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    (Original post by Tetrahydro)
    What do you think Haitian children are given?
    That is not the argument you prat.

    There are still people in our own country who get **** all, sort them out first was the argument.

    Don't change the argument everytime you lose.
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    (Original post by blueshoes123)
    Food, shelter and clothing. Which are the needs Haiti is very much struggling to meet at the moment. I'm sure everyone can agree that they are basic human needs to survive.
    All from charities, nothing from the government.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    How did you manage to get a council house at 18? How have you "lived the struggle" exactly?
    Got a one bedroom flat at 17. It might not have been a struggle exactly. But at 17, with no money, no home and no family, it was hardly a walk in the park. Luckily, my own government had the infrastructure in place to help me. That's a lot more than I can say for Haitian children with dead parents right now.

    Can't believe people are debating me on this...
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    (Original post by Grim_the_Reaper)
    In 2005 Cuba offered to send hundreds of doctors and tons of supplies to the US to aid victims of Hurricane Katrina.

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americ.../katrina.Cuba/

    Don't tell me that 'they can't'.

    You're attitude seems to be only white people can help blacks since they're incapable of helping each other, something which borders on racism in my view.
    Excuse me?

    How the bloody hell is saying that poor countries sometimes lack the capability to help others racist? I never once mentioned race, it's you that assumed that.

    And cuba might not be a thriving economic power but it's not a third world country. What I meant was that a country like Haiti would be unable to launch an aid operation due to it's lack of long range aircraft, military, or surplus specialist medical and engineering staff. Cuba has all those things.
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    (Original post by Tetrahydro)
    Given that I was kicked out of home at 17, and had to rely on the council to support me through that time, I think I very much do know what I'm talking about.

    But if you do wish to stick to your point, please expand.
    17 = child = not the same as a homeless person on the street.
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    £6 million really is a drop in the ocean to a country of our wealth. That's 10p per person! If anything that piddling amount is quite insulting.
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    That is not the argument you prat.

    There are still people in our own country who get **** all, sort them out first was the argument.

    Don't change the argument everytime you lose.
    Erm, it's you who keeps changing the argument or not returning my arguments (which you have admitted). My argument still stands that our homeless are in a much better position than the devastated in Haiti.
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    Your quite clearly are a fool, here it costs 10 times more for anything there than it does there, therefore the homeless and people in serious poverty here are in the same situation.

    And it is just common sense to use your own countries money on your own countries people first.
    It's just common sense is it? Define your own country. Where you were born? Where you've lived most of your life? For some people that is two different countries, and for all people our age those countries were forced upon them. Britain isn't your country, you don't own it. What makes you think you have more in common with the average Brit than the average Haitian? Your passport? Your skin colour? What makes a tramp here more deserving of your money than a hardworking Haitian who survived to watch their house collapse on top of their family, taking away everything they loved in this world? And finally, how can anything that results in this many questions be described as 'common sense'? Common nonsense more like.
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    (Original post by Tetrahydro)
    Erm, it's you who keeps changing the argument or not returning my arguments (which you have admitted). My argument still stands that our homeless are in a much better position than the devastated in Haiti.
    Your so stupid :rofl2:

    Through no part of the government, and so therefore the government should not give to anyone else in that situation if it will not for its own people.
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    All from charities, nothing from the government.
    Totally agree. The difference between the UK government giving aid and the British people offering donations is paramount. With so many problems within the uk it is negligent of the uk government to do so, the British people should give what they can afford , but the government should stop donating tax payers money when we have thousands of homeless adults and children on the streets, intergrated sex trafficking going on in major cities, a failing NHS system and many other inherent problems with the country.

    It's like people see giving the money to the "poor haitians" as some sort of psuedo assuagance of guilt for the horror that we were born in this country, it makes me sick how many people here will give money to haiti and then pass homeless people and not spare change because they must be a drug addict or some such. Just because the haitians are poor does not mean they are inherently good people who are more deserving of our help than people on our streets living in horrendous conditions throughout the year.
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    (Original post by dzeh)
    agree.. the UK defecit is becoming bigger and bigger and they throw money about left right and centre to other countries

    i fail to see why we should give money away to other countries even if they do "need" it..

    theres thousands of people in the UK who could have benefited greatly from that money, look after your own no?

    ^ to 1 of the posts above the british government is here to look after us the british population.. not other countries and people who have nothin to do with britain
    Give it to chavs like you? so you can breed like rats in your free council houseing?
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    Extremism?

    What??
    Wouldn't you be angry if rich nations did nothing to help your situation e.g. your baby son trapped under his school?
    can't think of a single person who would not want revenge at the people who simply watched the 10 o'clock news and said "aww...how awful...someone should help them" and then does nothing but go on a f****** student forum saying how no one deserves help until absolutely every problem we have is solved.
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    (Original post by Bubbles*de*Milo)
    17 = child = not the same as a homeless person on the street.
    A lot of the people in these flats are adults who were formally homeless.

    If you think our issue of homelessness amongst <1% of our population (many of whom can't be bothered to work) is much more pressing than the millions devastated in Haiti, then you're entitled to that opinion. I simply disagree.
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    (Original post by KiiNGofLONDON)
    It's just common sense is it? Define your own country. Where you were born? Where you've lived most of your life? For some people that is two different countries, and for all people our age those countries were forced upon them. Britain isn't your country, you don't own it. What makes you think you have more in common with the average Brit than the average Haitian? Your passport? Your skin colour? What makes a tramp here more deserving of your money than a hardworking Haitian who survived to watch their house collapse on top of their family, taking away everything they loved in this world? And finally, how can anything that results in this many questions be described as 'common sense'? Common nonsense more like.
    Your country is the country you are a registered citizen of?

    I have more in common with he average Britain because they have put into the pot of money which then get split out.

    A tramp deserves it because at some point in the past they have contributed to our state, and then our state ***** on them.
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    i agree the government should give any money...that is for the uk.

    But there is nothing stopping the public donating - they could probably give 10x the government can!
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    Your so stupid :rofl2:

    Through no part of the government, and so therefore the government should not give to anyone else in that situation if it will not for its own people.
    *You're so stupid. Lol, how ironic.

    Well, our government does spend millions on helping its own homeless. But, whatever, mate. I cannot be bothered with this. I have work to do.
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    Rucklo mouths off right wing nonsense whilst insulting other people instead of arguing with them

    The simple fact of the matter is, there aren't tens of thousands of lives at risk in the very near future in the UK. That is why we and the rest of the world send help to Haiti. If you were in charge of the world I would suppose you would let them fend for themselves?
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    (Original post by George99)
    Wouldn't you be angry if rich nations did nothing to help your situation e.g. your baby son trapped under his school?
    can't think of a single person who would not want revenge at the people who simply watched the 10 o'clock news and said "aww...how awful...someone should help them" and then does nothing but go on a f****** student forum saying how no one deserves help until absolutely every problem we have is solved.
    No, I would go get a ******* pic-axe and go do it myself.

    All I expect is MY state to do the best it can, if it couldn't help I would do it myself.
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    All from charities, nothing from the government.
    The government puts money into developments for these things.

    http://www.communities.gov.uk/news/corporate/838295

    And a hostel group can apply for help from the government to keep things running. And the council employ people that specifically deal with homeless situations.
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    (Original post by dzeh)
    agree.. the UK defecit is becoming bigger and bigger and they throw money about left right and centre to other countries

    i fail to see why we should give money away to other countries even if they do "need" it..

    theres thousands of people in the UK who could have benefited greatly from that money, look after your own no?

    ^ to 1 of the posts above the british government is here to look after us the british population.. not other countries and people who have nothin to do with britain
    yes, the goverment certainly did look after their own when they threw away tax payer's money on thier innept selves. If they can throw it away on themselves, they certainly can on those who are desperatly in need of it...for the Haitians it's a life or death situation so i think it's worth it...
 
 
 
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