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Nick Griffin on Haiti watch

  • View Poll Results: Should UK give aid to Haiti or not?
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    The US would because they always do, they gave us loans at the end of WW2.

    Canada has our monarch as head of state, so would help, same with Australia.

    The EU always helps countries within it who are in need, so they would.
    And what a highly loaded loan that was. Hardly pure altruism..

    (though I agree ^^^)
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    aaaah what a prick!
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    (Original post by loki276)
    so the lives of people in Haiti are worthless compared to people who are living in poverty who by international standards aren't really poor, makes a lot of sense

    Seriously when will people stop being so nationalistic and accept that Human beings are a race and should help each other?
    I agree COMPLETELY... finally someone else who acknowledges that being human should be enough to make a person feel for their fellow human beings and help out their fellow human beings.

    How would all the nationalistic people feel if they were hit by an erthquake and america decided theyd rather help their own people?!
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    He has a point - tens of thousands of people die every year in the UK.
    Ideally the government should help both parties, both those affected by natural disaster abroad and those affected by the cold here.

    However, the timing and the way he presented what he said does him no favours.
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    (Original post by loki276)
    wtf is wrong with him? Is he just stupid or ****** in the head?
    Judging by his comment, I'd have to say both!
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    Because your arguments are rubbish, homeless people do not get council homes. You need money to get one, which the homeless do not have.

    Your idea of a debate is "how much ******** can I speak?"

    You are winning.
    If my arguments were so rubbish, surely you could easily come up with a return to them then? Saying that there is no support for our homeless is quite frankly, a load of ****... Wonder how I got a council home without a penny to my name, eh?! I've lived the struggle, you probably haven't. Just shutup.

    It's so easy to say, "your arguments are rubbish, so I'm not going to bother to argue". Your idea of debate seems to be to simply condescend the person you're debating with, without adding any substance to the argument.
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

    Its the money people have got from working, they have the right to spend it on porn if they so wish.

    Don't divert the topic to porn, you know and I know and GMTV knows that shoppers wasted. You are justifying excessive spending, you are justifying recession and you are justifying selfishness.

    http://www.gm.tv/shopping/43855-brit...-in-sales.html
    January sales splurging
    Last updated: 11 Jan 2010

    * Almost £2 billion spent in the January sales on purchases considered 'a waste of money'
    * 57% of women who shop in January sales have bought clothes that they never wear
    * One in 10 women buy clothes a size too small in the hope of losing weight – but don't
    * Almost £5 billion will be spent in the January sales in the UK this year as shoppers defy the recession and start the new decade with some serious splurging.


    Roger Edwards, proposition director at Bright Grey commented: "Christmas can be enough of a strain, without adding huge bills for impulse purchases in the sales. Games consoles, designer clothes, TVs - people always manage to justify these big ticket items as being bargains.




    This is wasting, what would you call this?

    Roger Edwards, the GMTV and 127 people who voted yes to this poll for aid to be sent to Haita agree with me, Hilary Clinton, Barack Obama and Gordon Brown and many many charity organisations agree with me. Isn't this telling you something?
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    (Original post by Tetrahydro)
    If my arguments were so rubbish, surely you could easily come up with a return to them then? Saying that there is no support for our homeless is quite frankly, a load of sh*t... Wonder how I got a council home without a penny to my name, eh?! I've lived the struggle, you probably haven't. Just shutup.

    It's so easy to say, "your arguments are rubbish, so I'm not going to bother to argue". Your idea of debate seems to be to simply condescend the person you're debating with, without adding any substance to the argument.
    If someone says that atom are infact fluffy little goats, you do not bother to argue because there argument is retarded. That is why I am not.

    The fact is, if it was easy to get a council house, then every homeless person would be in one.
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    (Original post by Bubbles*de*Milo)
    Don't speak about something you know nothing about.
    Given that I was kicked out of home at 17, and had to rely on the council to support me through that time, I think I very much do know what I'm talking about.

    But if you do wish to stick to your point, please expand.
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    (Original post by Magic_007)
    Don't divert the topic to porn, you know and I know and GMTV knows that shoppers wasted. You are justifying excessive spending, you are justifying recession and you are justifying selfishness.

    http://www.gm.tv/shopping/43855-brit...-in-sales.html
    January sales splurging
    Last updated: 11 Jan 2010

    * Almost £2 billion spent in the January sales on purchases considered 'a waste of money'
    * 57% of women who shop in January sales have bought clothes that they never wear
    * One in 10 women buy clothes a size too small in the hope of losing weight – but don't
    * Almost £5 billion will be spent in the January sales in the UK this year as shoppers defy the recession and start the new decade with some serious splurging.


    Roger Edwards, proposition director at Bright Grey commented: "Christmas can be enough of a strain, without adding huge bills for impulse purchases in the sales. Games consoles, designer clothes, TVs - people always manage to justify these big ticket items as being bargains.




    This is wasting, what would you call this?

    Roger Edwards, the GMTV and 127 people who voted yes to this poll for aid to be sent to Haita agree with me, Hilary Clinton, Barack Obama and Gordon Brown and many many charity organisations agree with me. Isn't this telling you something?

    HAHAHAHA.

    Erm, if I earn money through work, I will spend it on what I want thank you, without being called selfish :yes:.
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    If someone says that atom are infact fluffy little goats, you do not bother to argue because there argument is retarded. That is why I am not.

    The fact is, if it was easy to get a council house, then every homeless person would be in one.
    That analogy is a pretty damn poor one. I've reasoned my arguments throughout and by, admittedly, my own reckoning, they are far from "retarded".

    The fact is, our homeless will always have shelter no matter what. They have a far better opportunity to get back on their feet than people in Haiti do right now. Stop changing the argument and just accept that fact.
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    (Original post by Tetrahydro)
    Given that I was kicked out of home at 17, and had to rely on the council to support me through that time, I think I very much do know what I'm talking about.

    But if you do wish to stick to your point, please expand.
    At 17 your still classed as a child, so ofcourse you were given housing.
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    (Original post by Tetrahydro)
    If my arguments were so rubbish, surely you could easily come up with a return to them then? Saying that there is no support for our homeless is quite frankly, a load of sh*t... Wonder how I got a council home without a penny to my name, eh?! I've lived the struggle, you probably haven't. Just shutup.

    It's so easy to say, "your arguments are rubbish, so I'm not going to bother to argue". Your idea of debate seems to be to simply condescend the person you're debating with, without adding any substance to the argument.
    How did you manage to get a council house at 18? How have you "lived the struggle" exactly?
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    It gets to a point when people need to look outside of their world and decide if they would rather stay in their comfy bubble or try and help those around them. And what happens when the people of Haiti realise they have been deserted and the anger arrives, and then extremism is directed at us because we wouldnt even help move some rubble for them.
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    (Original post by Tetrahydro)
    That analogy is a pretty damn poor one. I've reasoned my arguments throughout and by, admittedly, my own reckoning, they are far from "retarded".

    The fact is, our homeless will always have shelter no matter what. They have a far better opportunity to get back on their feet than people in Haiti do right now. Stop changing the argument and just accept that fact.
    Reasoned your arguments?

    Yes as a child you were given housing, that proves nothing.

    You have used no government source just your word of mouth.

    And you call me a bad debater?
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    (Original post by Magic_007)
    Don't divert the topic to porn, you know and I know and GMTV knows that shoppers wasted. You are justifying excessive spending, you are justifying recession and you are justifying selfishness.

    http://www.gm.tv/shopping/43855-brit...-in-sales.html
    January sales splurging
    Last updated: 11 Jan 2010

    * Almost £2 billion spent in the January sales on purchases considered 'a waste of money'
    * 57% of women who shop in January sales have bought clothes that they never wear
    * One in 10 women buy clothes a size too small in the hope of losing weight – but don't
    * Almost £5 billion will be spent in the January sales in the UK this year as shoppers defy the recession and start the new decade with some serious splurging.


    Roger Edwards, proposition director at Bright Grey commented: "Christmas can be enough of a strain, without adding huge bills for impulse purchases in the sales. Games consoles, designer clothes, TVs - people always manage to justify these big ticket items as being bargains.




    This is wasting, what would you call this?

    Roger Edwards, the GMTV and 127 people who voted yes to this poll for aid to be sent to Haita agree with me, Hilary Clinton, Barack Obama and Gordon Brown and many many charity organisations agree with me. Isn't this telling you something?
    I would call this stimulating our economy to help us get out of recession
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    (Original post by George99)
    It gets to a point when people need to look outside of their world and decide if they would rather stay in their comfy bubble or try and help those around them. And what happens when the people of Haiti realise they have been deserted and the anger arrives, and then extremism is directed at us because we wouldnt even help move some rubble for them.
    Extremism?

    What??
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    £6 million is about 0.000012% of the UK yearly budget (approx. £500 000 million).

    £6 million is about 10p per UK resident.

    It's not exactly a massive amount of money in the grand scale.
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    At 17 your still classed as a child, so ofcourse you were given housing.
    What do you think Haitian children are given?
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    Stopped reading there because you obviously are un-educated in the fact that they don't.

    Go be homeless, see what you get from your government.
    Food, shelter and clothing. Which are the needs Haiti is very much struggling to meet at the moment. I'm sure everyone can agree that they are basic human needs to survive.

    (Original post by Bubbles*de*Milo)
    Haiti have had loads of chances to fix up and failed - the US provided billions to help improve its judicial system, look how that failed. Their idea of justice is burning you on the street.
    Regardless of what the country is like and what the people in power do, the average person is just like you or I. They work, they have a family, they have relationships. But they live a much less than fortunate life even without the earthquake. If you were in Haiti right now dying, would you think it's the countries right to decide whether or not to give aid? I mean it shows how privileged we are that we're even discussing what basic rights people should have.
 
 
 
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