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    (Original post by tis_me_lord)
    FFS!!!!

    Just because a goal came doesn't make it worse than if no goal came, what Eboue did was equal either way... are you only a cheater if it pays off now? If so Arsenal were worse, if not Barca were. Barca fouled more, just because it wasn't converted doesn't mean it's alright.
    look, the reality is, they won a free kick as a result of a dive and scored from it. Please adopt a sense of reality ok.

    And arguably it does make things worse, that a goal came from cheating, as if Campbell had missed his header, aimed it past the post rather than inside the post, justice would prevailed. As it happened, there was no justice in the process and result of arsenals goal. I'd rather see a game won legally than the antithesis. I'd hate it if a repeat of pele, hand of god proportions, settled a game in this summers world cup finals...that's cheating and so was eboues.
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    (Original post by Fafa~)
    Arsenal have nothing to complain about. Their only goal was a cheat, and were lucky the Guily goal was disallowed, when Eto'o was fouled. You can't win if you don't score. And let's face it, Barcelona could've scored 3 or so.

    It was all Barca, and Lehmann was rightly sent off. You can't have players like that playing. And you certainly can't use the excuse of a cheat like him being sent off.
    Arsenal could have scored 4....Henry wasted plenty of chances

    It doesn't matter how many you could have scored....
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    (Original post by white_haired_wizard)
    I'm afraid this sounds like sour grapes. Maybe if i supported arsenal i'd be the same but bringing a neutral take on the game, which i was, it was swings and roundabouts, and arsenal got a free kick, from a dive deco would have been proud of, and scored from it. And a goal is a big event/result, bigger than the cumulative effect of all these small, little, niggly fouls.
    Forget about sour grapes

    Marquez through the back of Henry - no card
    Henry wins the ball from the side - yellow
    Oliguer wins ball - yellow
    Oliguer fouls on the break twice - no card
    And thats just a few instances.
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    (Original post by Fafa~)
    I thought Almunia actually played really well..
    As I said, he did, but I thought that he could have done better for the goals. But can't blame the guy. He cmes in unexpectantly and plays well-can't knock him.

    Tomorrow, I will go out wearing my arsenal shirt with pride. The team played well and I am proud of them.
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    I think Eto'o's goal was offside
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    (Original post by Fafa~)
    Arsenal have nothing to complain about. Their only goal was a cheat, and were lucky the Guily goal was disallowed, when Eto'o was fouled. You can't win if you don't score. And let's face it, Barcelona could've scored 3 or so.

    It was all Barca, and Lehmann was rightly sent off. You can't have players like that playing. And you certainly can't use the excuse of a cheat like him being sent off.
    well i think u are taken it too far, they were lucky to got the free kick, but i wouldnt call it cheat.
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    (Original post by Fafa~)
    Arsenal have nothing to complain about. Their only goal was a cheat, and were lucky the Guily goal was disallowed, when Eto'o was fouled. You can't win if you don't score. And let's face it, Barcelona could've scored 3 or so.
    And so could arsenal have scored 3 more.
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    (Original post by white_haired_wizard)
    look, the reality is, they won a free kick as a result of a dive and scored from it. Please adopt a sense of reality ok
    You seem to have overlooked 99.9% of the match, now who doesn't have a sense of reality about this game?
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    (Original post by tis_me_lord)
    90 mins of that and I think they would be Champions of Europe even 1-0 down.
    Well that admires some confidence.

    Barcelona just scored with an 11 v 11 men situation, what makes you think they wouldn't of scored again? It was never a certainty, Arsenal were always looking to contain.
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    (Original post by w8wizz)
    well i think u are taken it too far, they were lucky to got the free kick, but i wouldnt call it cheat.
    You know, I swear that happens so often. It could have happened to Barca during one of their dives had it been in a similar area and they had scored.
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    (Original post by naivesincerity)
    I think Eto'o's goal was offside
    yea but it was so close like 2cm, cant really blame the ref for that.
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    (Original post by tis_me_lord)
    5% that matters isnt as bad as 95% that does. Ok, so Henry did a good cross to Campbell... does that make the dive worse than if no goal had come?

    11vs11 Arsenal looked better, and had some good chances. 90 mins of that and I think they would be Champions of Europe even 1-0 down.
    Look, we know the final score now. If you had won, you wouldnt be complaining about the Lehman decision. If Barca scored it would be 1-0, and create more space for Barca to hit them on the counter. Arsenal dont play well when they go behind - all the matches in the KO stage, they have been ahead. Remeber bayern last year, went behind and then crumbled.
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    (Original post by Thierry Henry)
    Henry insists that Swedish legend Henrik Larsson changed the game as he had a hand in both Barca goals.

    "People always talk about Ronaldinho, and everything but I didn't see him today - I saw Henrik Larsson," he said.

    "Two times he came on - he changed the game, that is what killed the game - sometimes you talk about Ronaldinho and Eto'o and people like that, you need to talk about the proper footballer who made the difference and that was Henrik Larsson tonight because I didn't see no Ronaldinho or no Eto'o or a proper referee also."
    I think thats spot on from Henry. Larsson helped change the game for Barca. It's a shame he is leaving them from what I have seen and heard the players and management where desperate for him to stay and I guess this is partly why. x
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    (Original post by tis_me_lord)
    You seem to have overlooked 99.9% of the match, now who doesn't have a sense of reality about this game?
    I've explained my perspective, it just so happens you don't agree with it.
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    (Original post by Sharpshooter)
    Well that admires some confidence.

    Barcelona just scored with an 11 v 11 men situation, what makes you think they wouldn't of scored again? It was never a certainty, Arsenal were always looking to contain.
    Arsenal had chances for themselves too prior to the goal that wasn't. Arsenal are very good attacking and 11 vs 11, I would have backed arsenal to equalise.
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    (Original post by Fafa~)
    Arsenal have nothing to complain about. Their only goal was a cheat, and were lucky the Guily goal was disallowed, when Eto'o was fouled. You can't win if you don't score. And let's face it, Barcelona could've scored 3 or so.

    It was all Barca, and Lehmann was rightly sent off. You can't have players like that playing. And you certainly can't use the excuse of a cheat like him being sent off.
    What about Etoo offisde for the 1st goal?

    'it was all barca' apart from the 3 or 4 decent chances we had opposed to not really any clear cut chances for barca?
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    (Original post by Xenon)
    You know, I swear that happens so often. It could have happened to Barca during one of their dives had it been in a similar area and they had scored.
    What a stupid point. Yes "could've" but Barca didnt, so its irrelevant.
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    Woah woah, when I said Barca could have scored three, I meant if Eto'o's shot went in instead of hitting the post.

    Remember, Barcelona did score 2.
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    (Original post by ba_ba1)
    Look, we know the final score now. If you had won, you wouldnt be complaining about the Lehman decision. If Barca scored it would be 1-0, and create more space for Barca to hit them on the counter. Arsenal dont play well when they go behind - all the matches in the KO stage, they have been ahead. Remeber bayern last year, went behind and then crumbled.
    Maybe we would have. The sending off ruined the game as a spectacle. I would have loved to have seen at least a 90 minute game 11 vs 11.
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    (Original post by Sharpshooter)
    Well that admires some confidence.

    Barcelona just scored with an 11 v 11 men situation, what makes you think they wouldn't of scored again? It was never a certainty, Arsenal were always looking to contain.
    Only 10vs11, when 11vs11 Arsenal were attacking and we had a game on to rival the FA cup final for attacking and free flowing football, one goal didn't matter to that. But then suddenly a man down vs best team in world who keep possession, killed the game off.
 
 
 
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