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    Although the favourite, David Davis is not yet the Conservative Party leader. However, the BBC have wasted no time in making subtle attacks on him. I watched a report on BBC News 24 last night and it went like this:

    First of all the viewer was told that Davis opponents call him "arrogant and agressive" but his supporters "admire his self-belief". I think our BBC reporter is saying the same thing two ways there, as was his intention in the tone of his voice.

    Then we were shown a clip of Davis' speech about lower taxation. This was then juxtaposed with a 20yr old speech made by Davis refering to benefits being a disincentive to work. So our BBC friend is telling us lower taxes mean cuts in benefits.

    Finally, the venue of Davis' speech was termed "elitist" and apparently this shows Davis has moved himself away from his "council estate roots". Here our BBC friend tries to neutralise Davis' potential appeal to the working-class.

    I'm being cynical I know. However, it got me thinking...

    When the Conservatives get back into power, will they disband/privatise the BBC?
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    Doesn't matter who the Conservatives make as leader, they have absolutely no chance of forming the next government. Blair's supposed (in the eyes of some) mistake over Iraq is now being slowly taken away with his work with Gordy at the G8. Similarily, Brown is undoubtedly more popular than any Conservative leadership challengers and when he takes over as Leader of New Labour, his work at stablising the economy (from the time of the Tories) and his fight to Make Poverty History, it will ensure Labour once more secure a handsone victory.

    As for the BBC, the Conservatives would attempt to privitise anything they could get their friggin hands on, including the NHS if it would not damage them with the electorate. As for this report, well if Davis did make that speech 20years ago and now he says he wants to lower taxes, and from the last Conservative manifesto we have no idea how he is going to do that, then a cut in benefits would probably be the case. Similarily, I'd expect a Tory government to cut benefits, given their view on the economy which sometimes verges on being immoral.
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    Woodsy, if your predictions of the future really are accurate enough to fling around so confidently, perhaps you should become a muttering mad fortune-teller - good business, I've heard.

    Oractular silliness aside, the real issue at hand (BBC bias) is quite a dilemma. The BBC is an institution with quite a nice and long history, good back catalogue, with a lot of (shrinking) world-wide respect, so it would be a shame to kill it off.

    The BBC bias isn't surprising really, since it recruits its staff mainly from the chosen rag of all left-wing/socialists, sociologists and Marxist-Feminist dictatorial civil servants: the Guardian. Once that aspect has been sorted out, perhaps a multipartisan monitoring body should be given the reigns.

    I don't think it should be privitised, but I do think that the license revenues should be availible to private businesses, the same way I suspect arts funding is dished out.
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    (Original post by John82)
    Although the favourite, David Davis is not yet the Conservative Party leader. However, the BBC have wasted no time in making subtle attacks on him. I watched a report on BBC News 24 last night and it went like this:

    First of all the viewer was told that Davis opponents call him "arrogant and agressive" but his supporters "admire his self-belief". I think our BBC reporter is saying the same thing two ways there, as was his intention in the tone of his voice.

    Then we were shown a clip of Davis' speech about lower taxation. This was then juxtaposed with a 20yr old speech made by Davis refering to benefits being a disincentive to work. So our BBC friend is telling us lower taxes mean cuts in benefits.

    Finally, the venue of Davis' speech was termed "elitist" and apparently this shows Davis has moved himself away from his "council estate roots". Here our BBC friend tries to neutralise Davis' potential appeal to the working-class.

    I'm being cynical I know. However, it got me thinking...

    When the Conservatives get back into power, will they disband/privatise the BBC?
    Hopefully and very possibly, which is why the BBC have fallen off the edge of the journalistic map.
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    (Original post by Vienna)
    Hopefully and very possibly, which is why the BBC have fallen off the edge of the journalistic map.
    What authority do you have on that?
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    (Original post by Vienna)
    Hopefully and very possibly, which is why the BBC have fallen off the edge of the journalistic map.
    Nope, but hopefully a serious look at the left bias. BBC is still great for all but news and comment. Nat. hist, music, arts...
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    (Original post by John82)
    Although the favourite, David Davis is not yet the Conservative Party leader. However, the BBC have wasted no time in making subtle attacks on him. I watched a report on BBC News 24 last night and it went like this:

    First of all the viewer was told that Davis opponents call him "arrogant and agressive" but his supporters "admire his self-belief". I think our BBC reporter is saying the same thing two ways there, as was his intention in the tone of his voice.

    Then we were shown a clip of Davis' speech about lower taxation. This was then juxtaposed with a 20yr old speech made by Davis refering to benefits being a disincentive to work. So our BBC friend is telling us lower taxes mean cuts in benefits.

    Finally, the venue of Davis' speech was termed "elitist" and apparently this shows Davis has moved himself away from his "council estate roots". Here our BBC friend tries to neutralise Davis' potential appeal to the working-class.

    I'm being cynical I know. However, it got me thinking...
    One could easily have a very different view of that particular report (which I saw as well). Bias is far too easy to see if you are looking for it.

    I suggest you post more concrete examples of BBC bias against the conservatives for which to base your argument upon.
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    (Original post by ChemistBoy)
    One could easily have a very different view of that particular report (which I saw as well). Bias is far too easy to see if you are looking for it.

    I suggest you post more concrete examples of BBC bias against the conservatives for which to base your argument upon.
    Well, there were the thugs the BBC had following around Tory campaign busses hired to hurl abuse during the election. Could you ever imagine an article called "New Labour Nuclear Waste Sites Revealed"? The way that any time a conservative member is accused of wrongdoing, they are referred to as a "Tory", yet other party members simply get described as an MP (assuming it isn't ignored). There was the research by the Centre of Policy Studies recently. Lots of other documented cases here.
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    (Original post by JonD)
    Well, there were the thugs the BBC had following around Tory campaign busses hired to hurl abuse during the election.
    Got to have some proof for that one!!

    Could you ever imagine an article about "Labour Nuclear Waste"? The way that any time a conservative member is accused of wrongdoing, they get their own "Tory [insert]" article; yet other party members simply get "MP". There was the research by the Centre of Policy Studies recently. Lots of other documented cases here.
    What I can imagine is irrelevant. As far as I am aware the article you have specifically quoted addresses an important point in how the government, past and present, handles nuclear waste disposal.

    The BBC Bias website seems to involve lots of selective quoting, which makes me indicate that the person doing it is not exactly unbiased themselves. and I quote:

    That's why the BBC remains a gift to the moonbat left, singing an incoherent lullaby of appeasement.
    That really makes me want to take them seriously!

    Which brings me nicely onto the Centre of Policy Studies report, of course this is an unbiased and objective report from an independant body with no overall political affiliation. Oh no, it is from a conservative think tank - credibility out of the window there then.
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    Got to have some proof for that one!!
    The Torygraph reported it. Of course, they cannot be trusted. :rolleyes:

    What I can imagine is irrelevant. As far as I am aware the article you have specifically quoted addresses an important point in how the government, past and present, handles nuclear waste disposal.
    Please explain to me what it has to do with party politics.

    The BBC Bias website seems to involve lots of selective quoting, which makes me indicate that the person doing it is not exactly unbiased themselves. and I quote:

    That really makes me want to take them seriously!
    How very, very observant of you! A website that allows victims of state propaganda to pool their cases is AGAINST the BBC! Wow.. only, they are not a government institution that makes lieful claims of impartiality, but quite often conservatives offended by state-funded propaganda that has absolutely no accountability to anyone but other government ministers. Of course, I'd like you to actually make a proper attempt of dismissing the articles, perhaps making use of their comments box (there for a reason).

    Which brings me nicely onto the Centre of Policy Studies report, of course this is an unbiased and objective report from an independant body with no overall political affiliation. Oh no, it is from a conservative think tank - credibility out of the window there then.
    So by your reasoning, all conservative think tanks are (1) Biased (2) Unobjective (3) Do what their masters tell them? Perhaps you'd like to actually read the actual article, and give me an example of where these failings crop up.
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    (Original post by JonD)
    The Torygraph reported it. Of course, they cannot be trusted. :rolleyes:
    The hecklers did disrupt Lib Dem campaign runs as well. I guess it's much harder to get close to members of government than opposition leaders. Of course if the BBC gives me a microphone that automatically means they are responsible for what I do with it...

    Please explain to me what it has to do with party politics.
    Were these plans drafted by a conservative government or not?

    How very, very observant of you! A website that allows victims of state propaganda to pool their cases is AGAINST the BBC! Wow.. only, they are not a government institution that makes lieful claims of impartiality, but quite often conservatives offended by state-funded propaganda that has absolutely no accountability to anyone but other government ministers. Of course, I'd like you to actually make a proper attempt of dismissing the articles, perhaps making use of their comments box (there for a reason).
    Easy, with quotes like I posted, "bastion of the moonbat left"? How can any reasonable person take criticisms like that seriously?

    So by your reasoning, all conservative think tanks are (1) Biased (2) Unobjective (3) Do what their masters tell them? Perhaps you'd like to actually read the actual article, and give me an example of where these failings crop up.
    Yes for the 1st two. No-one is unbiased and I don't think that the CPS can have massive amount objectivity considering they are so closely shacked up with the conservative party. I think I have legitimate reason to question their impartiality and independance.
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    Davis' performance in parliament, in response to today's tragic attacks, was very commendable. As was Blair's up in Scotland, I thought.
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    (Original post by thebucketwoman)
    Davis' performance in parliament, in response to today's tragic attacks, was very commendable. As was Blair's up in Scotland, I thought.
    I saw Blair at Gleneagles and I thought that he was very good. I haven't seen the reactions in Parliament, but I'll have a look tonight.
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    The BBC is a great source of journalism and is not biased against the Tories. By all accounts, David Davis is arrogant, but then many arrogant people have been very successful. Of course, Davis wont be cos the tories have no hope.
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    (Original post by ChemistBoy)
    The hecklers did disrupt Lib Dem campaign runs as well. I guess it's much harder to get close to members of government than opposition leaders. Of course if the BBC gives me a microphone that automatically means they are responsible for what I do with it...
    Oh really? I thought you'd never heard of this, please produce a source. Well, for whatever reason, the Lib Dems never made it into the version I saw. The BBC hired people to harass a Tory campaign, therefore they are responsible for that harassment as much as a gangster that orders a hit.
    Were these plans drafted by a conservative government or not?
    That is ancient history as far as party politics are concerned. Why is the name of the ruling party decades ago relevant unless you wish to dirty the name of that party in the present? It would be difficult for me to measure for you, so I suggest you simply keep an eye out yourself, but watch for the double standard of injecting the word “Tory” into any bad news where an equally disparaging term, such as “Blairite”, or even the neutral “Labour” would not be present if it related to a different group.

    Of course, you also have to wonder why there's a selective use of pejorative slang terms; I doubt they'd ever write an article referring to people as “Queers” or “Niggers”.
    Easy, with quotes like I posted, "bastion of the moonbat left"? How can any reasonable person take criticisms like that seriously?
    That wasn't what the article was about, it was a closing comment, so it's irrelevant when discussing the integrity of that particular article. Anything wrong with the actual content of the article?

    Anyway, the actual "bastion of the moonbat left" comment is pretty well justified; most staff are recruited from the Guardian (Monbiot follower = Moonbat) and there's overwhelming evidence that the preferences and prejudices of that newspaper are prevalent in the BBC as a result; from lamenting Yasser Arafat's death to “fair trade 4 kidz”. Then you have to consider that the Guardian would probably go under if it wasn't receiving such huge advertising revenues from the BBC and other government bureaus, which is a whole different point to consider.
    Yes for the 1st two. No-one is unbiased and I don't think that the CPS can have massive amount objectivity considering they are so closely shacked up with the conservative party. I think I have legitimate reason to question their impartiality and independance.
    So unless, in your mind, Conservatives are an utterly evil exception, it is fair to stretch that to every other think tank, every newspaper, every special interest group – none of which are truly independent. By your own claims, no article, written by anyone, can ever be trusted, which sort of forfeits your ability to ever have another debate here again; I'll be sure to remind you next time you cite a source.

    Also, you may need to look up the term "objectivity", because it's something anyone is capable of, no matter who their drinking buddies are. After that, you can show some yourself and read the CPS study and honestly tell me how they failed to be.
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    (Original post by Pepaim)
    The BBC is a great source of journalism and is not biased against the Tories. By all accounts, David Davis is arrogant, but then many arrogant people have been very successful. Of course, Davis wont be cos the tories have no hope.
    No hope of forming the next government? Well we'll have to wait and see but the Conservatives will be back in power once the people are truely sick and tired of the Labour government and a confident that a Conservative government can deliver. Don't think that memories of the last Conservative government will remain forever, afterall its over 8 years now that there was a Conservative living in 10 Downing Street. You are very confident and self-assured in your predictions. I would like to see the look on your face if the Tories win the next election.
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    Echoing thebucketwoman it was a good speech today by Davis. I think the real heroes today are not the politicians, but the people of London and the emergency services. I'm now worried about any quick, jumpy action by the Government concerning the whole Islamic terrorism issue.
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    (Original post by FarnhamBoy)
    I think the real heroes today are not the politicians, but the people of London and the emergency services. .
    Very much agree, our emergency services were truely amazing today. And the people of London flocking together and remaining calm is what's going to get us through this.
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    (Original post by FarnhamBoy)
    Echoing thebucketwoman it was a good speech today by Davis. I think the real heroes today are not the politicians, but the people of London and the emergency services. I'm now worried about any quick, jumpy action by the Government concerning the whole Islamic terrorism issue.
    Like introducing ID cards. There have already been worrying noises from the government, like Charles Clarke saying that the attacks could not be predicted because one has to strike a balance between intelligence and civil liberties. This implies that civil liberties stand in the way of saving people's lives.

    I find this deeply worrying.
 
 
 

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