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    Does anyone know what time the 2 mins silence is tomorrow? is it 8:50 or midday?
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    (Original post by HearTheThunder)
    Does anyone know what time the 2 mins silence is tomorrow? is it 8:50 or midday?
    midday
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    (Original post by Bezza)
    :eek: and I thought I was close to the action being about 30mins from aylesbury! It's a bit scary all the luton/aylesbury stuff seeing as I went through both of them last thursday evening
    Turns out that one of the bombers was involved with a property on my street! :eek: I'm still in shock :eek:
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    I dunno if something else happened today because British Rail was closed down at finsbury park for a while due to a security alert.
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    On another note, my house is in a police-protected, closed-off zone. I had to be escorted down the street by a policeman today. Bunches of people are hanging around the barrier. It's seriously strange! (Not a complaint, before anyone swears at me :rolleyes: )
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    is it on hyde park road?
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    (Original post by Herleif Arkadios)
    is it on hyde park road?
    Nope.. Aylesbury
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    (Original post by F. Poste)
    Nope.. Aylesbury
    Oh, yeah. I should have guessed that from your location actually :rolleyes:
    I was sure something was going on there though... :confused:
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    I've just read that the explosive used was Acetone Peroxide (very dangerous to make, but very easy to do so, and incredibly powerful). I'm into a bit of pyrotechnics, and sometimes make this. I was horrified at how easily I was able to obtain the chemicals needed - they are basically totally unrestricted, and only 3 chemicals are needed, all easily obtainable. Now, if the government started to restrict these chemicals, then there would surely be a reduced risk? I know it'd still be possible to make an explosive, but it'd be a lot harder. All of the worst terrorist bombs have been made from readily obtainable materials (like Ammonium Nitrate), so it's time we started to restrict who we sell the chemicals to. I'm a 17 year old student, and can get all the chemicals and info needed to build a bomb like the terrorists used quite easily, and that isn't right.
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    There's a whole list! practically every main city in england. thats what they said on sky news anyway
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    (Original post by SyncMaster_770)
    I've just read that the explosive used was Acetone Peroxide (very dangerous to make, but very easy to do so, and incredibly powerful). I'm into a bit of pyrotechnics, and sometimes make this. I was horrified at how easily I was able to obtain the chemicals needed - they are basically totally unrestricted, and only 3 chemicals are needed, all easily obtainable. Now, if the government started to restrict these chemicals, then there would surely be a reduced risk? I know it'd still be possible to make an explosive, but it'd be a lot harder. All of the worst terrorist bombs have been made from readily obtainable materials (like Ammonium Nitrate), so it's time we started to restrict who we sell the chemicals to. I'm a 17 year old student, and can get all the chemicals and info needed to build a bomb like the terrorists used quite easily, and that isn't right.
    Aren't those chemicals found in household susbstances like cleaning products? I don't think that banning domestos would go down very well with the public.
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    (Original post by TheVlad)
    Aren't those chemicals found in household susbstances like cleaning products? I don't think that banning domestos would go down very well with the public.
    Not in a high enough concentration to make anything particularly dangerous I don't think. The only 'off the shelf' product that the terrorists would have needed would be nail varnish remover (acetone). The other chemicals required would need to come from chemical suppliers, and my point is that these suppliers are willing to supply to almost anyone, with little or no questions asked, and that's what worries me. I bought all the chemicals I needed, and when they asked what I was using them for, I just told them that I was a chemistry student, and they were more than happy to supply them. With the ease of availibility of the chemicals, and the fact that Google will tell you how to make a bomb, is it any wonder the terrorists find it relatively easy to make devastating explosives? Anyone can find out how to make a bomb, and anyone can get the chemicals they need - surely we need to do something about that?
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    (Original post by SyncMaster_770)
    Not in a high enough concentration to make anything particularly dangerous I don't think. The only 'off the shelf' product that the terrorists would have needed would be nail varnish remover (acetone). The other chemicals required would need to come from chemical suppliers, and my point is that these suppliers are willing to supply to almost anyone, with little or no questions asked, and that's what worries me. I bought all the chemicals I needed, and when they asked what I was using them for, I just told them that I was a chemistry student, and they were more than happy to supply them. With the ease of availibility of the chemicals, and the fact that Google will tell you how to make a bomb, is it any wonder the terrorists find it relatively easy to make devastating explosives? Anyone can find out how to make a bomb, and anyone can get the chemicals they need - surely we need to do something about that?
    The problem is that they'll always be able to find an alternative method to create their explosives. Apparently, a man with a Ph D. in chemical engineering was the one making the explosives. Obviously, he would be able to derive a reasonable excuse and the necessary paperwork to obtain any wide array of chemicals without suspicion.
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    this is scary. the guy with a PhD was studying at Leeds Met.
    apparently one of the bombers went to my high school :eek: :eek:

    i don't see why people are shocked that the bombers were British though - as if you nationality has anything to do with it. at least this proves that tough immigration/asylum laws wouldn't do anything to fight terrorism.

    even if you banned all the chemicals, explosives etc. in the world, you wouldn't actually solve the problem. there'll still be motive, and people willing to do this sort of stuff. if they had to go round physically punching everyone they would.
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    (Original post by sleepyeba)
    i don't see why people are shocked that the bombers were British though - as if you nationality has anything to do with it. at least this proves that tough immigration/asylum laws wouldn't do anything to fight terrorism.
    Well, it's the difference between having ONLY British citizens committing terrorist attacks or both British citizens AND foreigners committing terrorist attacks.
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    [QUOTE=sleepyeba]i don't see why people are shocked that the bombers were British though - as if you nationality has anything to do with it. at least this proves that tough immigration/asylum laws wouldn't do anything to fight terrorism.

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    Its not the nationality, it's the religion.
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    (Original post by sleepyeba)
    i don't see why people are shocked that the bombers were British though - as if you nationality has anything to do with it. at least this proves that tough immigration/asylum laws wouldn't do anything to fight terrorism.

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    Its not the nationality, it's the religion.

    Nope, it's not the religion, it's incitement by extremists. Islam doesn't say strap yourself to a rucksack of bombs and get on the tube. Just like Christianity doesn't say go wage a war (the Crusades?)... and countless other acts apparently for religious cause.

    (Have I got my history right?) my thoughts anyway.
 
 
 

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