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    (Original post by Zarathustra)
    Search for the recent thread on Newnham in this forum for a somewhat lengthy summation of the various pros and cons.
    They won't be easier to get into really, so if that's why you're doing it then don't bother. If you're crap and they have no better applicants because no-one wants to apply to the all-girls' colleges, this doesn't mean they'll take you - they'll just get better applicants from the pool. In fact, the Philos dos at Newnham told me that some years she just rejects all of her applicants if they're not up to standard and takes entirely from the pool: just because they might have less applicants doesn't mean they will accept a lower standard of candidate, as the oversubscribed colleges have to reject amazing people due just to lack of places and not lack of ability, so they can just have them.

    Read the Newnham thread anyway, if you actually want to go to one for other reasons; and I'm sure most of the stuff said there will apply equally to New Hall etc.

    Zarathustra.
    Yeah I always think it's a bit lame when you ask someone why they're applying to an all girls' college and they say blithely, "Well, no-one wants to go there so I'm bound to get in". No matter how starved of applicants a college might be it seems fairly obvious that no top uni is going to accept someone if they're just "not good enough". On t'other hand, the one way I'd say it could be seen as easier to get into a college with less applicants is that if you *are* a really able candidate. The Sidney Sussex arts admissions director told us that he has to reject people for history every year who were actually pretty similar to some of the people he accepted, and that at really oversubscribed colleges such as King's it's even worse (although I s'pose the pool helps).

    anyway

    I went to the open day yesterday, anyone else go? I looked at Corpus & King's (just for fun, knew I didn't want to apply there) and looked seriously at Newnham, Pembroke and Emma. Didn't like Emma very much, so as I'd already suspected it was between Newnham and Pembroke. My dilemma is that on paper, Newnham is by far the better choice: right next to the English faculty, fairly good rep for English, no guys to make it smell :p: (although in some ways I'd prefer mixed), tutors with some specialisations that interest me, lovely looking college with a nice atmosphere, less elitist maybe e.g. the random room ballot, fascinating history, good accommodation&library etcetc.

    But when I walked into Pembroke I was just stunned because it was so awestrikingly beautiful and the atmosphere was so great. I looked at the place and seriously, lame as it sounds, nearly started crying cos it was just so gorgeous :eek: and I'm not normally a sentimentalist over architecture and the like :rolleyes: In every practical sense, Newnham makes more sense - but Pembroke was where I got the kind of gut feeling. Anyone got any advice? :confused:
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    (Original post by *Bethany*)
    Yeah I always think it's a bit lame when you ask someone why they're applying to an all girls' college and they say blithely, "Well, no-one wants to go there so I'm bound to get in". No matter how starved of applicants a college might be it seems fairly obvious that no top uni is going to accept someone if they're just "not good enough". On t'other hand, the one way I'd say it could be seen as easier to get into a college with less applicants is that if you *are* a really able candidate. The Sidney Sussex arts admissions director told us that he has to reject people for history every year who were actually pretty similar to some of the people he accepted, and that at really oversubscribed colleges such as King's it's even worse (although I s'pose the pool helps).

    anyway

    I went to the open day yesterday, anyone else go? I looked at Corpus & King's (just for fun, knew I didn't want to apply there) and looked seriously at Newnham, Pembroke and Emma. Didn't like Emma very much, so as I'd already suspected it was between Newnham and Pembroke. My dilemma is that on paper, Newnham is by far the better choice: right next to the English faculty, fairly good rep for English, no guys to make it smell :p: (although in some ways I'd prefer mixed), tutors with some specialisations that interest me, lovely looking college with a nice atmosphere, less elitist maybe e.g. the random room ballot, fascinating history, good accommodation&library etcetc.

    But when I walked into Pembroke I was just stunned because it was so awestrikingly beautiful and the atmosphere was so great. I looked at the place and seriously, lame as it sounds, nearly started crying cos it was just so gorgeous :eek: and I'm not normally a sentimentalist over architecture and the like :rolleyes: In every practical sense, Newnham makes more sense - but Pembroke was where I got the kind of gut feeling. Anyone got any advice? :confused:

    Pembroke is very pretty! I think you should go with your gut feel.
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    (Original post by soonalvin)
    Pembroke is very pretty! I think you should go with your gut feel.
    thanks for the advice I just don't know though - I wonder if the only reason I felt less up about Newnham was because the guide showing me round seemed pretty unenthusiastic...sometimes something like that can colour your impression. Not that I disliked it - I thought it was really pretty and everything, but I think Pembroke is just the most beautiful building and gardens I've ever seen. Newnham would make a lot more sense though. Maybe I'll toss a coin...:rolleyes:
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    (Original post by *Bethany*)
    thanks for the advice I just don't know though - I wonder if the only reason I felt less up about Newnham was because the guide showing me round seemed pretty unenthusiastic...sometimes something like that can colour your impression. Not that I disliked it - I thought it was really pretty and everything, but I think Pembroke is just the most beautiful building and gardens I've ever seen. Newnham would make a lot more sense though. Maybe I'll toss a coin...:rolleyes:
    You're going to read English aren't you? Then isn't Newnham nearer to the sidgewick site? That's far more practical I guess. I am gonna choose Pembroke cos of its proximity to the science sites. That way I can wake up at 8.55 and be in time for lecture. lol.
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    (Original post by soonalvin)
    You're going to read English aren't you? Then isn't Newnham nearer to the sidgewick site? That's far more practical I guess. I am gonna choose Pembroke cos of its proximity to the science sites. That way I can wake up at 8.55 and be in time for lecture. lol.
    Exactly: just one of the many reasons Newnham makes sooo much more sense ... I am so bad at getting up on time and in on time in the mornings, it'd be great just to roll out of bed and be there.

    I shouldn't really get this involved in the whole process - I'll never get a place anyway oh well
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    (Original post by *Bethany*)
    Exactly: just one of the many reasons Newnham makes sooo much more sense ... I am so bad at getting up on time and in on time in the mornings, it'd be great just to roll out of bed and be there.

    I shouldn't really get this involved in the whole process - I'll never get a place anyway oh well
    Don't worry. Just go for it. I don't think I stand a good chance either. But it'd be so cool to study at Cambridge. Ain't it?
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    (Original post by *Bethany*)
    But when I walked into Pembroke I was just stunned because it was so awestrikingly beautiful and the atmosphere was so great. I looked at the place and seriously, lame as it sounds, nearly started crying cos it was just so gorgeous :eek: and I'm not normally a sentimentalist over architecture and the like :rolleyes: In every practical sense, Newnham makes more sense - but Pembroke was where I got the kind of gut feeling. Anyone got any advice? :confused:
    Go to Pembroke

    Seriously, it can't be that far away from Sidgwick, and falling in love with a place is a much better reason to live there for three years than because it's "practical" :p:

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    (Original post by *Bethany*)
    Exactly: just one of the many reasons Newnham makes sooo much more sense ... I am so bad at getting up on time and in on time in the mornings, it'd be great just to roll out of bed and be there.

    I shouldn't really get this involved in the whole process - I'll never get a place anyway oh well
    apply to pembroke...improve your timekeeping!
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    Sounds as though Pembroke has chosen you. And it's really not far from the English Faculty anyway...
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    (Original post by *Bethany*)
    Exactly: just one of the many reasons Newnham makes sooo much more sense ... I am so bad at getting up on time and in on time in the mornings, it'd be great just to roll out of bed and be there.
    Pembroke is a fair bit more convenient for town, though, and I think that's an important consideration. As an English student, you might end up in Sainsbury's as often as you do in lectures. I don't say that from a dismissive pov, more from what I've heard about English lectures, which often apparently provide background rather than specifically relevant content, and therefore are often legitimately skipped.
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    Well... I might just mull it over for a while... I have got a few months to decide. My mum asked if I wanted to go back on the Newnham open day to help me to decide, but it costs an absolute fortune to get there and I don't want to waste all this money (we have a really low income) on obsessing between 2 colleges of a university I probably won't get a place at anyway! Surely everyone thinks Pembroke's gorgeous though - it was the only one that was really beautiful without feeling aloof. I spose that is actually a really subjective thing though.

    The other thing is, although I swore I'd never let statistics put me off anything, Pembroke seems to be the most popular college for English and stresses how high quality its applicants are - apparently there's more like 6 people per place. My GCSEs aren't that fantastic, I don't know how my AS levels will turn out and although I really do love my subject and feel I could come across well talking about it, I'm sure this will be true for every applicant... So when there are 2 colleges both of which you feel well suited to, is there any point in applying to the one you're positive you won't get into and oppose to the one at which you think you might just stand a chance?

    I'm not saying it's "easier" to get into Newnham as such - just that at Pembroke, if that many of the top English applicants apply they're going to have to turn away people who are good, and won't necessarily pool all of them. (besides which I wouldn't want to be pooled)

    thanks for all your help, sorry I keep blabbing on Although I knew it had one of my 3 favourite courses, I just didn't realise quite how gorgeous Cambridge colleges and accomodation were compared to all the other universities I've now seen.
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    (Original post by *Bethany*)
    Well... I might just mull it over for a while... I have got a few months to decide. My mum asked if I wanted to go back on the Newnham open day to help me to decide, but it costs an absolute fortune to get there and I don't want to waste all this money (we have a really low income) on obsessing between 2 colleges of a university I probably won't get a place at anyway! Surely everyone thinks Pembroke's gorgeous though - it was the only one that was really beautiful without feeling aloof. I spose that is actually a really subjective thing though.

    The other thing is, although I swore I'd never let statistics put me off anything, Pembroke seems to be the most popular college for English and stresses how high quality its applicants are - apparently there's more like 6 people per place. My GCSEs aren't that fantastic, I don't know how my AS levels will turn out and although I really do love my subject and feel I could come across well talking about it, I'm sure this will be true for every applicant... So when there are 2 colleges both of which you feel well suited to, is there any point in applying to the one you're positive you won't get into and oppose to the one at which you think you might just stand a chance?

    I'm not saying it's "easier" to get into Newnham as such - just that at Pembroke, if that many of the top English applicants apply they're going to have to turn away people who are good, and won't necessarily pool all of them. (besides which I wouldn't want to be pooled)

    thanks for all your help, sorry I keep blabbing on Although I knew it had one of my 3 favourite courses, I just didn't realise quite how gorgeous Cambridge colleges and accomodation were compared to all the other universities I've now seen.
    Yes!!! Cambridge is just so pretty (not including ugly 60s monstrosities). I was mulling over Selwyn and Pembroke a moment ago. But I decided that since I am quite lazy, I'd rather choose Pembroke so that I don't have to travel far. Plus, it's great to be in the middle of town.
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    (Original post by soonalvin)
    Yes!!! Cambridge is just so pretty (not including ugly 60s monstrosities). I was mulling over Selwyn and Pembroke a moment ago. But I decided that since I am quite lazy, I'd rather choose Pembroke so that I don't have to travel far. Plus, it's great to be in the middle of town.
    Good choice what subject are you applying for?

    Exactly - I looked at York (which has my favourite course) and it was nice, but looks-wise just didn't begin to match up to Cambridge. They're my two favourite universities, followed by Durham, Leeds and Edinburgh - which reminds me, Durham is a very pretty uni
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    (Original post by *Bethany*)
    Good choice what subject are you applying for?

    Exactly - I looked at York (which has my favourite course) and it was nice, but looks-wise just didn't begin to match up to Cambridge. They're my two favourite universities, followed by Durham, Leeds and Edinburgh - which reminds me, Durham is a very pretty uni
    I am applying for Natsci (bio). What are you UCAS choices?
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    (Original post by soonalvin)
    I am applying for Natsci (bio). What are you UCAS choices?
    Oo sounds interesting I loved Biology GCSE but don't think I could've handled some of the A level work. Speaking of which there's one girl in my college thinking of applying to Cambridge for Biology despite the fact she hasn't done Chemistry (or Maths) :confused: and doesn't seem to like the subject all that much - her other AS's are Pyschology, Sociology and P.E. Don't know why I decided to share that but hey!

    Mine are: York, Leeds, Edinburgh, Birmingham, Durham. you?
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    (Original post by *Bethany*)
    Oo sounds interesting I loved Biology GCSE but don't think I could've handled some of the A level work. Speaking of which there's one girl in my college thinking of applying to Cambridge for Biology despite the fact she hasn't done Chemistry (or Maths) :confused: and doesn't seem to like the subject all that much - her other AS's are Pyschology, Sociology and P.E. Don't know why I decided to share that but hey!

    Mine are: York, Leeds, Edinburgh, Birmingham, Durham. you?
    hmm. I am choosing: Cambridge, Imperial, UCL, KCL and RHUL
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    (Original post by Ticki)
    I'm sure you were all expecting me to say this and I'd hate to disappoint.

    Fortunately, most women don't experience this problem, but for those that do it can be a very upsetting experience and it can have a profound affect on their studies. In these situations I believe the problem is not so much that women are intimidated necessarily, but more that men are likely to dominate discussion. This is a proven fact acknowledged by several faculties.

    The general discrepencies between male and female performance in arts and sciences is that science answers are right or wrong, whereas arts performance depends more heavily on style. Traditionally, the male style has been the one used as a template for the marking system at Cambridge. I'd also highlight the Maths Faculty as a problem area, because it remains a strict patriarchy (there are VERY few women either employed or accepted for study) which results in women underachieving academically because, within the faculty, there is a lack of empathy for their potentially differing method of study.

    I don't mean to hijack this thread into another debate about feminism, I'm just bringing the facts to your attention as they were brought to my attention in my capacity as WU Women's Academic Performance Officer. They're not my opinion, so please don't attack me for this post.

    [/feminist rant]
    Ticki, is it true that this is particularly common in History? I'm really, really scared.
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    Ticki, is it true that this is particularly common in History? I'm really, really scared.
    Eek! Don't be scared! The issue is being dealt with and there is a joint committee on academic performance which has highlighted the underperformance of women (and other groups) and is working to correct it.

    Sadly, History is indeed one of the worst offenders. Generally you have to "write like a man" to get a 1. That said, I'm an historian and I don't think it's difficult to get a 2.i. You certainly shouldn't get a 2.ii on the basis of your style.

    My experience is that the public schoolboys dominated Themes and Sources seminars (admittedly we just let them get on with it because the classes were ridiculously large/long/boring) but most historians have one on one supervisions so they aren't a problem. If your supervisor is particularly bad with women you'll know very quickly and should be able to ask for another. I think the best thing to do is to tell your supervisor from the outset that you are aiming for a 1, so they'll do all they can to help you get that. Supervisors may otherwise assume you're happy with a 2.i and not really flag up areas you need to work on to get a 1.

    If you're really worried about it, I can send you some information when you get here. There's no need to be though! Sadly the most recent WU publication on women's academic performance includes such gems as, "read some of your male friends' work and emulate their style" :mad: which goes right against my feminist principles, but you may find it useful advice. I've got other stuff about history specifically too. There's also a really helpful course called the Springboard Programme which the university runs for women, so you might want to go on one of them. You sound like an intelligent and assertive person though so you have no real need to worry!!!
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    (Original post by Ticki)
    Eek! Don't be scared! The issue is being dealt with and there is a joint committee on academic performance which has highlighted the underperformance of women (and other groups) and is working to correct it.

    Sadly, History is indeed one of the worst offenders. Generally you have to "write like a man" to get a 1. That said, I'm an historian and I don't think it's difficult to get a 2.i. You certainly shouldn't get a 2.ii on the basis of your style.

    My experience is that the public schoolboys dominated Themes and Sources seminars (admittedly we just let them get on with it because the classes were ridiculously large/long/boring) but most historians have one on one supervisions so they aren't a problem. If your supervisor is particularly bad with women you'll know very quickly and should be able to ask for another. I think the best thing to do is to tell your supervisor from the outset that you are aiming for a 1, so they'll do all they can to help you get that. Supervisors may otherwise assume you're happy with a 2.i and not really flag up areas you need to work on to get a 1.

    If you're really worried about it, I can send you some information when you get here. There's no need to be though! Sadly the most recent WU publication on women's academic performance includes such gems as, "read some of your male friends' work and emulate their style" :mad: which goes right against my feminist principles, but you may find it useful advice. I've got other stuff about history specifically too. There's also a really helpful course called the Springboard Programme which the university runs for women, so you might want to go on one of them. You sound like an intelligent and assertive person though so you have no real need to worry!!!
    Am vaguely concerned that if I said to a supervisor "I'm aiming for a first" which has always been my dream (sad I know), they'd say to me, "Rhi, you have ideas above your station."
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    (Original post by xx_ambellina_xx)
    Am vaguely concerned that if I said to a supervisor "I'm aiming for a first" which has always been my dream (sad I know), they'd say to me, "Rhi, you have ideas above your station."
    Then get another supervisor. You've got 2 years to work on Part 1, and another year to work on Part 2. Unless they say that JUST before your exams, they're totally unjustified. The University wants as many people to get firsts as possible, so if you say from the outset that this is your goal they can only support you.
 
 
 

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