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    I've been on another planet in terms of political news recently - but, from what I've seen so far, he's an utter prat.

    I'll probably join after I've read up a little about what he's been up to.
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    (Original post by xx_ambellina_xx)
    but he has a right to say it, and it's good that he somewhat breaks the monotony of the two party system .
    Couldn't you say the same things about Nick Griffin? Doesn't mean we can't dislike him.
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    (Original post by thebucketwoman)
    Couldn't you say the same things about Nick Griffin? Doesn't mean we can't dislike him.
    Isn't it interesting though that threads about Galloway or the BNP have more legs than mainstream party politics? Frustration?
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    Before we start on the serious discussion of his politics, it's worth mentioning Galloway's wife divorced him for multiple adultery, and he has a taste for expensive cigars
    His personal life is personal. He likes the odd Havana cigar bought from poor people in Cuba. What's wrong with that?

    Galloway is a hypocrite and has many luxurious homes
    He has a constituency home in London. He is selling/has sold his former residence in Scotland. He has a villa in Portugal. He dedicated his whole life to politics and he is begrudged a holiday villa He pays all travel costs etc himself and employs twice as many staff as parliament pays for and pays for them too out of his own pocket.

    respect is dominated by hardline and sometimes anti democratic people
    You know, people never back this up with fact. Our resolutions are voted for democratically at conference, our national council is elected, all of our candidates are democratically selected etc. We are thoroughly democratic.

    But some of these explain pretty well what exactly is wrong with RESPECT

    http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/a...emonisation.php
    As with all anti-respect tirades this is bereft of substance. It states things without backing them up. It talks of a SWP-MAB-Galloway alliance. This suggests a narrow membership base. Where is the evidence? We have a very varied membership as I have seen countlesstimes myself.

    The above link says 'Respect do not publically use racism.' This suggests that privately we do. But againno evidence. Go to any anti-racism march and you will find RESPECT banners proudly flying.

    It claims we polarise ethnic and religious communities against us and mentiones Oswald Mosely's fascists. Why does it say how Jewish veterans of the anti-fascist street stand off in cable street in the 30's supported Galloway? Why does it not mention that we had Jewish candidates, Kurdish candidates, Tukish candidates, Bangla candidates, Pakistani candidates, Sikh candidates, Irish candidates, black candidates, white candidates as well as many women?

    You are using a passage from a BNP website to deride us? Good source. Hmm. :rolleyes:

    Aha yes, Johann Hari. I emailed him a refutation of these points but didn't receive a reply. I will do so seperately in another post.

    We're the ones fighting them in by-elections, and the party of choice of organisations such as Searchlight, UAF and ANL.
    Funny most UAF people I know are in RESPECT

    Whatever respect I had for George Galloway for taking on the US committe dissapeared when he said the london bombings were our own fault.
    He did NOT say this. This is a lie. Provide a source? George Galloway clearly said that the primary responsibility lays at the feet of the bombers.

    Not sure, is it? Maybe I'm wrong about them then.
    ANL was SWP dominated. UAF incorporates ANL but has also reached out to other anti nazi groups and individuals to form a broader organisation.

    Even in the case of respect/the swp it seems to be heading towards anti-semitism as well
    This is filthy lies. Have a look at pictures of bigils at desecrated Jewish graves in Manchester and Newham and you will see RESPECT banners. Mark Krantz our candidate in Stretford and Urmston is Jewish. Some Jewish members wrote into the independent to deny RESPECT involvement in antisemitic attacks during the election cabpaign. Some Jews like veteran anti fascists supported Galloway. RESPECT has marched sid by side with Jews on many occasions.
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    15 refutations of Haris scribbled allegations/questions

    (1) Do you believe Saddam Hussein's genocidal assaults on the Kurds, democrats and Marsh Arabs in 1991 were "a civil war with massive violence on both sides"?
    A twisted question. Galloway has never said that acts of genocide were a civil war. He said the acts of genecide (and he has condemned them) were parts of a wider civil war. The Kurdish Pesh Murgha attacked Iraq troops, they fough back. It was a civil war. Just like there was a civil war in some way between americans and native american indians. This doesn't excuse things like the Washita massacre though does it?

    (2) Would you go on holiday with the foreign minister of a fascist state?
    He didn't go on holiday with Tariq Aziz. He spent one Christmas at his home. Galloway obviously treats aziz in a different way to all other iraqi baathists for some reason. But he has always called the dictatorship asa whole 'bestial.'

    (3) Would you go disco dancing with the foreign minister of a fascist state?
    So when exactly was he supposed to have done this?

    (4) Would you call for the release of the former foreign minister of a fascist state on the grounds that he is "an eminent diplomatic and intellectual person"?
    Labour Members of Parliament have. Labour peers have. International dignatories have. Hans Von Sponeck of the UN has. They oobviously do not see Aziz as part of he mainstream evil of Saddam's regime and Galloway is not the only one as seemingly implied.

    (5) Do you believe Iraqi trade unionists today are "quislings"? Would you dismiss their tearful recollections of torture at the hands of Ba'athists by calling it "a party trick"?
    He and the StWC (organised biggest demos in UK history) described those trade unionists (most of whom are known primarily in Iraqi Politics for their membership of the Iraq Communist Party, as quislings as they collaborated with the occupiers and have little support among Iraqi workers. Many people the coalition have used are two faced traitors like Talebani who lament the loss suffered by their people, and then sell their people to the highest bidder. Also, the context of exactly who Galloway was talking about, is left out.

    (6) When told about Saddam Hussein's seven palaces in a country where people are "dropping like flies", would you respond by saying, "Our own head of state has a fair bit of real estate herself"?
    Saddam never saw the oil money. It was all controlled by the UN. He could not decide to buy more food if he wanted to. So he , in his boredom in between killing democrats, built some palaces. It had no impact on the lives of his people.

    (7) Do you believe Saddam Hussein is "likely to have been the leader in history who came closest to creating a truly Iraqi national identity, and he developed Iraq and the living, health, social and education standards of his own people"?
    Yes. He did create the first Iraqi national identity. He did create high living standards, a good health service, high literacy rates etc. This is a fact corroborated by UN stats. Does this excuse his acts of teror or cancel them out? No. And Galloway has never said so.

    (8) Do you believe Fidel Castro is "not a dictator, not at all"?
    He says this because he believe Castro is a popular leader. I would, to a large extent agree. Though I would call him a dictator and would like to see democratic evolution in Cuba, perhaps accelerated by the lifting of the embargo.

    (9) Do you believe the Charity Commission leads "politically inspired witch-hunts"? Do you think it is reasonable that the Mariam Appeal documents have never been handed over for investigation, and are somewhere in an undisclosed location in Jordan where they cannot be viewed?
    Yes. The Charity Commission of England and Wales shouldn't really beinvestigating political funds set up in Scotland and moved to Jordan. The Mariam Appeal was given a clear Bill of health and Galloway was cleared of all wrong doing. The CC had every penny in, in the form of a complete list of donations, as well as every penny out, with a complete set of bank statesments, cheques etc. What do accounts tell you that the aforementioned do not?

    (10) Do you believe Tony Blair is "waging war on Muslims both at home and abroad", that he is " a crusader", and "he will burn in the hellfires for all eternity"? If so, would you say so in areas of extreme racial tension to audiences of young and angry Muslim men?
    Tony Blair is waging war on muslims in Palestine Iraq and Afghanistan. His own minister said muslims should get used to being targetted by police. I do not think he will burn as I do not believe in heaven in hell, if I was a practicing Catholic like Galloway MP, I would agree with him. Why is Bethnal Green and Bow an area of racial tension? What unit is this measured in? Young muslims men were angry because of the war on muslims they can see all around them. Not because Galloway said so.

    (11) Do you believe the Shi'ites Saddam murdered in the 1980s were often "a fifth column" who "actively undermined the Iraqi war effort in the interests of
    their country's enemy"?
    If he's talking about Marsh Arabs then they actively worked with Britain (but this doesn't excuse their removal and suppression and Galloway ha never said so) If Hari is denying that many shias are close to Iran and that the Iranian regime worked with Iraqi traitors then he lives on anothe planet. Again, Hari fails to specify which shiites Galloway was talking about. Galloway is not ignorant and knows the diversity f the shia community in Iraq and would therefore be unlikely to describe them all as a fifth column.

    (12) Do you think it is "unreasonable" to ask a member of parliament to live on less than £150,000 a year?
    Another twist of Galloway's words. He said he could not FUNCTION IN POLITICS on less than 150k pa. This is because he pays for all his own ransport to events as well as his accomodation and he also employs twice the amount of staff parliament will pay for.

    (13) Would you describe yourself as "a Stalinist" if it didn't "make a rod for my own back"?
    More twisting. He did not say he was a Stalinistor imply he ever would in any context. The point he was making was that he supported the USSR during the stalin period as Tony Benn supports the Labour Party during the Blair period. Is Benn a Blairite?

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    14) Was the day the Soviet Union fell "the worst day of your life"?
    No, I disagree with him on this. I don't think State Capitalist Imperialism acting as a counterweight to liberal capitalist Imperialism is any better than allowing liberal capitalist imperialists a free reign.

    (15) When you found out there had been a coup in Pakistan, was your response to declare, "In poor third world countries like Pakistan, politics is too important to be left to petty squabbling politicians. Pakistan is always on the brink of breaking apart into its widely disparate components. Only the armed forces can really be counted on to hold such a country together ... Democracy is a means, not an end in itself"?
    Ever since it became clear that democracy was not on Musharrafs agends at all, Galloway has condemned the military dictatorship and continues to do so.


    More hastily cobbled together innaccurate, twisted filth which falls apart when scrutinised.

    And can people explain why they say RESPECT/SWP. If anyone can tell me how RESPECT is dominated by or is a front organisation for SWP I would be glad to prove them wrong.
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    [QUOTE=Tonight Matthew] I am sick of George Galloway, his rat like features, his demagoguery, and his party supporting the Iraqi insurgence. [QUOTE]

    I think he's great - a voice of reason in the wilderness!
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    (Original post by JonD)
    Isn't ANL a branch of SWP, which is a member of RESPECT?
    ANaL are not actually doing anything anymore they have disbanded and its members have joined up to UAF, but yes it was run by the SWP and they have a lot of say in UAF now as well. Some good news, searchlight have split from UAF you can see the BNPs view on this split here
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    (Original post by Northumbrian)
    RESPECT has marched sid by side with...on many occasions.
    Anybody who "Marches side by side" with anyone else should be ridiculed. Why do you types go in for all the militaristic terminology? What war are you fighting? What fascism? Where?

    I think you all just need girlfriends.
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    (Original post by Northumbrian)
    ANL was SWP dominated. UAF incorporates ANL but has also reached out to other anti nazi groups and individuals to form a broader organisation.
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    I'm not sure about ANL, all I know is that UAF and Searchlight are out recommending voters to choose Labour in the campaigns I'm involved in.
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    (Original post by ArthurOliver)
    Anybody who "Marches side by side" with anyone else should be ridiculed. Why do you types go in for all the militaristic terminology? What war are you fighting? What fascism? Where?
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    Don't feign ignorance...
    BNP are fascists, they are fighting elections.
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    I'm not sure about ANL, all I know is that UAF and Searchlight are out recommending voters to choose Labour in the campaigns I'm involved in.
    It's uncommon for them to back a particular party, but when the BNP has such a good chance of getting a large vote then it's the right thing to do. In Newcastle they just urged people to vote other than BNP/NF and I myself leafletted against them.
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    (Original post by Northumbrian)
    It's uncommon for them to back a particular party, but when the BNP has such a good chance of getting a large vote then it's the right thing to do. In Newcastle they just urged people to vote other than BNP/NF and I myself leafletted against them.
    Wow, you deserve a medal, are you one of them students with really long hair who carry anti-BNP lolly pop sticks, those types make me laugh my arse off.
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    No, I'm one of those students with a lot of allies who force Nazi marchers back where they came from.
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    I might set up a pro Galloway party, he may be outspoken but at least what he says isn't a load of pretentious ******** peddled by public schoolboy pricks.
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    (Original post by Margerie Dawes)
    I might set up a pro Galloway party, he may be outspoken but at least what he says isn't a load of pretentious ******** peddled by public schoolboy pricks.
    Sounds like a good idea to counter the 'opinions' of the media manipulated.

    I can see why he is referred to 'gorgeous George' - he has an animal magnetisim that transcends all age groups - sorry, all you lads!
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    (Original post by yawn)
    Sounds like a good idea to counter the 'opinions' of the media manipulated.
    Or a damn good way of getting the inappropriately patronising sufferers of Brain Bereavement to round themselves up where we can see them
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    I might set up a pro Galloway party, he may be outspoken but at least what he says isn't a load of pretentious ******** peddled by public schoolboy pricks.
    You could join the TSR RESPECT Party instead?
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    (Original post by Margerie Dawes)
    I might set up a pro Galloway party, he may be outspoken but at least what he says isn't a load of pretentious ******** peddled by public schoolboy pricks.
    As opposed to pretentious ******** peddled by champagne socialists?
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    How is he or anyone in RESPECT a champagne socialist? He's tee total for gawds sake!
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    (Original post by Northumbrian)
    How is he or anyone in RESPECT a champagne socialist? He's tee total for gawds sake!
    Do you even know what the term 'champagne socialist' means? Trying to refute the claim by saying "he's tee total" would suggest you don't.
 
 
 
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