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    (Original post by TheVlad)
    yeah, and?
    Well you asked an opinion on specific cases of "im/morality". I gave you an answer in the above text.
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    (Original post by Chiron)
    Well you asked an opinion on specific cases of "im/morality". I gave you an answer in the above text.
    You say that every human being sonsiders it immoral to needlessly treat others differently.

    How then do you explain teh fact that slavery, and more recently the class structure, were considered perfectly acceptable in past societies?
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    (Original post by TheVlad)
    You say that every human being sonsiders it immoral to needlessly treat others differently.

    How then do you explain teh fact that slavery, and more recently the class structure, were considered perfectly acceptable in past societies?
    And still, in some societies.
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    Perhaps where it says "needlessly" it ought to say "without reason". They had a reason. The next step is to recognise that their reason was false.

    Or perhaps I should leave this the hell alone...
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    (Original post by Alewhey)
    Perhaps where it says "needlessly" it ought to say "without reason". They had a reason. The next step is to recognise that their reason was false.

    Or perhaps I should leave this the hell alone...
    Then we have nothing to be ashamed of or regret for there has always been a reason for everything.
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    (Original post by TheVlad)
    Then we have nothing to be ashamed of or regret for there has always been a reason for everything.
    Well, I can't say that I feel too ashamed about it. I can rationalise that I probably ought to, but... I just don't. Shame and guilt aren't really higher-functioning emotions, you can't just flick a mental switch and start feeling guilty about something. But I digress..

    The point is that our ancestors would still have known that murder and exploitation was wrong. They could rationalise it ("Look! They are darkie!") but would still know it was wrong - like I say, if for no other reason, then because the Bible says so.
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    (Original post by Chiron)
    Foundational values are those concepts or ideas which do not by themselves constitute any one theory but which should be considered as a prerequisite to most satisfactory normative theories. These values by themselves do not constitute a justification or defense of your position; that is done through the application of a normative ethical theory.

    Rationality: All legitimate moral acts must be supportable by generally accepted reasons.

    Least Harm: When you must choose between evils, choose the least evil.

    Consistency: Moral reasons, including moral actions, if they are valid, are binding on all people at all times in all places given the same relevant circumstances.

    Impartiality: This principle forbids us from treating one person different than another when there is not a good reason to do so. We set aside our personal interests.

    It is particularly the last point that makes Vienna's positions o wrong.
    Oh, which ones? That I would apply the same rationality and consistency to any other citizen of any other nation? I would consider that impartial.
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    (Original post by Alewhey)
    Well, I can't say that I feel too ashamed about it. I can rationalise that I probably ought to, but... I just don't. Shame and guilt aren't really higher-functioning emotions, you can't just flick a mental switch and start feeling guilty about something. But I digress..

    The point is that our ancestors would still have known that murder and exploitation was wrong. They could rationalise it ("Look! They are darkie!") but would still know it was wrong - like I say, if for no other reason, then because the Bible says so.
    Do you know that for a fact?

    Imagine that from your earliest childhood you were always told that black people were inferior. I imagine that you would actually believe it when you grow up. That is why the remains of the slavery culture in the south of the US or the caste system in India are so hard to get rid of.

    The bible, as any other religious text, has always been open to interpretation.
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    Er no I'm not ashamed I haven't done anything wrong, if my ancestors have that's their problem.
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    Funny how it's always the young tories in here that have no problem with colonisation.

    It's probably just a coincidence
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    (Original post by Alexdel)
    Funny how it's always the young tories in here that have no problem with colonisation.

    It's probably just a coincidence
    What do you want me to do about it, build a time machine and beg them not to?
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    (Original post by HearTheThunder)
    What do you want me to do about it, build a time machine and beg them not to?
    Sure why not..

    Btw your sig has just dissapeared :eek:
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    (Original post by Alexdel)
    Sure why not..

    Btw your sig has just dissapeared :eek:
    I think you're only allowed one per page for server load easing
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    (Original post by Alexdel)
    Funny how it's always the young tories in here that have no problem with colonisation.

    It's probably just a coincidence
    Its funny how the young tories are the ones pursuing history and political science.
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    Being ashamed or proud of what other people do is an asinine response. Far better to think about what you have done. Better still, think about what you are doing or are thinking of doing in the future.
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    Black people made white people slaves before we did it to them, and after slavery the empire did a lot of good in india and africa. All the races have a good and bad past, but its only the bad things that white people did that ever get rememberd in PC Britain.
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    (Original post by Alexdel)
    Funny how it's always the young tories in here that have no problem with colonisation.

    It's probably just a coincidence
    It tends to be the young socialists and liberals here who condemn the British Empire and all its doings without being aware of simple history. I suggest to you that the young tories on this forum study history and are aware of both the good and bad of colonisation. We have heard all too much of the evils of colonistation in the world and on this forum, now let us hear of the achievements of the British Empire.
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    Is it not possible to say that those europeans in the past were simply the fittest to survive, ie natural selection?
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    never appologise for being white!
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    (Original post by melbourne)
    Is it not possible to say that those europeans in the past were simply the fittest to survive, ie natural selection?
    I didnt know they had to survive in Africa and Asia...
 
 
 

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