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    From the past few decades (especially the 60s), students have been linked with political activism.

    Does anyone get the impression that students are becoming more, and more passive?

    At my university, and others I have been to, the political activists tend to be a small minority. They usually hang around on their lonely stand, attempting to hand out leaflets; however, most people just seem to want to get on with their work or get involved in non-political activities. Most students generally seem to view such activists (mainly the SWP) as annoying.

    Apart from the odd 'individual', most students also seem quite uniformed in their dress and appearance.

    Do you agree with this? Is it a good thing, or a bad thing?

    On a side note, it's also fairly clear that students are less left-wing than before.
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    Yes. Students all read The Guardian, hate the Daily Mail and the BNP but they don't do anything about it because they don't need to. Society isn't as crap as it once was. Students have their loans, grants, jobs, beer, XBoxes, Laptops etc and are happy with that.
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    (Original post by Joseph90)
    Yes. Students all read The Guardian, hate the Daily Mail and the BNP but they don't do anything about it because they don't need to. Society isn't as crap as it once was. Students have their loans, grants, jobs, beer, XBoxes, Laptops etc and are happy with that.
    This. And no one can be arsed anymore.
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    Once we start losing our comforts, and our rights, we'll maybe start to care again:\.
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    We're all middle-class now. :rolleyes:
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    There are a few political nuts around.

    At the end of the day though most people I know are more inclined to be bothered about passing ones degree with a view to making a living, rather than worrying about the plight of the working classes or the palestinians.
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    (Original post by Star Scream)
    From the past few decades (especially the 60s), students have been linked with political activism.

    Does anyone get the impression that students are becoming more, and more passive?

    At my university, and others I have been to, the political activists tend to be a small minority. They usually hang around on their lonely stand, attempting to hand out leaflets; however, most people just seem to want to get on with their work or get involved in non-political activities. Most students generally seem to view such activists (mainly the SWP) as annoying.

    Apart from the odd 'individual', most students also seem quite uniformed in their dress and appearance.

    Do you agree with this? Is it a good thing, or a bad thing?

    On a side note, it's also fairly clear that students are less left-wing than before.

    Italian here.
    From my perspective, English people are apathy itself.
    I sometimes think you could rape an Englishman's mother in the arse and he wouldn't protest.

    As for student protests in particular, the situation is perhaps even worse. I've been at uni in Italy and I can assure you that everytime the government wanted to implement a decision that wasn't fully agreed upon by the students, thousands of students were storming the streets and sometimes even engaging in slightly illegal activities. I remember even my secondary school was "occupied" (that means students taking over the school and suspending lectures) for weeks.
    Sometimes things could get violent or out of hand, and for uni protests there are always hundreds (literally) of policemen in full combat gear.

    On a side note, it was really cool.



    To try to keep this on, I went to the protest of my uni against teaching cuts. We were ehm...15 people? Even though the cuts were huge and affected directly the students (unlike the ones in Italy that were always more subtle). If cuts like the recent ones in the UK happened in any other country, I see riot, hundreds of cops, politicians involved, the whole public opinion on it, etc.

    English people are the prototype for an obedient slave. But I also think the large amount of foreign students deeply affect the lack of student protests, because it's harder to have the vision of being a compact group and "all brothers" when it's full of people so socially different.
    With many that don't speak English (such as myself ahah).
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    (Original post by Frieza)
    Italian here.
    From my perspective, English people are apathy itself.
    I sometimes think you could rape an Englishman's mother in the arse and he wouldn't protest.
    And yet, Britain has been one of the most stable, liberal countries in Europe, especially compared to Italy.

    There are both positives and negatives.
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    (Original post by Star Scream)
    And yet, Britain has been one of the most stable, liberal countries in Europe, especially compared to Italy.

    There are both positives and negatives.
    We're a less free country than Italy though.

    And we have an authoritarian socialist government which could almost come straight out of Orwell. One which will play any trick in the book to cling to undeserved power so they can continue to expand and exert a twisted, corrupt influence on the country.

    ^That statement ought to irritate the guardian readers :p:
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    (Original post by Star Scream)
    And yet, Britain has been one of the most stable, liberal countries in Europe, especially compared to Italy.

    There are both positives and negatives.
    I was in no way trying to compare the 2 countries. Yes, there are pros and cons in both.

    Just to stay on topic, the fact that a country is "stable" is surely not good thing. I just shows how the ruling class is powerful. How the people are less likely to fight for their rights.
    North Korea is stable, you know?




    And as for "liberal", if you mean economic liberalism... I wouldn't be proud of that. As for socially liberal, I believe Italy is more liberal than your Orwellian society (except for the religious bigotry, I have to admit).
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    (Original post by CrookedLegs)
    And no one can be arsed anymore.
    Totally true. Also I kind of think students are realising that they don't have any power to change anything really... the bigger the fuss you make, the longer your sentence. Protests on the whole lead to red tape which leads to yet another non-conclusion and not much change at all. Especially if the government thinks that those doing the protesting will one day be "respectable" middle class citizens with volkswagens and a house with a patio in Surrey, why not ignore them because they won't be doing it anymore in fifteen years time.
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    Join the debating or politics society, and if the party you support has a society, join that too. I'm a member of DebSoc and everyone there cares about politics. Plus my courses modules are often political, so again a lot of people seem interested in politics. Though that might be me actively searching them out too much, and in reality I'm blind to the true extent of student apathy.

    I hope you're right when you say students are less left-wing now, I do think libertarianism is on the rise, but again that might just be who I choose to hang around with. I infer from your post, OP, that you support the SWP? They're an absolute disgrace!
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    Not just students, the English in general aren't very revolutionary.
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    I dont think its a bad thing that students are becoming less active in revolutional ideologises, but its not necessarily a good thing, students throughout all of History have been the ones that have normally pushed for reform, think of Russia in the late 1800s the students pushed for the emancipation of the serfs and indeed played parts later on through the century. why? because they dont really have anything to lose they are just starting out, most dont have families to support and can afford to do such things they have the time, the energy and indeed the determination to stand against the system. Some people just put it down to rebellious youngsters wanting to rebel against their elders but i dont think its just that. Perhaps the reason students are no longer so active is because they have nothing to rebel against? perhaps they are actually happy with the system? the introduction of tuition fees and indeed the proposal of them increasing has caused some ripples in the pond but strudents have a national union with contacts within the government who are indeed fighting for the tuition fees not to rise or indeed go down. perhaps students no longer feel that they have to have such active, public demonstrations because the government listens...or it could be the fact that they no longer give a ****
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    Because they find politics boring?
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    (Original post by there's too much love)
    Once we start losing our comforts, and our rights, we'll maybe start to care again:\.
    Students have never had it so bad really. We may be materially better off than in the past, but a great many of us are mortgaging our youth for a few extra pints of beer.

    (Original post by terpineol)
    There are a few political nuts around.

    At the end of the day though most people I know are more inclined to be bothered about passing ones degree with a view to making a living, rather than worrying about the plight of the working classes or the palestinians.
    Well, plenty of politically inclined students take their politics very seriously with a view to making a living in the future. Many do see university 'activism' - obviously in the mainstream parties only - as a way of building up contacts and getting a job.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    Students have never had it so bad really. We may be materially better off than in the past, but a great many of us are mortgaging our youth for a few extra pints of beer.



    Well, plenty of politically inclined students take their politics very seriously with a view to making a living in the future. Many do see university 'activism' - obviously in the mainstream parties only - as a way of building up contacts and getting a job.
    I can't speak about the past in such terms however my point is about material wealth. We have our comforts, and for the moment, enough rights (at least that's what I take the majority view to be).
    I'm of cours enot saying any of this is a good thing.
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    (Original post by Frieza)
    Italian here.
    From my perspective, English people are apathy itself.
    I sometimes think you could rape an Englishman's mother in the arse and he wouldn't protest.
    Absolutely. British "tolerance" is not tolerance at all, but apathy and a demoralized population that have beaten in to submission.
    Aristotle: "Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society!"

    As for the student activist fruit-cakes. There's STACKS of them at my old uni, and they CONSTANTLY bombard you with their views, and hassle you to get involved in their cause.

    They're SO self-righteous, I think I'd be absolutely flamed and probably burned on the heath if I dared voice my opinion, or in fact ANY opinion that isn't what they agree with. They're so immersed in their own little group, and I believe they genuinely DO think everybody else thinks like them, and some of them are going in to politics as a career....

    It's these same people that edit and control the content of the student newspapers as well, they've got the "Antonio Gramsci" idea of winning the culture war down to a T. And still they view themselves as "dissidents.":mute:

    Same old causes as well: "Free Palestine,"......... "Smash the BNP,"......"go veggie"........"stop shaving your hairy twot to conserve energy"........."save the polar bears"......."we DEMAND an end to climate change RIGHT NOW!"........ "Down with America,".........."End Capitalism, roll on the Revolution." etc etc etc....

    All whilst dressed in Che Guevara T-shirts, hippy badges, the usual, it's all so predictable... They sometimes barricade themselves in university lecture rooms for several days as well - something to do with "Solidarity" :dontknow:

    Occasionally I catch them sobbing, over the shear over-burdening embarrassment and shame at being white, and even engaging in self-flagellation to cleanse themselves of post-colonial guilt. :p: I jest.

    What next? White weedy liberal students walking around in chains and offering themselves to African-Caribbean students to apologize for the slave trade?:woo: You can hope!
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    yes, way less! They are decadent and boring
 
 
 
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