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    (Original post by Saffie)
    That would be because she's permanently banned. And your rep's not worth anything either, I wouldn't think.

    (you need about 100 posts or something for it to be worth any points)
    Yeah, I think it is worth something very very small but it's the thought that counts. Seriously I think some of Straight's post can be rude but they are nothing compared to people like Jamie and Fluffy's posts which question every detail in people's sad stories about their mums cancer etc. Anyway a friend told me about this forum and said that it was informative and funny but I find it hypocritical and *****y so I'm not coming back (lol not that too many people will care).
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    (Original post by StrangeKitten)
    Yeah, I think it is worth something very very small but it's the thought that counts. Seriously I think some of Straight's post can be rude but they are nothing compared to people like Jamie and Fluffy's posts which question every detail in people's sad stories about their mums cancer etc. Anyway a friend told me about this forum and said that it was informative and funny but I find it hypocritical and *****y so I'm not coming back (lol not that too many people will care).
    Me and fluffy are interested in the stuff that matters to patients and their families, why admittedly might not be appropriate to ask on a public forum, but is what will make us good caring doctors.
    Straight talker never did anything other than post rude comments to people, even those in the most desperate of sitautions.

    I hardly see how you can compare "Are you sure your grandad wanted to spend his last days in hospital rather than at home" compares with "you had unprotected sex you sl*g blah blah burden yourself with thicko babies..."
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    (Original post by Jamie)
    Me and fluffy are interested in the stuff that matters to patients and their families, why admittedly might not be appropriate to ask on a public forum, but is what will make us good caring doctors.
    I will try and answer your question but don't shout at me :afraid:

    What can make you good doctors? In my opinion obviously they need to be friendly and caring, which I'm sure you are. I think the doctors which I have come across and in my opinion aren't good doctors are those that talk between them around you using big words which most people don't understand. I think I'd prefer a doctor to talk between themselves some place that I can't hear them, then explain to me in a way that I will understand. I also think doctors should try and make sure the patient doesn't feel rushed or an inconvenience, I know previous posts have mentioned that they only have a certain time limit with patients but if they keep looking at their watch of tapping their pen it makes patients feel a bit of a nuisance of uncomfortable. Finally I did a module in A Level Psychology about patient/practitioner relationship and my class voted that eye contact was a must, it seemed that if people went into a surgery and all the doctor did was stare at a computer screen, look out the window or fiddle around with papers/instruments, it was as though the doctor wasn't devoting their time to the patient. Also a reassuring squeeze on the shoulder or tap on the knee can really help in a bad situation.


    I don't know if thats any help, you probably already know this and I'm sure you practice them already, I just thought I'd say Simple things can make a big difference.
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    (Original post by * gemchicken *)
    I will try and answer your question but don't shout at me :afraid:

    What can make you good doctors? In my opinion obviously they need to be friendly and caring, which I'm sure you are. I think the doctors which I have come across and in my opinion aren't good doctors are those that talk between them around you using big words which most people don't understand. I think I'd prefer a doctor to talk between themselves some place that I can't hear them, then explain to me in a way that I will understand. I also think doctors should try and make sure the patient doesn't feel rushed or an inconvenience, I know previous posts have mentioned that they only have a certain time limit with patients but if they keep looking at their watch of tapping their pen it makes patients feel a bit of a nuisance of uncomfortable. Finally I did a module in A Level Psychology about patient/practitioner relationship and my class voted that eye contact was a must, it seemed that if people went into a surgery and all the doctor did was stare at a computer screen, look out the window or fiddle around with papers/instruments, it was as though the doctor wasn't devoting their time to the patient. Also a reassuring squeeze on the shoulder or tap on the knee can really help in a bad situation.


    I don't know if thats any help, you probably already know this and I'm sure you practice them already, I just thought I'd say Simple things can make a big difference.
    O gosh yeh we get this drummed into us constantly. like how they've chnged the desks in consulting rooms so that the doc is hidden behind the desk anymore etc. Eye contact of course is always a must - tho if you have to order tests on you computer then it helps to keep talking whilst you're doing it - better to lose eye contact for a while and doa thorough consultation than keep eye contact and not.

    As for the ability to explain - thats what we call tlaking in laymans terms. Now i feel that myself, fluffy etc are probablary really good at that - because basically thats what we do ourselves. Sort of like how when you first learn french you think in english and manually translate everythig - when you get better you just think in french.

    Now SpR (specialist registrars) are the step below consultants. The real thing that seperates the two is the ability to communicate well with patients. When docs get to SpR level they can only think medic-speak. Then basically they've learnt all there really is to learn in their ield so they start to relearn patient skills.

    Thats why i'll warrant that most of the docs you meet who are terrible at communicating won't be consultants, but their SpRs...

    anyone else agree/know what im blabbing about?
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    (Original post by Jamie)
    Now SpR (specialist registrars) are the step below consultants. The real thing that seperates the two is the ability to communicate well with patients. When docs get to SpR level they can only think medic-speak. Then basically they've learnt all there really is to learn in their ield so they start to relearn patient skills.

    Thats why i'll warrant that most of the docs you meet who are terrible at communicating won't be consultants, but their SpRs...

    anyone else agree/know what im blabbing about?
    Yeah, I'll vouch for the fact I dunno what you're going on about half the time, [in H&R]. :p: All makes sense now, it's because you're not a consultant with communication skills.
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    (Original post by Saffie)
    That would be because she's permanently banned. And your rep's not worth anything either, I wouldn't think.

    (you need about 100 posts or something for it to be worth any points)
    I got positive rep from from someone relatively new for one of my posts in this thread and that rep was worth a lot to me, regardless of how many 'points' were attached to it.

    And I got an extra gem for this post http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...2&postcount=24
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    (Original post by Jamie)
    O gosh yeh we get this drummed into us constantly. like how they've chnged the desks in consulting rooms so that the doc is hidden behind the desk anymore etc. Eye contact of course is always a must - tho if you have to order tests on you computer then it helps to keep talking whilst you're doing it - better to lose eye contact for a while and doa thorough consultation than keep eye contact and not.

    As for the ability to explain - thats what we call tlaking in laymans terms. Now i feel that myself, fluffy etc are probablary really good at that - because basically thats what we do ourselves. Sort of like how when you first learn french you think in english and manually translate everythig - when you get better you just think in french.

    Now SpR (specialist registrars) are the step below consultants. The real thing that seperates the two is the ability to communicate well with patients. When docs get to SpR level they can only think medic-speak. Then basically they've learnt all there really is to learn in their ield so they start to relearn patient skills.

    Thats why i'll warrant that most of the docs you meet who are terrible at communicating won't be consultants, but their SpRs...

    anyone else agree/know what im blabbing about?
    Or the consultant and the patient sit on the same side of the desk. (Well, that's what happens during my consultations).

    My GP has a trick of sitting on the edge of the desk if I get distressed but he has outstanding communication skills so he doesn't need to resort to that often. I am a little spoilt there - he is the best doctor in the entire universe </hyperbole>.
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    For what it's worth here goes. Have to say that most medical professionals I've dealt with have been fantastic-my GP allowed 20 minutes counselling sessions for my depression, and I've suffered with psoriasis since I was 14 so have spent a large amount of time with my doctor. Also the medical staff at the hospital were fantastic when my aged mother fell. However there is always a flip side and whilst there are many great medics there are also the few infuriating ones whose actions reflect badly on the profession. It is true that there is a natural tendency in many professions to 'close ranks' when criticisms are mad, often because a lot of criticism is unfounded or based on ignorance of facts. However there are occassions when members of a profession must stand up and be counted- something I did in the teaching profession. Not easy to do and made me very unpopular amongst my colleagues for a while, but had to be done and the injustice was righted. Every profession has excellent and dire practicioners. Whilst those making criticisms must be prepared to stand up if there is ever to be any progeess, members of all professions have to accept that not all colleagues are fantsatic.
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    (Original post by Jamie)
    Me and fluffy are interested in the stuff that matters to patients and their families, why admittedly might not be appropriate to ask on a public forum, but is what will make us good caring doctors.

    Totally - I think most people who regularly use the TSR forums on which I post know I want to move into Oncology, and I've had some amazing PMs from people offering their take on paliative care from experience of losing a loved one. That's a fantastic legacy for someones life and experiences to shape someone elses training.

    You can learn more from a 30 minute conversation with someone who has been trhough something than you can learn from a whole weekend with a text book on the subject.
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    (Original post by Saffie)
    That would be because she's permanently banned. And your rep's not worth anything either, I wouldn't think.

    (you need about 100 posts or something for it to be worth any points)

    Good! I hope her IP range has been banned too! Talk about a waste of human tissue!
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    My doctor is great, but it's impossible to get an appointment :mad:
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    (Original post by StrangeKitten)
    Hey I wanted to give you a positive rep but I can't, the scales icon isn't there for you atm. I doubt these people are even in training to be doctors. By the way I'm the Queen of Sheba.
    Why would we lie about something like that?
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    I been in hospital lots and the doctors were all really nice then. The people with the little blue stethoscopes are you all doctors?
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    (Original post by *Saffy*)
    I been in hospital lots and the doctors were all really nice then. The people with the little blue stethoscopes are you all doctors?
    We're all current medical students (and 2 of us, anita_xx and ataloss, have just qualified) =)
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    (Original post by Miles)
    We're all current medical students (and 2 of us, anita_xx and ataloss, have just qualified) =)
    Wow congratulations! I want to be a doctor too! All the people here seem very nice medical students!
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    (Original post by *Saffy*)
    Wow congratulations! I want to be a doctor too! All the people here seem very nice medical students!
    I seriously have an impersonator.
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    (Original post by Saffie)
    I seriously have an impersonator.
    You've got my name!
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    (Original post by BellaCat)
    Or the consultant and the patient sit on the same side of the desk. (Well, that's what happens during my consultations).

    My GP has a trick of sitting on the edge of the desk if I get distressed but he has outstanding communication skills so he doesn't need to resort to that often. I am a little spoilt there - he is the best doctor in the entire universe </hyperbole>.
    yeh thats what i meant (typing so fast thay isn't became is) - the desks are now put up against the wall so basically there is ONLY one side to the desk if you get me.
 
 
 
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