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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    You would be surprised. I used to work abroad alot with a group of guys, the majority of whom had partners and kids. Sooner or later they would all cheat, with other women or prostitutes etc.. Alot of people came and went and those who would not pay for sex or cheat on their partners were in the minority.

    Yes it does. They like sex, so they pay for it. Sex isn't something sacred and holy. Although it may be to you. To most people it is something fun, enjoyable and satisfying.
    You don't see a problem with these guys you worked with going to prostitutes despite the fact that they already had wives/partners/children - simply because they find sex enjoyable? Finding sex enjoyable doesn't excuse cheating.
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    (Original post by FormerlyHistoryStudent)
    You don't see a problem with these guys you worked with going to prostitutes despite the fact that they already had wives/partners/children - simply because they find sex enjoyable? Finding sex enjoyable doesn't excuse cheating.

    Where did i say it was?
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    Where did i say it was?
    'I used to work abroad alot with a group of guys, the majority of whom had partners and kids. Sooner or later they would all cheat, with other women or prostitutes etc.. Alot of people came and went and those who would not pay for sex or cheat on their partners were in the minority.

    Yes it does. They like sex, so they pay for it. Sex isn't something sacred and holy. Although it may be to you. To most people it is something fun, enjoyable and satisfying.'

    You don't state outright but it is the impression you get from the way you worded your post - you don't condemn them at all, you just say that they cheated with prostitutes and most people find sex enjoyable - thus implying that it's pretty much normal and the cheating aspect should be turned a blind eye to because of this.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    You would be surprised. I used to work abroad alot with a group of guys, the majority of whom had partners and kids. Sooner or later they would all cheat, with other women or prostitutes etc.. Alot of people came and went and those who would not pay for sex or cheat on their partners were in the minority.
    Wow, that's pretty worrying. Sounds like a Lord of the Flies type thing.


    (Original post by Aeolus)
    Yes it does. They like sex, so they pay for it. Sex isn't something sacred and holy. Although it may be to you. To most people it is something fun, enjoyable and satisfying. To say it degrades women in allot of cases actually degrades women. You are saying that those women who choose to sell sex are only doing so because they are opressed and stood upon. God forbid there are strong independent women in the world who know exactly what they are doing and take advantage of their bodies and looks to make lots of money. :rolleyes:
    I don't see sex as something sacred or holy at all, I agree that in a lot of cases it's something fun, enjoyabe and satisfying, and that's fine, if it's enjoyable and fun for both people. Sex is a relationship- even if it's with someone you just met, it's still about shared attraction, shared pleasure, exploring each others bodies, whatever. For someone to completely ignore or disregard the other person's side of it, and essentially just to use them as a masturbation tool is twisted. To see women as good for sex and nothing else is degrading and you can try and justify it as a business transaction or whatever, but for people to buy and sell sex- there's something unhealthy there.

    (Original post by Aeolus)
    To say it degrades women in allot of cases actually degrades women. You are saying that those women who choose to sell sex are only doing so because they are opressed and stood upon. God forbid there are strong independent women in the world who know exactly what they are doing and take advantage of their bodies and looks to make lots of money. :rolleyes:
    This just seems like a bit of an excuse to ignore the fact that most prostitutes are doing it because they feel they have to. Most prostitutes in the UK want to leave the industry but don't think they can- there's a statistic somewhere, I'll dig it up if you want it. Many prostitutes have been brought into the industry at a very young age and just don't see a way of leaving, a shocking percentage are addicted to hard drugs. You can say 'strong independent women in the world who know exactly what they are doing and take advantage of their bodies'- well, I'm sure there are some, and good for them I guess, but the sad fact is they are the minority.

    Like I said, I'm for the legalisation of prostitution, so as far as I'm concerned women can do what they like with their bodies and men can buy sex from them. I just think it's a reflection of something really sad and wrong about our society, and shows the undervaluing/warped perception of women that our society has always had historically.
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    Thats disgusting....are you all really that desperate???!!
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    To see women as good for sex and nothing else is degrading and you can try and justify it as a business transaction or whatever, but for people to buy and sell sex- there's something unhealthy there.
    There's something unhealthy about a mammalian species having a sex drive. You heard it here first, folks.
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    (Original post by You-Rock-My-World)
    looking for a lads holiday, with the obvious intention of visiting hookers for a few nights, but want to stay away from hot spots like Amsterdam.
    why not amsterdam? I'm going there for the 3rd year this year most amazing city ever. Plus you get to eat as much space cakes as you want...and they just make your stay a lot lot more fun!!!
    A hooker did throw a bucket of water over me last year though, coz I couldnt stop laughing at her...wyppsies, she was being over enthusiastic with my head hockey coach though!!
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    (Original post by FormerlyHistoryStudent)
    'I used to work abroad alot with a group of guys, the majority of whom had partners and kids. Sooner or later they would all cheat, with other women or prostitutes etc.. Alot of people came and went and those who would not pay for sex or cheat on their partners were in the minority.

    Yes it does. They like sex, so they pay for it. Sex isn't something sacred and holy. Although it may be to you. To most people it is something fun, enjoyable and satisfying.'

    You don't state outright but it is the impression you get from the way you worded your post - you don't condemn them at all,
    Because it is not my business to condemn them. What you say is irrelevant anyway. If you were to read the post i was replying to, the user stated that she had never met any guys like that and didn't believe men acted in that way. I merely provided a neutral example of which you misunderstood.
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    (Original post by Pedrobear)
    There's something unhealthy about a mammalian species having a sex drive. You heard it here first, folks.
    Yeah, because that's exactly what I said. Great comprehension skills there.
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    On a serious note, most major European cities have an abundance of prostitutes- I've always been under the impression that Prague is the next biggest hotspot behind Amsterdam. The bonus about Prague is everything's cheap and cultural aswell. Win Win situation.
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    Wow, that's pretty worrying. Sounds like a Lord of the Flies type thing.

    No, it's actually extremely common, and has happened for millenia amongst both men and women. You will probably learn or realise this as you grow older. Although i hope not directly.


    I don't see sex as something sacred or holy at all,

    So if there is nothing special about it, then what is wrong with paying for it?

    Sex is a relationship- even if it's with someone you just met, it's still about shared attraction, shared pleasure,
    So is laughter yet i bet you approve of that being sold?

    is twisted.
    According to your sheltered morals it is.


    To see women as good for sex and nothing else is degrading

    So you think that seeing woman comedians as good for entertainment and laughter but nothing else is degrading aswell?

    Pretty much everything is degrading then according to you.

    and you can try and justify it as a business transaction or whatever, but for people to buy and sell sex- there's something unhealthy there.

    Again, only according to your sheltered morals there is. It is an act which is mutually beneficial. The only difference between that an a one night stand is that the woman beneftis by money rather than sexual pleasure. (although she does get that aswell)

    You still haven't said what exactly is wrong with it. You just think it's wrong because it is. I have yet to hear any kind of convinving argument against one consenting indivdiual selling sex to another.



    This just seems like a bit of an excuse to ignore the fact that most prostitutes are doing it because they feel they have to. Most prostitutes in the UK want to leave the industry but don't think they can- there's a statistic somewhere, I'll dig it up if you want it. Many prostitutes have been brought into the industry at a very young age and just don't see a way of leaving, a shocking percentage are addicted to hard drugs.
    Because those individuals like youself who pass condescending judgement like that above, force the business of prostitution into squalid illegality. Which exposes innocents to exploitation and opression. You say you want to legalise it, but you still say it is unhealthy and disgusting etc.. Which means that no woman would choose it as a succesful career path. it will always remain a dead end. Judgement like yours is the same kind which creates a snooty dissaproval of pole dancing, or pornography or strip clubs. but in reality most of those girls are far more worldy, self confident and independant than yourself. perhaps that is why you feel the need to pass pretentious judgment, because you know that is something you could never be? :dontknow:

    You can say 'strong independent women in the world who know exactly what they are doing and take advantage of their bodies'- well, I'm sure there are some, and good for them I guess, but the sad fact is they are the minority.
    because you have met so many consenting prostitutes haven't you? :rolleyes:


    I just think it's a reflection of something really sad and wrong about our society, and shows the undervaluing/warped perception of women that our society has always had historically.
    The warped and degrading view of society comes from judeo christian morals such as yours. That women are only good for quiet wives and mothers, and any show of promiscuity or independence is squalid, dirty and should be frowned upon. If anything these businesses are sexually liberating for women, and the sooner those women are made safer by legalisation, and those women who are being forced against their will into it are taken care of, via state regulation and checks the better.
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    Yeah, because that's exactly what I said. Great comprehension skills there.
    You embellished it with a lot of other nonsense, none of which I'll accept until you back it up with studies and/or statistics. Please stop speaking in chronically general terms about such a complex issue. Failing that, please stop speaking. Full stop.
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    they aren't prostitutes if they give it up for free :p:
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    Wow, that's pretty worrying. Sounds like a Lord of the Flies type thing.




    I don't see sex as something sacred or holy at all, I agree that in a lot of cases it's something fun, enjoyabe and satisfying, and that's fine, if it's enjoyable and fun for both people. Sex is a relationship- even if it's with someone you just met, it's still about shared attraction, shared pleasure, exploring each others bodies, whatever. For someone to completely ignore or disregard the other person's side of it, and essentially just to use them as a masturbation tool is twisted. To see women as good for sex and nothing else is degrading and you can try and justify it as a business transaction or whatever, but for people to buy and sell sex- there's something unhealthy there.



    This just seems like a bit of an excuse to ignore the fact that most prostitutes are doing it because they feel they have to. Most prostitutes in the UK want to leave the industry but don't think they can- there's a statistic somewhere, I'll dig it up if you want it. Many prostitutes have been brought into the industry at a very young age and just don't see a way of leaving, a shocking percentage are addicted to hard drugs. You can say 'strong independent women in the world who know exactly what they are doing and take advantage of their bodies'- well, I'm sure there are some, and good for them I guess, but the sad fact is they are the minority.

    Like I said, I'm for the legalisation of prostitution, so as far as I'm concerned women can do what they like with their bodies and men can buy sex from them. I just think it's a reflection of something really sad and wrong about our society, and shows the undervaluing/warped perception of women that our society has always had historically.
    Agreed.

    There wouldn't be much wrong with a happy, healthy woman willing to have sex for money being paid by men who want sex (apart from, of course, that the guy is obviously quite sad as he has to resort to paying for sex instead of finding it naturally...but whatever, I know I wouldn't want anything to do with him, but it's his life), but it's stemmed from a corrupted system which puts women at risk and traps them in life-destroying cycles for the pleasure and satisfaction of men.

    It would be fine, in principle, if a bit void of meaning... apart from it's obviously not, is the reality, it's totally ****** up.
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    Aeolus, do you still think the relationship between a prostitute and client is a completely equal one even when the prostitute is on drugs, or is a starving streetwalker with a baby to support who sees prostitution as the only thing she can do to earn money, or indeed any prostitute who suffers violence from her client? Do you seriously think that clients who go to streetwalkers see them as being equal to themselves? The client is clearly the one in control, the one who has the money, and they know that if they wanted to they can do pretty much anything to her, beyond what they paid for, without retribution. High-paid escorts can pick and choose however much they like with who they do it with and what acts they do, but I'm willing to bet that very few streetwalkers have the same luxury - they simply cannot afford it, and probably suffer violence from their pimps if they do turn guys away.
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    Bucharest.
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    (Original post by FormerlyHistoryStudent)
    Aeolus, do you still think the relationship between a prostitute and client is a completely equal one even when the prostitute is on drugs, or is a starving streetwalker with a baby to support who sees prostitution as the only thing she can do to earn money,
    How is that any different from a cleaner and her client, when the cleaner is on drugs, or is starving with a baby to support, who sees cleaning for 12 hours a day for a pittance as the only thing she can do to earn money.

    The only difference is sex is it not? She is still being exploited by the hardships and unfairness of society. The only difference between those two desperate scenarios is sex. That is from where your opposition comes, a moral belief that sex is holy and numinous. But i would invite you to explain how selling her body in one form of labour is different to the other.

    or indeed any prostitute who suffers violence from her client?

    If we were to imagine that prostitution was legal and regulated for one moment. Then what would be the difference between a prostitute suffering violence from her client, or a cleaner suffering the same ignomity?

    Do you seriously think that clients who go to streetwalkers see them as being equal to themselves?

    Do you seriously think that clients who go to cheap cleaners see them as being equal to themselves?


    The client is clearly the one in control, the one who has the money, and they know that if they wanted to they can do pretty much anything to her, beyond what they paid for, without retribution.
    Which is why it should be legal and regulated.
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    lativa,polland.
    dude in london there are far less than any other place.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    How is that any different from a cleaner and her client, when the cleaner is on drugs, or is starving with a baby to support, who sees cleaning for 12 hours a day for a pittance as the only thing she can do to earn money.

    The only difference is sex is it not? She is still being exploited by the hardships and unfairness of society. The only difference between those two desperate scenarios is sex. That is from where your opposition comes, a moral belief that sex is holy and numinous. But i would invite you to explain how selling her body in one form of labour is different to the other.




    If we were to imagine that prostitution was legal and regulated for one moment. Then what would be the difference between a prostitute suffering violence from her client, or a cleaner suffering the same ignomity?




    Do you seriously think that clients who go to cheap cleaners see them as being equal to themselves?




    Which is why it should be legal and regulated.
    Cleaning isn't a very good analogy. Then at least she is offering a skill in return. But with a streetwalker, the sex isn't a skill, all it is is having a hole. You could argue that if it was an escort she is offering something which she is skilled at (with the sort of money she can charge for it, she needs to be good), but a streetwalker who is desperate for a quick £5 or £10, all she has to do is stand or lie there and 'be a hole' - all the men want is a quick fix, seeing as they are in an alleyway or wood or whatever and don't want to get discovered, not skilled bedroom antics. And I highly doubt these streetwalkers get much or any pleasure out of it at all.
    Oh, and I don't see sex as something holy or sacred, sorry to disappoint.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    No, it's actually extremely common, and has happened for millenia amongst both men and women. You will probably learn or realise this as you grow older. Although i hope not directly.
    Maybe. I hope not.


    (Original post by Aeolus)
    So if there is nothing special about it, then what is wrong with paying for it?
    I didn't say there's nothing special about it, and I explained what I think's wrong with paying for it.


    (Original post by Aeolus)
    So is laughter yet i bet you approve of that being sold?
    I don't have an opinion on the 'selling of laughter', and I don't see why it's relevent.

    (Original post by Aeolus)
    According to your sheltered morals it is.
    My morals are not sheltered, and I'd appreciate it if you stopped making assumptions about me. I've made it clear all along that this is my opinion, so I'm not sure why you feel the need to jump in and basically say 'that's just your opinion'.


    (Original post by Aeolus)
    So you think that seeing woman comedians as good for entertainment and laughter but nothing else is degrading aswell?

    Pretty much everything is degrading then according to you.
    Yes, it would be if my opinion was that 'seeing someone for only one quality is degrading'. However, I said nothing of the sort, so I'm confused as to why yet again you're basically rewording what I say to suit your argument.


    (Original post by Aeolus)
    Again, only according to your sheltered morals there is. It is an act which is mutually beneficial. The only difference between that an a one night stand is that the woman beneftis by money rather than sexual pleasure. (although she does get that aswell)

    You still haven't said what exactly is wrong with it. You just think it's wrong because it is. I have yet to hear any kind of convinving argument against one consenting indivdiual selling sex to another.
    Then re-read my post, you don't seem to be comprehending it very well.

    (Original post by Aeolus)
    Because those individuals like youself who pass condescending judgement like that above, force the business of prostitution into squalid illegality. Which exposes innocents to exploitation and opression. You say you want to legalise it, but you still say it is unhealthy and disgusting etc.. Which means that no woman would choose it as a succesful career path. it will always remain a dead end. Judgement like yours is the same kind which creates a snooty dissaproval of pole dancing, or pornography or strip clubs. but in reality most of those girls are far more worldy, self confident and independant than yourself. perhaps that is why you feel the need to pass pretentious judgment, because you know that is something you could never be? :dontknow:
    You can try and blame 'individuals like myself' for everything that's wrong about prostitution, but I'm pro legalisation, like I said, so that's a pretty ridiculous assertion. I would never judge a prostitute on her career. Poledancing/strip clubs/pornography are very different industries, and I imagine the girls doing these jobs have a lot more independence than the average prostitute, so it's besides the point really.

    I've said nothing whatsoever to judge prostitutes, simply because I don't judge them. This thread is about clients of prostitutes, and that's who I've been judging. I don't appreciate the unfounded accusations, thanks.


    (Original post by Aeolus)
    because you have met so many consenting prostitutes haven't you? :rolleyes:
    No, of course I haven't, and I never claimed I had. So what?

    (Original post by Aeolus)
    The warped and degrading view of society comes from judeo christian morals such as yours. That women are only good for quiet wives and mothers, and any show of promiscuity or independence is squalid, dirty and should be frowned upon. If anything these businesses are sexually liberating for women, and the sooner those women are made safer by legalisation, and those women who are being forced against their will into it are taken care of, via state regulation and checks the better.
    My morals are anything but judeo-christian, trust me. I'm a feminist and am very pro sexual liberation, and a woman's right to have casual sex. Like I said, you know very little about me. And like I said, I'm pro legalisation, so agree with your last statement. Not sure what you're trying to prove there.


    I've responded to your post but so you know unless your next post is significantly less agressive I won't reply again. I'm not going to debate with you if you're being hostile and accusatory. I'm very happy to share my opinion with you and debate my points, but not when your attitude's what it was in this post.
 
 
 
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