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    (Original post by Random one)
    Extra two syllabals Continue!
    Well actually due to a rare speech impediment I have..... :p:

    Yep, you're right.
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    (Original post by calumc)
    So I suppose that makes it offensive in the same way as an overly-patriotic Scotsman might be offended if you referred to him as British, or a member of the BNP might be if you called him European. Ooh, how very hurtful.
    No, a Scottish person (however patriotic) is still British. However, if I met a Scot who felt that strongly I would do my best to remember and call him or her Scottish rather than British (in fact I'd do so anyway). A British BNP member is also European. The point I was making is that "Paki" became a generic term for anyone from a host of different Asian countries. Its use became derogatory because of the lack of respect for people as individuals or even for people as being from a particular country. I think that's the point here. Why are people fighting for the "right" to use the word "Paki"? Why not call people by their name? Or at the very least have the decency to get the country they come from right? It seems to me that political correctness is about respect and the people who lash out at it are trying to maintain some right to be disrespectful.
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    (Original post by englishstudent)
    It seems to me that political correctness is about respect and the people who lash out at it are trying to maintain some right to be disrespectful.
    I recall the Trafalgar day celebrations which were to include a moke sea battle between the english and french, however due to 'political correctness' it had to be changed to 'a red navy' and 'a blue navy' so as not to offend the french!
    Im sorry that isn't about respect that is a total joke...
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    Look, history has made it so that the word is racist. It is as racist as "******", "gook", "spic" etc.

    Your half-arsed, pseudo-Maddox "ranting" on a message board does not change that. Not calling someone a "paki" isn't politically correct; it's just common deceny.
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    (Original post by Sam2005)
    I recall the Trafalgar day celebrations which were to include a moke sea battle between the english and french, however due to 'political correctness' it had to be changed to 'a red navy' and 'a blue navy' so as not to offend the french!
    Im sorry that isn't about respect that is a total joke...
    Sometimes being PC is overdone.
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    (Original post by Tonight Matthew)
    Look, history has made it so that the word is racist. It is as racist as "******", "gook", "spic" etc.

    Your half-arsed, pseudo-Maddox "ranting" on a message board does not change that. Not calling someone a "paki" isn't politically correct; it's just common deceny.
    Exactly it isn't PC its just having some respect, PC in my eyes, would be daft things like that which I mentioned above...
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    (Original post by Sam2005)
    I recall the Trafalgar day celebrations which were to include a moke sea battle between the english and french, however due to 'political correctness' it had to be changed to 'a red navy' and 'a blue navy' so as not to offend the french!
    Im sorry that isn't about respect that is a total joke...
    Political correctness is about language, not about naval battles. Those people who go on about how much they hate political correctness are missing the point entirely. All the petty legislation matters and everything in society which seems pedantic is suddenly put under the umbrella of "political correctness". Anyway, as with most things in life, political correctness is not something which must be either adhered to 100% or discarded completely. I can disapprove of words like "Paki" and "s*****c" whilst thinking other rules to be petty. Having said that at a time of extreme tension with France over issues such as the CAP, rebates, the general running of the EU and ongoing disagreement over Iraq it was perhaps a wise political move not to rub their faces in the loss they suffered at Trafalgar.
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    (Original post by englishstudent)
    Political correctness is about language, not about naval battles. Those people who go on about how much they hate political correctness are missing the point entirely. All the petty legislation matters and everything in society which seems pedantic is suddenly put under the umbrella of "political correctness". Anyway, as with most things in life, political correctness is not something which must be either adhered to 100% or discarded completely. I can disapprove of words like "Paki" and "s*****c" whilst thinking other rules to be petty. Having said that at a time of extreme tension with France over issues such as the CAP, rebates, the general running of the EU and ongoing disagreement over Iraq it was perhaps a wise political move not to rub their faces in the loss they suffered at Trafalgar.
    I disagree, I wouldn't class not calling someone a n..... or a p... as being PC its just common decency as Tonight Matthew said, same as not calling some a w....r, PC is not being allowed to ask for black coffee in case it offends, or suppression of the majorities native religion in order to make room for the minority...
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    And you're joking about trafalger right? The lose they suffered... 200 years ago!! Just another clear example of PC gone too far, we have a right to celebrate our victories, Im sure the French would too if they had any...
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    Ok, so some people have just made some more entirely flawed arguments, but hey.

    Moving on, I was listening to the radio today and realised that there was a radio station specifically for Black and Asian music - think of the possible outrage if I was to start up a radio station for just white music.......

    This is positive discrimination and therefore a form of racism - racism can be the other way round too you know!
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    (Original post by God86)
    Moving on, I was listening to the radio today and realised that there was a radio station specifically for Black and Asian music - think of the possible outrage if I was to start up a radio station for just white music.......
    So, what exactly would you play on this radio station for just "white music"? There is no particular brand of "white music", with the exception of white supremacy crap which I'm sure you abhor. There is however a certain thing as "Asian music", there's a specific market for it - hence the radio station. No specific market for "white music" - hence no radio station. If you're thinking - "but what if I wanted to make a radio station just with "white music" on?" - then you'd be faced with outrage, because the only brand of specifically "white music" that I can think of is all disgusting racialist sh*te. Asian music isn't. So really, don't get too upset about it.

    (Original post by God86)
    This is positive discrimination
    No it's not. Positive discrimination, by definition, requires one social group to be put out at the expense of another. As we've already established that there's no such thing as "white music" per se, the Asian / Black / whatever music isn't actually being put in place of anything.

    So yeah, strike that one off your "ways I can complain about other races without being a blatant racist" list.
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    Yeh like bbc asian network, just think that the licence fee is being spent to support music from another culture, just that culture! and they even have alll asian presenters, yet we're not aloud to have "music of british origin" etc like choir singing or something. Or old folk songs.

    Its definately an injustice, i'll probably be branded a racist for evening questioning why a certain sector of our society should have public money spent exclusively on them.
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    (Original post by Zakatu)
    Yeh like bbc asian network, just think that the licence fee is being spent to support music from another culture, just that culture! and they even have alll asian presenters, yet we're not aloud to have "music of british origin" etc like choir singing or something. Or old folk songs.
    Music of British origin gets played all the time anyway. The BBC Asian network only exists because this sort of stuff doesn't get played on 'normal radio'. There's no need for a specifically "BBC British origin network", it gets played anyway.

    Turn Radio One on some time.
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    (Original post by Zakatu)
    Yeh like bbc asian network, just think that the licence fee is being spent to support music from another culture, just that culture! and they even have alll asian presenters, yet we're not aloud to have "music of british origin" etc like choir singing or something. Or old folk songs.

    Its definately an injustice, i'll probably be branded a racist for evening questioning why a certain sector of our society should have public money spent exclusively on them.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA!!!

    Sorry. I just found it incredibly ammusing that this person just asumed that because this radio station plays asian music and plays British Asian music, that all their presenters are Asian. Seriously - do some research and then come back when you have an informed opinion.. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by God86)
    Ok, so some people have just made some more entirely flawed arguments, but hey.

    Moving on, I was listening to the radio today and realised that there was a radio station specifically for Black and Asian music - think of the possible outrage if I was to start up a radio station for just white music.......

    This is positive discrimination and therefore a form of racism - racism can be the other way round too you know!
    Oh Boo Hoo..

    There are also stations specifically for Jazz, Classical Music and hell - even stations dedicated to just sport!! :eek: OMG - Too Much CULTURE!!! OUTRAGE!!
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    (Original post by Prad)
    Oh Boo Hoo..

    There are also stations specifically for Jazz, Classical Music and hell - even stations dedicated to just sport!! :eek: OMG - Too Much CULTURE!!! OUTRAGE!!
    To elaborate.. (I pressed Submit too quickly..) the majority of stations play music from various regions. Radio One plays music from Britain, America, Europe, etc...

    BBC Asian Network plays music from Britain, America and also Asian Countries.

    BBC 1Xtra plays music from Britain, America, Jamaica, etc..

    They're all encouraging and promoting culture, and regardless of what you may percieve, they're not specific to race. White artists and DJs regular are played on 1Xtra and Asian Network. Oddly enough, although Black musicians are played on Radio One, not so many Asian artists are..
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    (Original post by Prad)
    To elaborate.. (I pressed Submit too quickly..) the majority of stations play music from various regions. Radio One plays music from Britain, America, Europe, etc...

    BBC Asian Network plays music from Britain, America and also Asian Countries.

    BBC 1Xtra plays music from Britain, America, Jamaica, etc..

    They're all encouraging and promoting culture, and regardless of what you may percieve, they're not specific to race. White artists and DJs regular are played on 1Xtra and Asian Network. Oddly enough, although Black musicians are played on Radio One, not so many Asian artists are..
    Exactly, but why are they not played? If its because of their origin, then the BBC are racist (quite unlikely I think you'll agree). If its because the music is not good enough to be played on mainstream stations, then why should they get their own radio station, paid for by everyone's licence fee - surely this is a waste?

    In response to a previous comment, my purely theoretical proposal of a white only radio station does not mean that it would be all BNP orientated nationalistic choons played, but that, just as the Asian station only plays music from an Asian origin (this can be either people based in Asia OR people who take their inspiration from their Asian heritage ie. those based outside Asia), a "white-only" (remember, only theoretical!!) radio station could only play music created by white people, or from countries where white people, sorry caucasians, are a majority. This would be seen as racism.

    I hope that the majority of people understand what I am trying to say. Of course some will be able to find flaws in my argument, hence why political correctness came about, but positive discrimination is where the balance is unequally reversed ie. currently in the UK, I presume that people of ethnic origins are still a minority and therefore, it is my view that although they should most definitely be treated equally, there is a distinct difference between equality and equity, which I think is often forgotten.

    If anyone is unsure of the difference between equality and equity, I would be happy to help.
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    (Original post by Zakatu)
    Yeh like bbc asian network, just think that the licence fee is being spent to support music from another culture, just that culture!
    Hmm, and Asian people don't pay a licence fee do they? You should listen to Asian music by the way, it's better than the majority of what's in the charts. Oh no, wait, I listen to Asian music and I am not Asian. That throws a bit of a problem up for your argument doesn't it?

    Edit: By the way, if you just want white music I'd listen to Classic FM. Lots of dead white guys' music.
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    (Original post by God86)
    In response to a previous comment, my purely theoretical proposal of a white only radio station does not mean that it would be all BNP orientated nationalistic choons played, but that, just as the Asian station only plays music from an Asian origin (this can be either people based in Asia OR people who take their inspiration from their Asian heritage ie. those based outside Asia), a "white-only" (remember, only theoretical!!) radio station could only play music created by white people, or from countries where white people, sorry caucasians, are a majority. This would be seen as racism.
    No it wouldn't. It would be Virgin Radio.
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    (Original post by Prad)
    No it wouldn't. It would be Virgin Radio.
    Very, very true.
 
 
 
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