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    (Original post by unknownpleasures)
    Are you actually being serious?

    Who the hell are you to judge whether their lives are worth living?
    I'm not claiming to be somebody important I am just looking at the situation logically without letting my emotions get the better of me. If a person was dying infront of you and you had the chance to save them, but if they did you knew they would live an extremely miserable life would it not be kinder to let them die out of pity? The earthquake also happened naturally, no one caused it so its not anyones responsibility to have to give aid. Sometimes hard decisions have to be made for the greater good.
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    (Original post by atheistwithfaith)
    Sometimes you see controversial threads on TSR which bring up quite an interesting point to debate. However, this is not one of those.

    Yes they may have a poor quality of life, but they are 42 on the happiest countries list for 2009 so it can't be that bad there.

    More to the point - we are not trying to improve quality of life or alter the way a country is governed - thats for its people to change, we are trying to STOP PEOPLE DYING.

    This.
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    (Original post by WackyJun)
    I prefer Ferrari's. Or a Jaaaagggg...
    i want the car daniel craig was driving in casino royal
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDKRoljtrLM
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    (Original post by Unknown?)
    This might upset people to hear this but I don't see the point in giving money to Hati because truthfully the country was a dump before the earthquake and I think no matter how much money you donate the people's quality of life is still going to be very poor. The country is flooded with crime, rape and murder and in light of the earthquake probably an increase in looting.

    It doesn't matter how much money you give, Haiti has recieved aid in the past because after decades of bad government allowing crime to go on, rape itself was only made a criminal offence in 2005 the crime becomes part of a country's culture and many people's way of life.

    What good is the aid we give them? We'll fix them up a little because the pictures of their suffering will make us feel bad and then we will leave only for the same problems to continue. Who wants to live like that? What kind of life are we leaving them in? If I lived on Haiti I would probably rather die than be barely kept alive only to live a life in a poorly built slum, poor education and live in a country filled with crime and poverty. Where's the happiness and purpose in my life? What have I got to look forward too?

    Do you think the money you donate today is going to help this little girl in Haiti http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnklOtfJRSE ? Likely is it isn't, she's still going to be a slave.

    So tell me? How can you feel a sense of pride in donating a few pounds knowing your only helping continue the existence of these poor people? No matter what you do your efforts are fruitless, some things even money can't fix.
    oh dear....
    There's something wrong in that head of yours, seriously.
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    (Original post by tinktinktinkerbell)
    i want the car daniel craig was driving in casino royal
    Oooohhhhhhh! Was that not an Aston Martin? I can only dream...

    I wonder if the people of Haiti like Aston Martins?
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    (Original post by Static_Meteorite)
    oh dear....
    There's something wrong in that head of yours, seriously.
    Or there could be something wrong in everyone elses?
    Just because the majority of people have an opposing view to mine doesn't discredit the truth and facts in my views.
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    (Original post by Unknown?)
    I'm not claiming to be somebody important I am just looking at the situation logically without letting my emotions get the better of me. If a person was dying infront of you and you had the chance to save them, but if they did you knew they would live an extremely miserable life would it not be kinder to let them die out of pity? The earthquake also happened naturally, no one caused it so its not anyone responsibility to have to give aid. Sometimes hard decisions have to be made for the greater good.
    I'm absolutely dumbfounded. I really don't know where to start with that post. Do you really, honestly, think that allowing thousands of people to die over the coming days is a better fate for them than attempting to help, even if their life afterwards might be difficult? In what universe does that represent 'the greater good'? Fair enough if you don't want to donate any money yourself, but you're on seriously slippery ground here when you start to make judgements about the value of someone's life. It's not that much of a leap from "oh we might as well leave them to die - it's not like their lives were worth living anyway" to "well, there are a lot of people suffering in the world... Perhaps it would be kinder if we finished them off now, you know. Just one of those hard decisions you have to make for the greater good".

    I really hope you're trolling, because I find it hard to believe anyone could be so cold-hearted.
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    Yes, giving AIDs to Haiti is very, very cruel.

    Jokes aside. I don't think the purpose of the Relief Aid is to ensure a better future for the citizens of Haiti; it's about providing Aid when it's desperately needed - which is right now.
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    THIS IS MAKING ME SICK.
    Companies can get into millions of pounds of debt to invest into corrupt corporations. YET when peoples lives are at risk, and let me say something, the body count will continue to rise till there is sufficient Aid provided. Yet when peoples lives are being crossed off like they are just a name on a list, governments cannot lend this money to finance Charity groups who are concerned about the wellfare of a human being just like me or you. I dont entirely agree with funding charities in this way to remove poverty from large areas of the world, because that will never happen. BUT WHEN 2 YEAR OLD BOYS AND GIRLS ARE BEING PULLED FROM RUBBLE FROM SIBLINGS TRYING TO FIND THEIR PARENTS AND OTHER RELATIVES. WHERE IS THE JUSTIFICATION OF NOT HELPING. its making me detest the exsitance of developed countries. (sorry my spelling again)
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    (Original post by tinktinktinkerbell)
    how have you helped?
    donated £450 raised through charity work +£50 of my own, yourself?
    dont give bs i am really really angry
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    (Original post by tinktinktinkerbell)
    i would rather give my money to poor little animals than to people whove just basically had a dose of karma
    Everyone?

    A nuclear strike or even earthquake in this country would be the same ('karma') because we have gangs, yobs, hooligans and corrupt war-mongering politicians?

    Damn, karma has been *******ised in the west.
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    poor people are useful kept alive because they can be cheap labour....don't hide away from the opportunities capitalism provides
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    Start thinking of them as people and not as statistics. Children don't have parents anymore, babies who have just been born have nowhere to sleep, thousands of people are still buried under the buildings. People are expected to die at an earlier age there, and have a lower quality of life but that's no reason to not care, their life expectancy certainly isn't going to increase if people don't donate, so they can't get any food or medical help.

    If people have any spare money and any emotion at all, they should donate.
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    Giving Aid to Haiti is certainly not cruel, actually quite the opposite. I understand your point of view, but as mentioned earlier, we should really be helping them to at least recover, not letting them get worse.
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    (Original post by Antithesis)
    OP, I disagree. Aid relief is absolutely vital.

    We should support Haiti heavily in this time of disaster, and we should also work for long-term recovery and solutions. I understand that this is a country of terrifying prospects, but I hardly think we can say that aid is worthless, or imply things along the line of 'at least the earthquake has put them out of their misery'.

    I agree that it is a country of painfully deep flaws and incomprehensible tragedy. But if we don't even give aid, the situation will be even worse. We will have compounded the insecurities of Haiti with mass starvation, disease, dehydration, and homelessness. It is not as though not giving anything will suddenly mean Haiti as a problem disappears.

    There are so many tragedies, and it is all so overwhelming. Haiti deserves our support. I don't think we really get to decide that people's lives are not worth living.
    I agree with this. :thumbsup:
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    (Original post by unknownpleasures)
    I'm absolutely dumbfounded. I really don't know where to start with that post. Do you really, honestly, think that allowing thousands of people to die over the coming days is a better fate for them than attempting to help, even if their life afterwards might be difficult? In what universe does that represent 'the greater good'? Fair enough if you don't want to donate any money yourself, but you're on seriously slippery ground here when you start to make judgements about the value of someone's life. It's not that much of a leap from "oh we might as well leave them to die - it's not like their lives were worth living anyway" to "well, there are a lot of people suffering in the world... Perhaps it would be kinder if we finished them off now, you know. Just one of those hard decisions you have to make for the greater good".

    I really hope you're trolling, because I find it hard to believe anyone could be so cold-hearted.
    Sorry If come across cold hearted buts its just the way I see the world. I understand that talking about the "value of a persons life" is a grey area but surely some existences are worth more than others? You yourself will likely lead a mucher better and happier and higher quality of life that most of the people in Haiti and if I had to choose between ten of them living and you then I would choose you. For example why do some parents choose to get in debt and send their children to private school? Because its a "better" life than what they had.

    If people of lesser fourtune want to continue their lives then they have every right to, I never said anything of actively seeking to wipe them out but if their life is so poor and you decide whether they live or die such as in the Haiti situation now caused by non human activity then how can you step in and stand on the high ground and interfere choosing to keep them alive? What makes your choice more moral and better than choosing to let them die? Maybe if they died they would be reincarnated into a happier life?
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    (Original post by Unknown?)
    Sorry If come across cold hearted buts its just the way I see the world. I understand that talking about the "value of a persons life" is a grey area but surely some existences are worth more than others? You yourself will likely lead a mucher better and happier and higher quality of life that most of the people in Haiti and if I had to choose between ten of them living and you then I would choose you. For example why do some parents choose to get in debt and send their children to private school? Because its a "better" life than what they had.
    So in the situation where either a middle class child or a working class child had to die, you'd choose the middle class child to live just on the basis that they'd have a 'better' life. Or between a disabled child and an able-bodied child, the able bodied child should live because they have a more 'meaningful' existence.

    You are cold hearted.
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    (Original post by Unknown?)
    Sorry If come across cold hearted buts its just the way I see the world. I understand that talking about the "value of a persons life" is a grey area but surely some existences are worth more than others? You yourself will likely lead a mucher better and happier and higher quality of life that most of the people in Haiti and if I had to choose between ten of them living and you then I would choose you. For example why do some parents choose to get in debt and send their children to private school? Because its a "better" life than what they had.

    If people of lesser fourtune want to continue their lives then they have every right to, I never said anything of actively seeking to wipe them out but if their life is so poor and you decide whether they live or die such as in the Haiti situation now caused by non human activity then how can you step in and stand on the high ground and interfere choosing to keep them alive? What makes your choice more moral and better than choosing to let them die? Maybe if they died they would be reincarnated into a happier life?
    OH MY PLEASE STFU! how dare you imply that your life is more worth more/means more than anybody elses in the world. so what if they work 15 hours a day for 30p. so what if they have AIDS. so what if they dont know their parents. you do not have a devine right over anyone. And that my friend is a fact that you really really need to understand to start respecting the world.
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    (Original post by blueshoes123)
    So in the situation where either a middle class child or a working class child had to die, you'd choose the middle class child to live just on the basis that they'd have a 'better' life. Or between a disabled child and an able-bodied child, the able bodied child should live because they have a more 'meaningful' existence.

    You are cold hearted.
    Well who would you choose? Providing that the two people were similar in everything except the difference mentioned would you choose the working class person and disabled person simply out of spite and to pity them?
 
 
 
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