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    After watching the storyville program last night on BBC2, I wondered what everyones opinion was on the Cultural Revolution. For all those who dont know what Im on about, have a look at this site.
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    I watched most of it-it just seemed like a cycle of indoctrination and changing alliegances. That woman who reported her father out of a sense of duty to the state, and the way people were expected to forget those who were purged (a la 1984)-it really put a human perspective on the horrors of socialism for me, some thing you don't seem to get from learning about the USSR from a textbook.

    I must admit I still don't know alot about the Cultural Revolution.
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    Well, all I can say really is that fortunately they didnt manage to destroy verything from Imperial China - they had some beautiful stuff (especially at the Imperial Palaces, and the temples are gorgeous. It was all about re-education, quite ironic that Mao forbade anyone to challenge students who were rebelling, and the the incident at Ti'Anamen Square!
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    You will find people who say that the Cultural Revolution gave young people in China a sense of purpose and prevented juvenile delinquency. Beating people to death wasn't a crime if ChAirman Mao had ordered it. Whenever you compare crime rates from one country to another always count the crimes committed by the state. The results are often very different then.
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    Organized human madness and backwardness.

    In the west, the youth counter-culture smashed furniture. In China, the youth counter-culture roamed the countryside smashing up 2,000 year old temples. In a further attempt to wipe out the Old world, people were lynched by mobs because 20 years earlier their parents were found guilty of bieng shopkeepers.

    As many as 50 million died of starvation when their leader decided they would be better off making steel than food, the leader who denied what was happening even when it was obvious, and could have been stopped. In the end he blamed anyone but himself: the weather, subversive bourgeoise forces acting against the people, etc.

    The worrying thing is that the government system that allowed that, and the party responsible for all these things - and worse - is still in power. Now it's ideas are working, now that China is working, they are becoming powerful enough to enforce their will upon those outside of China. So all you Berlin wall lamenting lefties: Think twice before gushing the rise of a new superpower; make sure you'll be on the right side.
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    (Original post by JonD)
    So all you Berlin wall lamenting lefties: Think twice before gushing the rise of a new superpower; make sure you'll be on the right side.
    Directed to anyone in particular?
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    (Original post by deej2)
    Directed to anyone in particular?
    I don't keep records. Should I start?
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    (Original post by JonD)
    I don't keep records. Should I start?
    ...Needless to say, they exist here. Though many of them were probably influenced by the BBC, rather than their own love of communist dictatorship.
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    (Original post by JonD)
    ...Needless to say, they exist here. Though many of them were probably influenced by the BBC, rather than their own love of communist dictatorship.
    Fortunately we dont yet have a Communist party on TSR (do we?).
    Influenced by the BBC?
    Maybe you should make a list of TSR Communists - give it to the mafia for a bit of re-education!
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    (Original post by deej2)
    Fortunately we dont yet have a Communist party on TSR (do we?).
    Influenced by the BBC?
    Maybe you should make a list of TSR Communists - give it to the mafia for a bit of re-education!
    Yes, remember that jubilant bout of Sinophillia a few months ago? Mix it in with fashionable anti-Americanism and you have an army of people who just can't wait for China to civilize the world. Judging my your moronically weak attempt to ridicule me, I'm probably right in assuming you fit into that category.
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    I know! Why don't we start a TSR lynch mob to get all these commie-lefties. We can purge them from the site....oh wait-where have I heard that before :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by carldaman)
    I know! Why don't we start a TSR lynch mob to get all these commie-lefties. We can purge them from the site....oh wait-where have I heard that before :rolleyes:
    I wonder if the victims of Mao would find it funny if they heard your facetious comparison of passive, verbal criticism of dictatorship-apology to the murder of millions.
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    (Original post by JonD)
    Yes, remember that jubilant bout of Sinophillia a few months ago? Mix it in with fashionable anti-Americanism and you have an army of people who just can't wait for China to civilize the world. Judging my your moronically weak attempt to ridicule me, I'm probably right in assuming you fit into that category.
    Hold on-China is a very different country to the one who existed thirty, twenty, or even ten years ago. They've reluctantly accepted market reforms and the constitution has been altered to allow the ownership of private property. So, their human rights record is not great, but since you brought them up, neither is that of the United States.
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    (Original post by JonD)
    Yes, remember that jubilant bout of Sinophillia a few months ago? Mix it in with fashionable anti-Americanism and you have an army of people who just can't wait for China to civilize the world. Judging by your moronically weak attempt to ridicule me, I'm probably right in assuming you fit into that category.
    Ah yes, I remember that now - China Week on the BBC, was on just after I came back from China actually.
    Nope, Im not one of those who want China to civilise (UK Spelling) the world actually. I couldnt care much for Communism.
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    (Original post by carldaman)
    Hold on-China is a very different country to the one who existed thirty, twenty, or even ten years ago. They've reluctantly accepted market reforms and the constitution has been altered to allow the ownership of private property. So, their human rights record is not great, but since you brought them up, neither is that of the United States.
    That is true. The Chinese country is actually just as western in the cities as Manchester, London, New York. Just look at Shanghai.
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    (Original post by JonD)
    I wonder if the victims of Mao would find it funny if they heard your facetious comparison of passive, verbal criticism of dictatorship-apology to the murder of millions.
    I certainly found it funny that you would join the dots that way....I was making the point that you seem just as quick to want to vanquish left leaning sympathisers as the socialists wanted to eradicate capitalist roaders. I don't deny that the cultural revolution was horrific, but I think you missed the point that economically, and socially, China has moved on.
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    (Original post by deej2)
    Ah yes, I remember that now - China Week on the BBC, was on just after I came back from China actually.
    Nope, Im not one of those who want China to civilse (UK Spelling) the world actually. I couldnt care much for Communism.
    Then don't act like you have a guilty conscience.

    Though, once you run out of steam it usually isn't good to start work criticising my spelling. Of course, it might have had an affect if you didn't correct a matter of taste with a real mistake (a stupid one at that!). "Civilse" indeed.. I'll have to remember that one.
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    (Original post by JonD)
    Then don't act like you have a guilty conscience.

    Though, once you run out of steam it usually isn't good to start work criticising my spelling. Of course, it might have had an affect if you didn't correct a matter of taste with a real mistake (a stupid one at that!). "Civilse" indeed.. I'll have to remember that one.
    If the debate will get this petty I'm getting out of here. I have other things to do.
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    (Original post by JonD)
    Then don't act like you have a guilty conscience.
    Did I say anything to make it appear I had a guilty conscience?
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    (Original post by carldaman)
    I certainly found it funny that you would join the dots that way....I was making the point that you seem just as quick to want to vanquish left leaning sympathisers as the socialists wanted to eradicate capitalist roaders. I don't deny that the cultural revolution was horrific, but I think you missed the point that economically, and socially, China has moved on.
    I never made any suggestion of "vanquishing" them in the way you seem to have interpreted, it's you that jumped to conclusions.

    I thought the thread was about the Cultural Revolution, not how much progress China made after Mao was out of the way. I did say it is the same system of government run by the same party, who own the same press that it uses to brainwash the same people that still runs China. People who it is happy to beat, murder and rob. How good are laws if the government can break any of those whenever it feels like it? Economic growth won't excuse these things until it affords some democracy and accountability.
 
 
 
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