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Reply 60
And I presume he both smoked and drank alcohol.
Reply 61
Mr. Fox
And I presume he both smoked and drank alcohol.


You presume wrong. Hitler was completely against smoking.
and he never drank. He was also a vegetarian i think.
Churchill on the other hand never got out of bed before 12 without a glass of whisky in his hand and smoked like a chimney.
Reply 63
TheVlad
Or in the whole country...

I'm not anti-tobacco as such, I just think that smokers smell (woo aren't I perceptive) and most that I have met aren't very good at stimulating conversation.

Can someone please tell me how what I said in the above extract is a "wild generalisation"?
Reply 64
Hmm, never knew that.
Reply 65
Seriously, why is everyone attacking? The poor guy just wanted to know who smoked what - he didn't ask to be debated with...
Live and let die people!
Personally, i smoke Richmond Menthol at the minute, but usually GV rollies :smile:
Reply 66
foxo
You presume wrong. Hitler was completely against smoking.


That's right, & I believe Nazi Germany was the first (and so far, only) government to completely prohibit tobacco.
Reply 67
Iz the Wiz
That's right, & I believe Nazi Germany was the first (and so far, only) government to completely prohibit tobacco.

You sure??? Source?
Reply 68
That was actually due to war rationing, I'm afraid. As far as I'm aware it was the same here in WW1 and WW2.
Reply 69
yeah, I doubt it was actually prohibited, just anavailable. If you managed to get your hands on some.. say if you had stockpiled cigarettes, noone would mind much.

And the important people, like NAZI officials and Army officers probably had access to cigarettes.
Usually Wills Navy Cut...and Marlboro Lights.
Reply 71
TheVlad
You sure??? Source?


I had read it at various times; but I just found this article at http://www.junkscience.com/news/nazis.htm (from the British Medical Journal, No. 7070 Volume 313):

THE ANTI-TOBACCO CAMPAIGN OF THE NAZIS: A LITTLE KNOWN ASPECT OF PUBLIC HEALTH IN GERMANY, 1933-45
by Robert N Proctor


Historians and epidemiologists have only recently begun to explore the Nazi anti-tobacco movement. Germany had the world's strongest anti smoking movement in the 1930s and early 1940s,encompassing bans on smoking in public spaces, bans on advertising,restrictions on tobacco rations for women, and the world's most refined tobacco epidemiology, linking tobacco use with the already evident epidemic of lung cancer. The anti-tobacco campaign must be understood against the backdrop of the Nazi quest for racial and bodily purity, which also motivated many other public health efforts of the era.
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Many Nazi leaders were vocal opponents of smoking. Anti-tobacco activists pointed out that whereas Churchill, Stalin, and Roosevelt were all fond of tobacco, the three major fascist leaders of Europe-Hitler, Mussolini, and Franco-were all non-smokers.

Hitler was the most adamant,characterising tobacco as "the wrath of the Red Man against the White Man for having been given hard liquor." At one point the Fuhrer even suggested that Nazism might never have triumphed in Germany had he not given up smoking.
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Reply 72
I like Marlborough Lights (but very rarely smoke the occasional one at a party or something).
red_roadkill
I like Marlborough Lights (but very rarely smoke the occasional one at a party or something).

:frown: good
hener
I personally smoke Marlboro Red's and find that people that smoke are generally more fun (a care free approach to life!!) I'm not saying people who don't smoke are not fun but i do find the most of the fun people i know are smokers! Has anyone else noticed the trend, just interested!!!!

Whatever i can bum off my mates. I don't smoke regularly but when my mates do, i do. So I scrounge off them. Its cheaper than buying my own just cos i happen to be going out with a bunch of mates and might smoke.
Reply 75
Tonight Matthew
Did you actually read his post? He wasn't complaining about the cigarettes he actually smokes, he was complaining about the cigarettes many people smoke. American Spirit cigarettes are 100% additive free, so he's in just as good a position to criticize cigarettes rife with additives as anyone.


still...he smokes and he will pay with his health and with his wallet.

or is he one of these smokers concerned and worried about their health? i dont know any of them. if they were concerned and worried they'd not smoke.
Reply 76
Iz the Wiz
I had read it at various times; but I just found this article at http://www.junkscience.com/news/nazis.htm (from the British Medical Journal, No. 7070 Volume 313):

THE ANTI-TOBACCO CAMPAIGN OF THE NAZIS: A LITTLE KNOWN ASPECT OF PUBLIC HEALTH IN GERMANY, 1933-45
by Robert N Proctor


Historians and epidemiologists have only recently begun to explore the Nazi anti-tobacco movement. Germany had the world's strongest anti smoking movement in the 1930s and early 1940s,encompassing bans on smoking in public spaces, bans on advertising,restrictions on tobacco rations for women, and the world's most refined tobacco epidemiology, linking tobacco use with the already evident epidemic of lung cancer. The anti-tobacco campaign must be understood against the backdrop of the Nazi quest for racial and bodily purity, which also motivated many other public health efforts of the era.
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Many Nazi leaders were vocal opponents of smoking. Anti-tobacco activists pointed out that whereas Churchill, Stalin, and Roosevelt were all fond of tobacco, the three major fascist leaders of Europe-Hitler, Mussolini, and Franco-were all non-smokers.

Hitler was the most adamant,characterising tobacco as "the wrath of the Red Man against the White Man for having been given hard liquor." At one point the Fuhrer even suggested that Nazism might never have triumphed in Germany had he not given up smoking.
...


however up the page you said:

"completely prohibit tobacco".

yet, the quoted source above doesnt seem to back this up?
Reply 77
technik
however up the page you said:

"completely prohibit tobacco".

yet, the quoted source above doesnt seem to back this up?


No, and I was open to the possibility that I was wrong about that, hence my uncertain wording (i.e., "i believe Nazi Germany was the first," etc.) (emphasis added).
Reply 78
Iz the Wiz
No, and I was open to the possibility that I was wrong about that, hence my uncertain wording (i.e., "i believe Nazi Germany was the first," etc.) (emphasis added).


i'd say believing something wouldnt suggest uncertainty.
I smoke berkley Menthols. You see when I'm laying on the ground dying of the heart attack that my death sticks (assuming the lung cancer doesnt get me first) will inevitably cause me, and i'm being given mouth to mouth, at least i'll have menthol minty fresh breath.
Here's a fact for you: 100% of non-smokers die.