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    (Original post by jamlan)
    erm, actually, yes there would. The remains of Saddam's government would come back to power and start all over again. Also, Islamic extremist still want to destroy the West, so they'll still be bombing us
    These extremists were created by US, and now US is trying to destroy them .. In afghanistan the extremists who were supported by USA, Britain, France, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Canada.. used to plant Bombs in Cinemas, Buses, Supermarkets and other public places every other day, to kill the innocent ppl and destablise the regime..
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    (Original post by che guevara)
    These extremists were created by US, and now US is trying to destroy them .. In afghanistan the extremists who were supported by USA, Britain, France, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Canada.. used to plant Bombs in Cinemas, Buses, Supermarkets and other public places every other day, to kill the innocent ppl and destablise the regime..
    That doesn't mean they'll stop when the foreign troops leave
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    (Original post by jamlan)
    That doesn't mean they'll stop when the foreign troops leave
    when the foreign troops left, who r they going to fight against?
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    (Original post by che guevara)
    when the foreign troops left, who r they going to fight against?
    The foreign troops are the ones that are keeping the current government in power. If they leave you'll have loads of different groups who think they're the best ones to run the country, the current regime, the insurgents (altho u could probably break them down into more groups as it's unlikely all of their ideals match exactly), the Kurds may want to break away, the Shi'ias in the south may not like being ruled by a Sunni government again. If the foreign troops leave, it's most likely that the insurgency will turn totally on the current government in Iraq. It already targets them anyway, but in addition to the foreign troops.
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    (Original post by jamlan)
    The foreign troops are the ones that are keeping the current government in power. If they leave you'll have loads of different groups who think they're the best ones to run the country, the current regime, the insurgents (altho u could probably break them down into more groups as it's unlikely all of their ideals match exactly), the Kurds may want to break away, the Shi'ias in the south may not like being ruled by a Sunni government again. If the foreign troops leave, it's most likely that the insurgency will turn totally on the current government in Iraq. It already targets them anyway, but in addition to the foreign troops.
    Iraq had Lots of problems, but saddam had kept all the problems under his feet.. when saddam's regime collapsed all these problems came out and now its really difficult to cope..

    USA's failed policy: USA used Saddam to kick Iran's ASS.. this time they wanted to Invade Iran through Iraq and Afghanistan, but who is in power now in Iraq? Shias.. the Sunni puppet prime Minister is gone .. now the shia government will definitely oppose any attack on Iran by US, Because Iran has the same importance to Shias as Saudi Arabia has for muslims.. and Britain will surely not commit the same mistake again by being the American ally..
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    (Original post by che guevara)
    Iraq had Lots of problems, but saddam had kept all the problems under his feet.. when saddam's regime collapsed all these problems came out and now its really difficult to cope..

    USA's failed policy: USA used Saddam to kick Iran's ASS.. this time they wanted to Invade Iran through Iraq and Afghanistan, but who is in power now in Iraq? Shias.. the Sunni puppet prime Minister is gone .. now the shia government will definitely oppose any attack on Iran by US, Because Iran has the same importance to Shias as Saudi Arabia has for muslims.. and Britain will surely not commit the same mistake again by being the American ally..
    That argument is against the Iraq war in the first place. Iraq is in a mess right now, whether it was necessary or right to make that mess is not the point of the argument. If the US, UK, Italy, Denmark etc... leave now, innocent people will still be killed in Iraq. There is a government in power now that is opposed by the insurgents. That government has a police force and an army (of sorts). The insurgents are gonna fight to end this government. Innocent people are gonna die in that conflict. The troops should stay until the army and police force are properly trained to defend themselves and their government
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    Also, Saddam kept all these problems under his feet by killing anyone who opposed him, ask the Kurds
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    (Original post by jamlan)
    That argument is against the Iraq war in the first place. Iraq is in a mess right now, whether it was necessary or right to make that mess is not the point of the argument. If the US, UK, Italy, Denmark etc... leave now, innocent people will still be killed in Iraq. There is a government in power now that is opposed by the insurgents. That government has a police force and an army (of sorts). The insurgents are gonna fight to end this government. Innocent people are gonna die in that conflict. The troops should stay until the army and police force are properly trained to defend themselves and their government
    U r right..These countries wont leave Iraq anyway, who is going to leave that much wealth (oil) behind ? and yeah the insurgents will never stop..
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    (Original post by che guevara)
    and yeah the insurgents will never stop..
    Not for a long time anyway
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    USA has already purchased land for around 12 permanent military bases in Iraq, so don't worry about them leaving anytime soon. It will take time for Iraq to become stabilised, 5 maybe 10 years. However long it takes it doesnt matter as long as we <us/uk and allies> don't leave prematurely or surrender iraq to the insurgency.

    The 'Top 5' Foreign Fighters killed in Iraq June 2003-June 2005

    Saudi Arabia: 165 (55%)
    Syria: 38 (12.7%)
    Kuwait 16 (5.3%)
    Jordan 14 (4.7%)
    Libya 11 (3.7%)
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    What i dont get, and i would like someone to explain to me, is why did they attack now? In the Madrid bombings, they did it before the elections in order for the government to change and put an anti-war governement instead. Why then in London's case, did the attack come after the general elections?
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    (Original post by Straight Talker)
    Oh yes! Of course it is going to be somebody English blowing up their own Country...what stupidity yourself :stupid:
    cos people blowing up their own country has never happened before has it. i can think of three with just thinking about it for a couple of seconds. may is uggest you do the same? secondly you missed the point of the statement, i.e. that collective punishment is absurd.
    to make it easier for you, if it was found to be christians that perpetrated the attacks (note the word if) would you advocate all of them to be chucked out? Actually, my original example was fine, if it was found to be english people (which isnt out of the realms of possibility, not sure why you find it so hard to comprehend..think of mcveigh, the russian terrorists of the nineteenth centrury which...you guessed it...blew up their own country, osama bin laden who has attacked sites in his own country, the Baader Meinhof group in Germany....i could go on) would you chuck them all out?
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    (Original post by Mr_Homosexual)
    tell you what, as there are british people who kill each other, rape each other, mame each other, an generally wreck each other's lives... why not deport all of them too???? oh, yeah, there wouldn't be a country left... if you deported everyone who belonged to a group which had an exteme minority, no-one woul be left!!!
    precisely! it is one of the most ridiculous repsonses to the attacks i have heard of.
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    (Original post by jamlan)
    which were all aimed at military targets, or what were thought to be military targets
    except the infrastructure targets such as sewage and water treatment facilities.
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    evidence that these were purposelly targetted ?
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    The security services had prior warning, why didn't they share it/act on it? link1 link2

    What was the 'power surge' story about?

    Is it looking as though one person acted alone, leaving bags on carriages, returning to K.C. each time, blowing himself up accidentally?

    (Original post by ArthurOliver)
    The security services had prior warning, why didn't they share it/act on it? link1 link2

    What was the 'power surge' story about?

    Is it looking as though one person acted alone, leaving bags on carriages, returning to K.C. each time, blowing himself up accidentally?
    i thought it was a bit suss how all were in vicintity of kings cross, however, some of the trains involved were travelling to kings cross at the time, others were travelling away. it makes little sense to your idea.

    plus, theres the fact they are now thinking the time frame is a lot tighter than previously thought - thats the bombs might have gone off with 15 minutes of each other not 30.
    [not sure why they dont know precise timing of explosions though!]
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    Yes would seem simple enough to find out when the explosions happened. :confused:
    I don't know how the tubes route, whether or not one person could have left bags with timed bombs...
    It will be interesting to see how much the media are controlled or complicit, whether there are serious questions asked about whether the sec. servs had tip offs.
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    (Original post by ArthurOliver)
    Yes would seem simple enough to find out when the explosions happened. :confused:
    I don't know how the tubes route, whether or not one person could have left bags with timed bombs...
    It will be interesting to see how much the media are controlled or complicit, whether there are serious questions asked about whether the sec. servs had tip offs.

    it is in the interest of the overall stability and psychological ways that they do not released full details immediately. This is to allow public to taking in and chew the bad news in small bits rather than one big chunk thrown at front of them which they find hard to swallow straight.

    Just like the bus blast they were not willing to tell more 2 people died until they couldn't delay the truth for longer, its to make people easier to take in what has happened, instead of making them too shocked.

    The strike in london was well timed as edinburgh were having G8 summit and shifted attention to there, and olympic victory further relaxed people in London. With no threats for awhile, it was perfect time for these extremist guerrillas to strike.....
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    (Original post by ArthurOliver)
    The security services had prior warning, why didn't they share it/act on it? link1 link2
    According to the articles, they did share, though there's no confirmation that this actually happened.
    We don't know how accurate the info that was passed on was. It may have been too vague or considered too unreliable to act on.
    (Original post by ArthurOliver)
    What was the 'power surge' story about?
    They've said that they released the power surge story so that people wouldn't panic. Unfortunately they didn't tell the power company to keep schtum! So it just resulted in confusion.
    (Original post by ArthurOliver)
    Is it looking as though one person acted alone, leaving bags on carriages, returning to K.C. each time, blowing himself up accidentally?
    As Rome has now said, it's not possible that it was one person acting alone. Even if it had been one person leaving the bombs, there would have to be a number of people to organise it.
 
 
 

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