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    (Original post by Miss_Scarlett)
    I agree with that entirely, and I appreciate your point of view. But the majority of one's opinions are formed by previous experience so if a guy or girl has been treated like **** by a member of the opposite sex, perhaps even more than once, its very difficult to change that opinion.

    I hear what you are saying about guys, and I honestly do try to bare in mind what you are saying...but I will always be very wary of their intentions and therefor integrity. It's all too easy to lie to get what you want, and then walk away after. I know thats not all guys, but I have to say I have seen a lot of guys do that. I suppose women too, but I wouldnt have experienced that as I dont bat for that team :p:
    I said exactly that in my post; we get along so well we should make secks!
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    simple - if you have a problem with girls being up themselves then stop looking for such girls. And the reason why sluts don't go for "nice" guys is because bad guys are easier to get and there is no shyness barrier. When a girl goes for a bad guy she knows what she is getting herself into. It is easy to tell from his circle of friends and they way people act towards him. Also you shouldn't categorise guys into "nice" and "dicks" because there is also such thing as normal or ordinary.
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    OP - I thought your original post was good, and accurate for perhaps half of the girls I know. The other half are the complete polar opposite of the description you've written.

    I'm not going to say 'you're generalising', as you tackled that in your post: I can't remember the exact phrasing, something like "we make assumptions based on our experiences". Surely it works the other way around; if most of the experiences girls have had with guys are the 'bad guy' type, then it stands to reason they would be just as wary and annoyed at guys as you seem to be with girls. However, you acknowledge that 'not every girl is like this', and this works the other way round too - girls acknowledge that 'not every guy is like that', and know nice guys are around.

    I don't actually like the whole 'bad boy' thing, and have settled myself down with a 'nice guy' - it happens, I've seen it happen with the majority of my friends too. Perhaps you're not socialising with the right sorts of people OP?
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    For real i think that your talking nothing but sense, you must be a really decent guy,,, if only all guys were like you, and all girls, acknowledged what you were saying
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    (Original post by n0c0ntr0l)
    Heh, I'll actually stick up for my mate here (he's OP).

    YOu have noooo idea how wrong you are babe about him. First of all, he's not a needy nice guy. Quite the opposite. Secondly you're sooo wrong about looks, they matter by a very small factor if you have everything else a girl wants. As for backbone and personality, LOL, this is the same guy that on a good night will turn away 8-10 girls, he's picky and he has lots to pick from.

    In all honest I think you are the one that sounds bitter, you said that you've been burned, lol, don't take it out on him, fix yourself. Here's a bible quote for you: Take the plank out of your own eye before you take the spec out of mine.
    How patronising.
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    (Original post by Muffinz)
    How patronising.
    Deliberate patronization too! Well picked up on :yes:
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    (Original post by vilage_idoit)
    Long thread - no need to tl;dr as I don't care whether you personally, read it or not.
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    I'm a girl, but I do agree with you rant.
    Many of the girls I hang out with (though not all) do seem to treat boys like garbage because they're "dicks". Hmm...so how does that make them any better?
    Yep, 2 sides to every coin.
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    You keep saying "not all guys..." etc etc but not all girls are like you describe.
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    because they can't find anybody else to venture into that hairy, stinking, sometimes crusted orifice.
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    i didnt read all of it word for word...but the bits i did read i do agree but like u said it is a double sided coin, but u have to remember just like most men arent dicks lots of women arent like this i do not believe in one night stands i believe the person you do, do it with you should care about...n its nice tht you believe that you should treat a girl with honesty and respect x
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    Kudos to the OP for articulating this, and even more for acknowledging that this does not apply to all girls -- that alone has probably invalidated many typical responses.

    It is true, as numerous people within this thread have stated, that the majority of guys at this age have sex as a primary goal when dealing with girls. I don't think this majority is as high as some suggest -- from my (limited and somewhat biased) experience, it's probably around 60-70% at the most.

    I do, however, think that the voices of the loudest speak for the majority. This is true for both genders; the boys who only approach girls for sex tend to be the same boys who draw attention to themselves the most, and likewise for the girls who complain about being approached so much. From what little I've seen, the girls who behave like this are not in the majority, but those who don't share these views tend to be more quiet and reserved -- not least because they feel no need to complain about boys so much.

    Another point that a lot of people overlook is that there is a very clear difference between guarding yourself against the possibility of something bad happening and simply assuming that it will happen in the face of contradictory evidence. As someone earlier in this thread stated, it's perfectly fair to be wary of boys who only look for sex. It is not perfectly fair to assume that every person (without exception) is looking for sex and proactively humiliate them accordingly.

    Consider the situation of a man who lives on a flood plain estate. It is reasonable for him to try to defend his house against flood damage, possibly even by moving house (which would be analogous to simply not interacting with any guy reasonably likely to have sex as a primary motive). On the other hand, very few people would argue that this man would be allowed to simply assume that a flood is coming every day, even in the middle of a drought, and act on this by emptying his and his neighbours' houses of valuable possessions and moving them to distant higher ground, deriving malicious pleasure in doing so (which is analogous to protecting yourself and those around you from "sexual predators" regardless of the collateral damage). Let's say this his neighbours complain -- if this man were to dismiss their complaints because his neighbours didn't know what they were talking about, simply because they were not him and were thus completely ignorant, he would rightly be seen as delusional and a menace to the community.

    Many girls who complain about being taken advantage of have valid points, but once again, it's not acceptable to project this negativity onto any people that they'll meet in future. Thankfully, most girls recognise this and deal with it in their own way (for example, by avoiding the "bad boys", even if they feel less attracted to the people they''ll date as a result, or simply avoid dating entirely until the majority populace has matured), but there are some who prefer to "take revenge on the male race" as if the gender functions as a single entity and shamelessly exploit anyone who approaches them in much the same manner. I don't think I need to elaborate on why this behaviour is despicable.

    To those on the "you're an insecure nice guy" bandwagon, let's set aside the evidence to the contrary. Does that make the views being expressed any less valid? The OP has made a point of avoiding making any generalisations, and the people he is talking about really do behave like this a decent portion of the time. Belonging to a certain group doesn't make your arguments suddenly carry no weight, and to suggest otherwise is coming dangerously close to a "Hitler said XYZ, so it's wrong" point of view.

    In anticipation of the replies I'll inevitably get accusing me of being a "nice guy" -- you're partly right. I do tend to be nicer to people than necessary, but I do this regardless of whether or not they're girls that I'm looking to attract. Despite this (if it needs to be in spite of it at all), I have no problem standing up for my points of view publicly or asking for things that I want (which, by the way, doesn't really include sex, although I don't look down on others who are open about wanting it), and have no patience with girls who assume I'm looking for sex when I so much as start a conversation.
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    (Original post by Helmar)
    You keep saying "not all guys..." etc etc but not all girls are like you describe.
    Perhaps actually reading my thread would help
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    I agree with pretty much all you say. Not all guys are bad. But the 'bad' guys can be good sometimes and the 'good' guys can be bad sometimes. I knew this one guy and he was considered a player, but he was really nice and he was also in the army(defending his country but also harming other people. Good or bad?. Another guy I knew is and was a really good man but he has hurt me before, and has even done something mean to another girl before.
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    Jesus ******* H bloody Christ I've written coursework essays longer than that post!
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    (Original post by EmiPark)
    I agree with pretty much all you say. Not all guys are bad. But the 'bad' guys can be good sometimes and the 'good' guys can be bad sometimes. I knew this one guy and he was considered a player, but he was really nice and he was also in the army(defending his country but also harming other people. Good or bad?. Another guy I knew is and was a really good man but he has hurt me before, and has even done something mean to another girl before.
    Yeah that;s another thing to look out for, but if you're wary it shouldn't be too much of a problem.
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    I'm gunna have to say I agree with OP too. Funny how most guys are positive about this and most girls negative? He'll definitely be getting rep from me in a minute. As a guy I have to say girls have treated me far worse than any male friend of mine (or myself, for that matter) has treated or does treat girls. One of my exes gave her ex boyfriend head while I was still in the same room. Another got off with someone without even trying to make sure I wasn't looking and another repeatedly kissed/got topless on webcam/told me she fancied other guys and as-near-as-makes-no-difference raped me one more than one occasion. The last one, if I'd treated her in the same way (forced myself on her, ripped off her clothes pushing myself on her, repeatedly sworn at her for not being sexual back) she would have grounds to file several sexual assault charges against me. As it is, most people have a go at me for not standing up to her, and it's somehow more ok because she's a girl. I've had more exes treat me like **** than I've had exes that haven't and I've treated all of them (regardless of how they've treated me) with the utmost respect and care throughout our relationships.

    Girls can be abusive and generally **** people in relationships and get away with it, whereas a guy has far more restrictions on his personality and actions. I think when this barrier has been broken down there will be far fewer problems between guys and girls as far as preconceptions and stereotypes go. Girls take for granted that guys will do a lot to get into bed with them. I know a lot of my friends just don't take any money with them when they go out and flirt with a guy until they get given a drink and then move on to the next one. Why should a guy treat this girl with respect if she has so little for him in return?
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    I think this bugs you a little too much.

    Just like not all guys are after sex, not all girls assume that either. I aggree with the whole taking advantage thing- if you get drunk, you deserve the consequences, though again, not all people think your a rapist for taking advantage of a drunk girl (I personally dont like to, because a meaningless pull is just..well..meaningless).

    Yeah, most guys have feelings, and DO care about being intimate. I get the impression your using the excuse of "all girls are stuck up" for why your having a hard time with relationships.
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    I do agree with the OP and don't think he's making generalisations, but this thread is so negative.
    There are great guys out there, and there are great girls out there. What makes an ideal partner for one person, would make a partner from hell for the next. Of course, there are going to be traits which will never be appealing, but not everybody wants the same things out of a relationship (Especially not at this age anyway). Some people want someone who they can feel committed to whereas others aren't so fussed about that and are just up for it. That's just the way it is, sadly.
    It may look as if the majority of girls are ****gish or the majority of guys are dicks, but the chances are they haven't grown up yet, and anyone who knows what they want will know whether or not they'd make a good partner and know to run a mile if ever they were approached by them.
    So lets not all be so negative! There are plenty of great people out there who wouldn't want to hurt anyone intentionally, have strong morals and values and who want the same things you do!
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    Yeah, OP, in my experience there are two sorts of girls: those that are not like this, and the attractive ones. It's the whole bad-boy vs good-guy turned female, and it's the confidence that does it in both cases. So over the past years I've had a string of girlfriends not because of their personality, but because they looked like they'd be a lot of fun to **** the **** out of. Contrary to popular opinion, this isn't because I'm shallow. It's simply that I so far haven't met a single girl who is very attractive, not a ***** and intelligent at the same time. I'll let you know if I ever find the holy grail.
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    (Original post by Azer)
    Yeah, OP, in my experience there are two sorts of girls: those that are not like this, and the attractive ones. It's the whole bad-boy vs good-guy turned female, and it's the confidence that does it in both cases. So over the past years I've had a string of girlfriends not because of their personality, but because they looked like they'd be a lot of fun to **** the **** out of. Contrary to popular opinion, this isn't because I'm shallow. It's simply that I so far haven't met a single girl who is very attractive, not a ***** and intelligent at the same time. I'll let you know if I ever find the holy grail.
    It's easier to just smash them and others. This is OK only if you let the girl know your intentions and be honest.

    Trust me - it works. Girls love a confident guy who will treat them nice, it's just slightly annoying that some girls refuse to give me a chance because I must be a ****.
 
 
 
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