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    (Original post by rajandkwameali)
    People should always be nice.
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    (Original post by rajandkwameali)
    am i going to hear the oft-spoken phrase "intelligence means jack!"? lol..

    if you will cite this, please rationally and objectively state why (or at least say so beyond any colloquial belief, which is the ultimate root of such a standpoint).
    No, of course intelligence counts for a lot in society, but what decides how you can judge a person is based on morals. It sounds pretty hazy but thats what people should aim for, I know I do my best to do so. So for example the fact that I am off to university to study an intellectually challenging course doesn't stop me from having friends who can't even muster the grades to get in anywhere, in fact I have a few, and I don't think I'm better than them, I often think they could be more ambitious but why should that make them a lesser person?

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    wow lol this guy is a prick
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    I don't endorse those views at all.
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    (Original post by gingergooner)
    No, of course intelligence counts for a lot in society, but what decides how you can judge a person is based on morals. It sounds pretty hazy but thats what people should aim for, I know I do my best to do so. So for example the fact that I am off to university to study an intellectually challenging course doesn't stop me from having friends who can't even muster the grades to get in anywhere, in fact I have a few, and I don't think I'm better than them, I often think they could be more ambitious but why should that make them a lesser person?

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    wow lol this guy is a prick
    I think you're just putting forward your own belief, not fact.
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    (Original post by rajandkwameali)
    I think you're just putting forward your own belief, not fact.
    This entire conversation is subjective, but I think I'll find it easier to socialise and meet a variety of people than you will. Do you have many friends who you don't consider to be very intelligent?
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    (Original post by gingergooner)
    This entire conversation is subjective, but I think I'll find it easier to socialise and meet a variety of people than you will. Do you have many friends who you don't consider to be very intelligent?
    I have more of an affinity to intelligent people. Birds of a feather flock together.
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    (Original post by rajandkwameali)
    I have more of an affinity to intelligent people. Birds of a feather flock together.
    Haha... then you are calling me stupid. But you don't know me. I pretty much rest my case.
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    I do not know you, granted. However, I believe it is our right to choose with whom to associate. Most reasonable people would not dismiss this.
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    (Original post by rajandkwameali)
    I don't endorse those views at all.
    So you wrote them... why?
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    (Original post by rajandkwameali)
    I do not know you, granted. However, I believe it is our right to choose with whom to associate. Most reasonable people would not dismiss this.
    Yeah, I naturally choose them on the basis of whether or not we have the same interests, that could be in sport, in music, in sense of humour or in academics. But if I was only ever to make intellectual discussion with my friends I think I'd go mental. This is why I don't want to just make friends with people on my course, but with anyone interesting I find. So I go back to the argument that you aren't open minded enough if you only have intellectual friends.
    At the same time we are who we are, I don't like you, you probably don't like me, but neither will change the other, so I'm going to let this one die.
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    I attended a 'below average comprehensive in an area of relative depravity' (to quote Ofsted) so no, I don't look down on people you'd call underclass/scallies because I've grown up around them all my life and know their circumstances a lot more than other people. Even coming from such a place, I've done very well for myself thankyou very much.
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    (Original post by gingergooner)
    Yeah, I naturally choose them on the basis of whether or not we have the same interests, that could be in sport, in music, in sense of humour or in academics. But if I was only ever to make intellectual discussion with my friends I think I'd go mental. This is why I don't want to just make friends with people on my course, but with anyone interesting I find. So I go back to the argument that you aren't open minded enough if you only have intellectual friends.
    At the same time we are who we are, I don't like you, you probably don't like me, but neither will change the other, so I'm going to let this one die.
    I always was taught that nobody owed anybody else friendship, and this in truth is how most people live.

    People may chat and be friendly, but this doesn't mean they're your friend. You can obfuscate, but cannot deny this is the truth.
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    (Original post by rajandkwameali)
    I always was taught that nobody owed anybody else friendship, and this in truth is how most people live.

    People may chat and be friendly, but this doesn't mean they're your friend. You can obfuscate, but cannot deny this is the truth.
    Why are you talking about the line between friends and acquaintances? I don't see the relevance:confused:
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    This whole, "I don't think better I'm than anybody" stuff is pretentious codswallop. If people didn't try to better themselves, nobody would be motivated to do anything. We are constantly taking action to improve ourselves, particularly people on here, and most notably, people who broadcast their brilliant grades and what university they attend. If you didn't believe getting an A were better than getting a C, why the hell would you bother working ten times harder to get the grade? So, Mr well-rounded, Oxbridge first honours graduate professional careersman, please don't tell me you can honestly look at that layabout alcoholic tramp (who has Cs apparently!), and believe that you, by your own reckoning, are no better than he is...

    Anybody who takes action to improve their life, looks down (in some sense) on somebody who has not taken any such action. We would not take such action if it didn't serve the purpose of bettering ourselves, and in turn, subordinating others.

    I have no problem with somebody who admits that generally they believe they are "better" than another person. I just cannot stand well-rounded people who claim that they don't believe they are better than anybody else. Stop being so bloody pretentious.
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    (Original post by gingergooner)
    Why are you talking about the line between friends and acquaintances? I don't see the relevance:confused:
    lol....

    You're not presenting your case well enough.

    Now, please state to me that nobody ever is judgmental?

    The only conclusion I can find from your collective points is that people are open and tolerant, but you accept persons are also judgmental, but you accept people have prejudices, and prejudices are part of the human condition.

    I can find plenty of threads on this message board, filled with posts of admission of racism, sexism, homophobia, anti-fat people, etc.

    The fact is human beings are what we are - we are not always benevolent. Look at the Indian murder in Australia. Look at the murder of the African worker in Italy. Both countries are notoriously racist, as far as Western countries go. And this isn't prejudice or being judgmental?

    I'm going to leave since you (in a collective sense) are not making much sense. My parting point is that perhaps you should realise that life is complex and shades of grey, not absolute and binary, with people either being x or y.
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    (Original post by rajandkwameali)
    lol....

    You're not presenting your case well enough.

    Now, please state to me that nobody ever is judgmental?

    The only conclusion I can find from your collective points is that people are open and tolerant, but you accept persons are also judgmental, but you accept people have prejudices, and prejudices are part of the human condition.

    I can find plenty of threads on this message board, filled with posts of admission of racism, sexism, homophobia, anti-fat people, etc.

    The fact is human beings are what we are - we are not always benevolent. Look at the Indian murder in Australia. Look at the murder of the African worker in Italy. Both countries are notoriously racist, as far as Western countries go. And this isn't prejudice or being judgmental?

    I'm going to leave since you (in a collective sense) are not making much sense. My parting point is that perhaps you should realise that life is complex and shades of grey, not absolute and binary, with people either being x or y.
    The whole point is why should we stand for discrimination, the whole thing makes me sick! I guess thats what I'm trying to get across, people need to be more open minded and accepting. Im not suggesting discrimination doesn't happen, I'm saying its morally unacceptable.

    The fact that there are shades of grey is actually quite apt for my argument, considering it means that you shouldn't group someone less intelligent, articulated or someone not as well dressed as you as a lesser person. By looking down your nose at them you are already categorising them into x or y and therefore you are discounting the possibility they could ever surprise you. It is a matter of optimism.
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    (Original post by rajandkwameali)
    Yes, everybody is different.

    However, you (collectively) have not answered my point concerning existing prejudices in the world. Can you state you have no prejudices?
    I don't deny having prejudices - it's natural for humans. But holding on to these prejudices isn't going to help anyone.

    It's because so many people keep holding on to these prejudices that there are so many existing prejudices in the world. The first impression of somebody doesn't necessarily show the true personality of them.

    When people meet me initially, they see me as someone who is shy, and some even infer that it means I lack confidence, I can't stand up for myself, I'm just another 'yes' person. Whereas none of this is true - as most people find out when they get to know me. It's just that when I first meet someone, I'm trying to figure out what sort of person they are (not prejudging here, it's more a natural curiosity in the way in which people think), so I'm listening more than talking - which tends to give the impression I'm shy, apparently.

    My point is, someone may seem stupid because they have no opinion on something you feel strongly about, or don't know about a certain topic that is common knowledge etc. but it doesn't mean they are stupid. Thinking that you're better than them (for whatever reason) isn't going to help you. What if you need these people because they have something that can help you that you don't? What if you went to a restaurant and had misconceptions about the waiters there? What if the fact that you think you're better than them was rather obvious to them? What if you had some life-threatening allergy (and I, by no means, wish this on you or anyone for that matter) and one of the waiters was able to save your life? Would you still look down your nose on him? For all you know he could have been working as a waiter to pay for university, he could be a med student. Do you see what I'm getting at?

    Yes, it's natural to have prejudices towards people, but don't let these make you think you're better than someone else. After all, no one is perfect.
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    In my area, if you don't give randoms screwfaces.. .. people are going to walk all over you.
 
 
 
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