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    (Original post by kingslaw)
    :rolleyes:
    If you read on, you will see that I list one of my reasons for starting this "society" as "his rat like features". Possibly hinting towards sarcasm, just slightly?

    Edit: I've also failed to add a couple of people who requested to join, and have made no attempt to actually get this added to any list of "official" societies or what have you.

    Trust me, it's just taking the urine.
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    If you read on, you will see that I list one of my reasons for starting this "society" as "his rat like features". Possibly hinting towards sarcasm, just slightly?
    He's been called a lot worse and been lied about in much worse terms than that. So don't be surprised when people take you seriously.
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    (Original post by Northumbrian)
    He's been called a lot worse and been lied about in much worse terms than that. So don't be surprised when people take you seriously.
    So, you're trying to tell me that people genuinely trying to make an attack Galloway have cited his "rat like features" as an area to criticize? I have my doubts.
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    yes. Many times on internet forums such as debatingforum.com
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    Well anyone who is genuinely attempting to argue against Galloway and cites his "rat like features" as a criticism shouldn't be taken seriously, yeah? There you go then. It's fairly obvious that this "society" was intended just as a joke.. largely to rile you.
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    It's fairly obvious that this "society" was intended just as a joke
    Not to most people by the looks of things!

    largely to rile you.
    Well your ******* plan worked! :wink:
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    Why on earth do people spend so much time talking about this cowardly and ignorant man who changes his story more often than most of us have hot dinners?

    You - not YOU Senator of course
    Sir - not you Saddam of course

    Pull the other one.


    Galloway's only motive for entering political is to finance his luxurious lifestyle and fuel his own ego. Fortunately, he will never achieve much more in British politics than that. He is to all intents and purposes an irrelevance.
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    Why on earth do people spend so much time talking about this cowardly and ignorant man who changes his story more often than most of us have hot dinners?
    Cowardly?! He has tood up in front of the most powerful men in the world and said NO! He could have had a safe seat but he chose to FIGHT for PRINCIPLES. Explain yourself.

    Ignorant! Do you know anyone else who knows more about the middle east in UK politics than Galloway? And how is he ignorant of domestic politics? 18 years in parliament, youngest Chair of Scottish Labour etc. Explain yourself.

    His story changes! Unlike the likes of Mandleson and Milburn he has said the same thing all of his life. He didn't go from trot to neo-liberal, he's a life long democratic socialist.

    You - not YOU Senator of course
    If you are complaining to a telephone operator, do you mean you personally? If you are talking to a supermarket worker, would you contemplate saying 'do you sell vegetables?' Probably. But you didn't mean that actual person did you now?

    Sir - not you Saddam of course
    If you do take that interpretation, can you explain why it differs with the 30 years previous where he was a vehement anti-baathist. Also explain why he continued to make anti-baathist comments after that meeting. Also explain why Iraqis exiled under Saddam such as Sami Ramadani are so eager to work with him? Explain yourself.

    Galloway's only motive for entering political is to finance his luxurious lifestyle and fuel his own ego.
    What luxurious lifestyle? Can yoy please explain how his lifestyle is luxurious?

    Fortunately, he will never achieve much more in British politics than that.
    He has acheived a lot. He increased War on Wants donations 7 fold while in charge. He saved the life of an Iraqi child and raised the profile of sanctions. He is proud to say that the first two public buildings in Europe to fly the Palestinian flag did so because of his doing. He was the youngest ever chariman of Scottish Labour, he has been involved in campaigns for Democratic change in Iraq. He has won 5 parliamentary elections and continues to serve the vulnerable, as well as building a new political force which will take Tower Hamlets council and win scores more council seats around the country.

    He is to all intents and purposes an irrelevance.
    I'm sure Oona King agrees with you
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    (Original post by Northumbrian)
    Explain how and I'll explain why you are wrong.
    how open minded of you to think that you will prove me wrong before wanting to hear my explanation.

    I have also noticed that you have the website http://www.respectcoalition.org/

    as your "Home page" on your profile. So you must be a "respect" fan? I think your openion about george galloway and his actions is biased.

    (Original post by Alexdel)
    How is someone who speaks out in his party and gets kicked out when everyone is in agreement to please the party and has been against the war from the beginning become an opportunist?

    Well first of all he left his old constituency and never looked back...instead he targeted Bethnal green where majority of people are Muslim... because he knew most of them would vote for him solely because of his stance (against Tony blair). He concentrated solely on Iraq and tony blair, you never see him talk about anything apart from Iraq/blair.
    If he would ve stayed in his own constituency in Scotland and won the seat then i'd "respect" him but he didn’t. he searched all over the country and found an area with a large Muslim population and use their anger against the government for his own benefit. I don't know if he had dealings with saddam and i don't care. What i do know is that he didn't fight like a man.
    Thats why i said he's an opportunist.

    I don't think you should be a politician if you are only concentrating on one single issue. Galloway has created a "political party" based on one single issue. In a few years time the Iraq business will be forgotten and then people will be asking what has he been doing for his constituency??

    Respect, like the BNP, focuses on one single issue. BNP focuses on Race and respect focuses on Tony BLAIR and his war in Iraq....the difference is that in a few years time when Blair 'll step down and the Iraq war'll be forgotten (don’t tell me that it‘ll still be a hot topic in 3 years time as it is now)... I wonder what George Galloway is going to say then? To what extent will he be successful at marinating his support if tony blair is not there? after all creating a political party is going to be a stupid idea if it is to last only for a few years.
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    (Original post by HammaL)

    as your "Home page" on your profile. So you must be a "respect" fan? I think your openion about george galloway and his actions is biased.
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    I disagree with that. The reason people join a party is because they share its beliefs. Its not the other way around.

    Its like saying that because I joined the Labour party, any positive opinion I have on their policies is irrelevant.
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    (Original post by thebucketwoman)
    I disagree with that. The reason people join a party is because they share its beliefs. Its not the other way around.

    Its like saying that because I joined the Labour party, any positive opinion I have on their policies is irrelevant.
    well, yeah, they are mostly positive aren't they?
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    I think your openion about george galloway and his actions is biased.
    I have been a member of RESPECT for over a year now. I am not using my opinions when I argue, I am using hard facts.

    Well first of all he left his old constituency and never looked back
    His old constituency was abolished due to boundary changes and he would have had to stand against friend and comrade Mohammad Sarwar to contest the new seat. RESPECT doesn't stand against socialist MPs like Sarwar.

    targeted Bethnal green where majority of people are Muslim
    I think under half of the electorate are Muslim. RESPECT is a political party who wants to get its most experienced and well known member (Galloway) elected. So, it looks at our European election results and finds that our best result came in Tower Hamlets where we topped the poll. So we decided to stand Galloway in a seat in Tower Hamlets. Is there anything unusual about that? The MP there had voted for every Blairite bill in the House of Commons and the area had a large muslim population which RESPECT had pledged to defend after the war on muslims was started by Bush and Bliar. So there is nothing sly or opportunistic about standing there. It was a a logical step.

    He concentrated solely on Iraq and tony blair, you never see him talk about anything apart from Iraq/blair.
    This is false. Just because YOU have never seen him talk about anything else doesn't mean he doesn't. His most recent appearance in Parilament for example was in relation to the planned Cross Rail development in his constituency. During the figher fighters strike he consistently pledged his support and indeed fough to save a Bethnal Green fire engine that was to be taken away by the council. He talks about issues such as housing, tuition fees, privatisation and MANY more things. I have seen him talk in a rally and have heard many more of his speeches and he talks about a wide array of topics and this is reflected in RESPECT's 2005 manifesto.

    If he would ve stayed in his own constituency in Scotland and won the seat then i'd "respect" him but he didn’t.
    As I have said, his constituency doesn't exist anymore. The Labour MP chosen to stand for the new seat was a GOOD MP and RESPECT does not stand against GOOD MP's. Also, RESPECT doesn't exist in Scotland due to the recent success of the Scottish Socialist Party. So not only would it have been very uncomradely to stand there, but it would have been totally ilogical too.

    he searched all over the country and found an area with a large Muslim population and use their anger against the government for his own benefit.
    Again, this is a lie, RESPECT stood everywhere in England and Wales in the European Elections of 2004. We obviously decided that our highest profile member should stand in the seat with the best results which was Bethnal Green and Bow. We checked who the MP was. A Blairite stooge who had done nothing for her constituents. Therefore, it was decided that this was a good place to stand. And was it really for his own benefit? Why didn't he shut up and get parachuted into a safe seat and guarantee his political career? Instead he chose to fight for what he believed in and risk political oblivion (he only won by less than 900 votes remember)

    So he fought and fought after being viciously smeared by the press, attacked by politicians from all sides, brought before the senate, expelled by the Labour Party, threatened with death by Islamic Extremists etc, he fought and won. Was that easy? Was that the easiest option? No. So your arguments do not stand up I'm afraid.

    I don't think you should be a politician if you are only concentrating on one single issue. Galloway has created a "political party" based on one single issue. In a few years time the Iraq business will be forgotten and then people will be asking what has he been doing for his constituency??
    Our party is not based on one single issue. We are a socialist and environmentalist party and have many many policies including the defence of civil liberties, the defence of public services, and end to racism and the scapegoating of immigrants etc. We oppose entry to the Euro and the European Constitution. We would abolish tuition fees, raise the top rate of income tax and create a local income tax replacing council tax. We have policies for every subject there is.

    I notice you have a quote from the best Prime Minister we never had in your signature. Rt Hon Tony Benn described Galloway as 'one of the finest socialists, internationalists and democrats of his generation.'
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    (Original post by TheVlad)
    well, yeah, they are mostly positive aren't they?
    Well obviously, I wouldn't support them if I didn't agree with most of their policies.
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    Well obviously, I wouldn't support them if I didn't agree with most of their policies.
    Unless you were a spy! :smile:
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    (Original post by Northumbrian)
    Unless you were a spy! :smile:
    I have plans, terrible terrible plans... :wtf?:
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    Do these plans involve a 1984 style police state
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    (Original post by Northumbrian)
    Cowardly?! He has tood up in front of the most powerful men in the world and said NO! He could have had a safe seat but he chose to FIGHT for PRINCIPLES. Explain yourself.

    Ignorant! Do you know anyone else who knows more about the middle east in UK politics than Galloway? And how is he ignorant of domestic politics? 18 years in parliament, youngest Chair of Scottish Labour etc. Explain yourself.

    His story changes! Unlike the likes of Mandleson and Milburn he has said the same thing all of his life. He didn't go from trot to neo-liberal, he's a life long democratic socialist.

    If you are complaining to a telephone operator, do you mean you personally? If you are talking to a supermarket worker, would you contemplate saying 'do you sell vegetables?' Probably. But you didn't mean that actual person did you now?

    If you do take that interpretation, can you explain why it differs with the 30 years previous where he was a vehement anti-baathist. Also explain why he continued to make anti-baathist comments after that meeting. Also explain why Iraqis exiled under Saddam such as Sami Ramadani are so eager to work with him? Explain yourself.

    What luxurious lifestyle? Can yoy please explain how his lifestyle is luxurious?

    He has acheived a lot. He increased War on Wants donations 7 fold while in charge. He saved the life of an Iraqi child and raised the profile of sanctions. He is proud to say that the first two public buildings in Europe to fly the Palestinian flag did so because of his doing. He was the youngest ever chariman of Scottish Labour, he has been involved in campaigns for Democratic change in Iraq. He has won 5 parliamentary elections and continues to serve the vulnerable, as well as building a new political force which will take Tower Hamlets council and win scores more council seats around the country.

    I'm sure Oona King agrees with you

    Wow - its so dangerous to stand up in front of Senate committees and in the House of Commons! What bravery :rolleyes:

    Shouting your mouth off and proclaiming you are an expert in Middle East politics does not make you one. There are low profile politicians and academics who know a huge amount more Middle East politics than Mr Galloway but understand something about diplomacy.

    I have never supported Milburn or Mandelson so am unsure why that is relevant. Mr Galloway has changed his views equally as often though.

    So Mr Galloway also voted for the war then - as he was a member of the House of Commons that did so? That is the logic of what you are saying.

    Luxurious lifestyle - 2 luxury houses, an overseas, first class travel all over the world, Jaguars, designers suits and Cuban cigars! :cool:

    Those achievements for what has cost the British people millions of pounds in his wages and expenses I don't consider to be value for money. Many more lives would have been saved had that money gone directly to people like Mother Teresa - who actually dedicated their lives to serving the poor without seeking personal glory.

    If Mr Galloway had any dignity he would have stood in a seat in which comprised part of his old constituency. I know he feels "good MPs" like Mohammad Sarwar who paid his election rivals 5 grand to scale down their campaign and who were at the centre of election vote rigging allegations are the sort of people Mr Galloway admires - speaks volumes about Mr Galloway really.

    Finally no I doubt he is not an irrelevance in the life of Oona King. That does not stop him being an irrelevance in terms of achieving things in British politics.
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    Respect are anti-Zionist, not anti-Semitic. There is a massive difference.

    Hilarious to hear thebucketwoman claiming Labour as the official anti-BNP party. Pretty much every party is against the BNP, even UKIP. The ANL is not allied to any political party, it is merely an anti-fascist organisation.

    Also JonD; "Respect and the BNP may as well merge" - I don't see Galloway and Griffin agreeing on many issues. They may not share the same views as each other on immigration.
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    (Original post by FarnhamBoy)
    Respect are anti-Zionist, not anti-Semitic. There is a massive difference.

    Hilarious to hear thebucketwoman claiming Labour as the official anti-BNP party. Pretty much every party is against the BNP, even UKIP. The ANL is not allied to any political party, it is merely an anti-fascist organisation.

    Also JonD; "Respect and the BNP may as well merge" - I don't see Galloway and Griffin agreeing on many issues. They may not share the same views as each other on immigration.
    Apart from immigration and the military, they are pretty hard to separate.
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    They are fairly similar on economic issues, but on every other issue, they are diametrically opposed. This is a typical conservative rant that socialism and national socialism are one and the same.
 
 
 
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