2]
[q2]> > available on request![/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >Tony Ryan[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q2]> >[/q2]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> This is depressing for me. My college is involved in[/q1]
[q1]> "negotiations" with[/q1]
a
[q1]> local secondary school and council, to create a joint "post 16"[/q1]
[q1]> facility,[/q1]
BUT
[q1]> with the possibility that we might be running some classes for as[/q1]
[q1]> young as[/q1]
14.
[q1]> I'm guessing the 14s will be the ones that are not welcome in the main[/q1]
11-16
[q1]> school. I can well imagine the kids getting me down too![/q1]
[q1]>[/q1]
[q1]> So, Tony, check the plans for future collaborations before you commit[/q1]
[q1]> yourself.[/q1]
[q1]> --[/q1]
[q1]> Liz Hanson[/q1]

Good advice and I will be monitoring the situation closely

Cheers!

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[q1]> This is depressing for me. My college is involved in "negotiations"[/q1]
[q1]> with a local secondary school and council, to create a joint "post 16"[/q1]
[q1]> facility, BUT with the possibility that we might be running some[/q1]
[q1]> classes for as young as 14. I'm guessing the 14s will be the ones that[/q1]
[q1]> are not welcome in the main 11-16 school. I can well imagine the kids[/q1]
[q1]> getting me down too![/q1]

There was a time when there was a clear difference between schools and
colleges, in that student did not have to attend by law and if they were
a nuisance they could be slung out. Now the orders are no-one is to
leave. It makes life a lot harder for the lecturers on the BTEC First
Diploma course in particular. What gets me though is that some of these
students have not handed in a single piece of work since September and
yet they keep coming in. Why? Can't they play with computers & the
Internet at home?!

John
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[q1]> It is not so bad in the Section where I do most of my work - the[/q1]
[q1]> section head has a policy of always chasing/nagging/requiring the[/q1]
[q1]> students to work on Friday afternoon if they are behind.[/q1]

But how do you get them to turn up on a Friday afternoon? The sort of
students I am thinking of don't turn up for ordinary lessons on a Friday
afternoon never mind the kind of catching up exercise you are
describing.

John
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