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    probably Iran, if Iran doesnt stop their nuclear programme.
    They couldn't invade Iran. They'd be slaughtered and condemned and overthrown.

    Easiest way to spot an anti-Semite: when a person equates Jews with Israelis.
    Arab Israelis and Christian Palestinian Israelis do not have a history of taking advantage of their brethren.
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    Easiest way to spot a complete penis head - the terrorists who wanted to create israel had to remove the palestinians and the british, they were jewish thats the only identity they had at the time

    1.there was no such place as israel,
    2.no such thing as israeli's.

    I am more than aware that in any other context this statement is anti-semetic, BUT i assume you know what your talking about so what would you call the people that wanted to create israel !!!

    [quote]If Israel was "assisting china with there[sic] military build up", I fail to see how that means the US Government is bieng wielded by Israel as some sort of tool.[quote]

    at one point israel was chinas biggest arms supplier !!!

    France, Russia and Britain have all recently sold military technology to the Chinese, yet no sign of sanctions placed upon them. Israelis, on the other hand, have sold physical hardware, and as a result had sanctions placed upon it by the US less than a year ago.
    this was because israel was selling them everything so they said whats the point in sanctions !!

    e to ask someone else about this because I'm not certain, but I don't think the US cared much for Israel until 20 years ago, when it became in the best interests of the US. I wonder where thes "well organised, well funded" lobbies that secretly run the US were in any number of wars Israel fought more than two decades ago.
    i think your lack of knowledge on the subject has shown through here the USA was the first country to recognise israel and president truman against the advice of congress went ahead !!! since 1956 israel has been a major liability to the US and a major drain on the american tax payer

    If you think the recent US invasions in the middle east were ordered by Israel, what are their objectives?
    LOL there are a million reasons for whatever but the bottom line is that israel is a major liability to the US

    p.s forgot to add whats great is that china and iran are aligned and israel and china are aligned thus china buys US military from israel, china then sells US military equip to all its friends thus iran has the latest US military hardware.
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    (Original post by Northumbrian)
    Arab Israelis and Christian Palestinian Israelis do not have a history of taking advantage of their brethren.
    And what about Druze Israelis?
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    quite the opposite before the jews wanted to create there own country, mulims,jews and christians lived happily side by side !!
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    Except the occasional massacre the Ottomans committed against their Christian and Jewish subjects of course; I'm sure they didn't object to being considered second-class citizens either since that meant they didn't have to serve in the army
    Are we going back to old stuff that happened in a different century again? I think I'll claim Iraq back for Persia, after all we did have it 2000 years ago :rolleyes:

    And what about Druze Israelis?
    About 3% of the population? And they lived there before. They didn't come and take the country. They are religiously bound to live under the laws of any country they are in too.
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    If I hated Jews I would come out and say it. I am not a meek person. If I was a national socialist I would join the BNP.

    I do not equate Israelis with Jews. I may equate Israeli settlers with Jews or refer to the original influx from the mid 20th century as Jews, because they are. Simple as that. Get out of your convenient paranoia before people realise its quite useful for you.
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    i think bismarck (ironic name) seems to be labelling anyone who disagrees with certain things as anti-semtic !!
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    (Original post by bashment)
    i think bismarck (ironic name) seems to be labelling anyone who disagrees with certain things as anti-semtic !!
    You're not calling all Germans anti-Semites, are you?
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    this was because israel was selling them everything so they said whats the point in sanctions !!
    I haven't a clue what you're trying to say. The flow of the argument has gone:
    You: Israel “uses” US to do its “dirty work”
    Me: Examples?
    You: US lets Israel sell arms to China, but nobody else
    Me: In actuality, Israel has sanctions placed upon it for selling arms to China, whereas France, Britain and Russia do not.
    You: “this was because israel was selling them everything so they said whats the point in sanctions !!”
    Me: Huh?

    i think your lack of knowledge on the subject has shown through here the USA was the first country to recognise israel and president truman against the advice of congress went ahead !!! since 1956 israel has been a major liability to the US and a major drain on the american tax payer
    Is it possible that congress was worried it could encourage tensions in the region, which would be against their own interests? If this is the case, it reminds me of one of the occasions the US acted against Israel, in the Suez Canal Crisis - an incident that suggests these Jewish lobbies don't control the US as much as you believe, I'm sure there have been others.

    According to Wikipedia, the US had an arms-sale embargo upon Israel until 1962, and the first military aid of any kind didn't arrive until 1972 when the Soviet Union began to support the invading Egyptians. It seems Israel only began to get preferential treatment once it became a player in the Cold War, and then no more than other small states and Contras. Do you disagree with this, if so, why?
    LOL there are a million reasons for whatever but the bottom line is that israel is a major liability to the US
    Ah, I see.. a million reasons, you don't have all day to type a million lines, and I most likely wouldn't understand anyway :rolleyes:. To come to your conclusion you must have justification, which you can lay out clearly for all to see.. unless, perhaps your justification is bieng a victim of propaganda and bad genes. Again:

    If the US is acting purely on Israels behalf, and not for its own, then what does Israel have to gain from ordering the invasion of Iraq? Are oil pipelines being redirected to Israel? What use is that dustbowl of Afganistan? I really do want you to explain your reasoning properly, at the moment it just looks like a modern trendy version of the old Jewish banker conspiracy theories.
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    Are the Druze who took Palestinian land also Jews? How about the Greek Orthodox Church, which has more land in Israel than any other non-government entity?
    What race are the Druze? Most consider themselves Arabs. Syrian Druze in the Golan Heights refuse to recognise Israel and take Syrian citizenship.Minus Golan Druze, the Druze population of Israelis just 84000, or 1.3%, less than the approximate figure I estimated from the CIA 'other' percentage. To dredge up a tiny community of people, who weren't involved in the initial influx of refugees, because some of them had links to Jewish groups during the pre-war riots and to use this to back up your point is poor. I do not equate Jews to IsraelisBut they are JEWISH settlements and it was a JEWISH influx and there has been JEWISH immigration.
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    Doubt that they will invade another country again however if the approval ratings for the republicans go down I wouldnt be surprised if some new terror group appears and it's based in Iran.
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    (Original post by Alexdel)
    Doubt that they will invade another country again however if the approval ratings for the republicans go down I wouldnt be surprised if some new terror group appears and it's based in Iran.
    Maybe the first time I've agreed with you, Iraq being the new 51st state the more uppity countries in the region will probably play ball.

    Any defiance would be followed "coincidentally" by the emergence of a new threat, or a terror attack from the uppity towel heads in question.

    Or were you being sarcastic?
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    (Original post by ArthurOliver)
    Maybe the first time I've agreed with you, Iraq being the new 51st state the more uppity countries in the region will probably play ball.

    Any defiance would be followed "coincidentally" by the emergence of a new threat, or a terror attack from the uppity towel heads in question.

    Or were you being sarcastic?
    When have you ever heard me being sarcastic...

    oh I just did

    p.s I was serious of course .
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    If the Iraqi economy catches off, the US won't need to deal with the other Middle-Eastern countries.
    exactly
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    Is it possible that congress was worried it could encourage tensions in the region, which would be against their own interests? If this is the case, it reminds me of one of the occasions the US acted against Israel, in the Suez Canal Crisis - an incident that suggests these Jewish lobbies don't control the US as much as you believe, I'm sure there have been others.
    and what the worst thing about it was that israel was refusing to do anything even though france, britain and israel crushed egypt when they invaded. france and britiain withdrew no problem but when it came to israel it was far from easy!!!!

    According to Wikipedia, the US had an arms-sale embargo upon Israel until 1962, and the first military aid of any kind didn't arrive until 1972 when the Soviet Union began to support the invading Egyptians. It seems Israel only began to get preferential treatment once it became a player in the Cold War, and then no more than other small states and Contras. Do you disagree with this, if so, why?
    there is no point in trying to fill the gaps in your knowledge, but surely the condemnation of the entire internaional community, countless UN resolutions she ignores and continued disregard for human rights shows that something isnt right !!!

    Ah, I see.. a million reasons, you don't have all day to type a million lines, and I most likely wouldn't understand anyway . To come to your conclusion you must have justification, which you can lay out clearly for all to see.. unless, perhaps your justification is bieng a victim of propaganda and bad genes. Again:

    If the US is acting purely on Israels behalf, and not for its own, then what does Israel have to gain from ordering the invasion of Iraq? Are oil pipelines being redirected to Israel? What use is that dustbowl of Afganistan? I really do want you to explain your reasoning properly, at the moment it just looks like a modern trendy version of the old Jewish banker conspiracy theories
    this is going no where but the fact still remains that israel is a major liability to the US !!!
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    and what the worst thing about it was that israel was refusing to do anything even though france, britain and israel crushed egypt when they invaded. france and britiain withdrew no problem but when it came to israel it was far from easy!!!!
    First of all, France and Britain did not withdraw “no problem”. In the end, the US had to threaten financial action that would have resulted in the collapse of the British economy. Perhaps the US did no such thing with Israel or France because it only needed to take one power out of the picture to achieve its objective. Which brings me to the point that the US wasn't involved for some moral reason as you seem to imply, but because an Arab uprising could damage their oil supply – hence, it was working in its own interests, not Israels.
    there is no point in trying to fill the gaps in your knowledge, but surely the condemnation of the entire internaional community, countless UN resolutions she ignores and continued disregard for human rights shows that something isnt right !!!
    So because the US is not guaranteed to condemn Israel, it must be a puppet of Israel? Sorry, but this is a very loose theory; have you considered that the US sides with Israel -again- because it is in its best interests?
    this is going no were but the fact still remains that israel is a major liability to the US !!!
    For once, I agree with you: This is going nowhere. I ask you again to explain to me the gains to Israel of the invasions of Iraq and Afganistan, and explain to me what “this was because israel was selling them everything so they said whats the point in sanctions !!” means. In what way is Israel a liability – the taxpayers bill, the threat to national security, or what?

    If you can't back up your crazy claims, people wont regard you as anything more than a big blubbering arse with a bad case of verbal flatulence.
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    For once, I agree with you: This is going nowhere. I ask you again to explain to me the gains to Israel of the invasions of Iraq and Afganistan, and explain to me what
    i refuse to play your silly little games stop being plain stupid the gains are obvious.

    “this was because israel was selling them everything so they said whats the point in sanctions !!” means. In what way is Israel a liability – the taxpayers bill, the threat to national security, or what?
    israel has sold china the latest US hardware. So its illogical to expect europe to abide by the restrictions on military sales when israel is openly breaking them.

    Israel is a major liability to the US.
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    Saudi Arabia will prob not be attacked because it would seriously affect the oil market and also Bush jr and daddy Bush are too close to the Saudis.

    Not sure if Bush can politically go to war again as in trouble over Iraq which is strange as its died down a bit for Blair. I just hope this London attack doesn't cause another war with anyone.
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    (Original post by bashment)
    i refuse to play your silly little games stop being plain stupid the gains are obvious.
    I'm not playing “silly little games”, rather, I'm trying my hardest to get my head around your silly little claims. If the benefits to Israel of the Iraqi and Afganistan invasions are obvious, why don't you answer the bloody question already and say what they are?

    israel has sold china the latest US hardware. So its illogical to expect europe to abide by the restrictions on military sales when israel is openly breaking them.
    What? It's really that simple? So if Israel started gassing Kurds, France and Britain would join in too? You seem to be ignorant of what these “restrictions” are and are not: the Tiananmen embargoes were placed upon EU and US companies by the EU and the US governments; Israel was never any part of such a thing, so it isn't breaking any rules. I suspect that France's recent efforts to lift the embargo lay in the prospect that money can be made, not because it emulates the pretty much insignificant state of Israel.

    Israel is a major liability to the US.
    So Israel is a major liability to the US because Israel is a major liability to the US.. Now I understand.. you're mad or something
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    The USA don't have the resources to hit anyone else.
 
 
 
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