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    (Original post by abbi.blythe)
    I wouldn't really say that the majority of women dress like porn stars or actually feature in porn lol.

    I don't dress to satisfy men, but it's not like I don't get any male attention
    From my point of view I don't conform to any kind of patriarchal dress code in order to make men horny lol..

    The reason that girls feel that they have to flash their bits is because they're uncomfortable with themselves and feel that they have to do that to get boys to notice them, so in a sense you're right.. but it's really a minority.
    Showing your cleavage or wearing skimpy clothing isn't confined to porn stars, it's a common spectacle on Friday nights in London and whatever clubs around the country. Women by and large dress the way they do and put on make up to attract the other gender. I fail to see how such clothing and layers of greasy applicants makes a woman feel good.
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    (Original post by honeyisgoodforyou)
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100115/...dding_the_veil

    ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING!!!!!

    Just to clear things up for confused people:

    1) HIJAB--> is what covers the woman's hair and is a MUST in Islam
    2) Niqab or Burqua--> what covers the face and is NOT a must in Islam
    3) Abaya--> What covers the woman's body.
    (REASON!) in order not for her chest, arms, legs, or any other visible skin to show. ONLY face and hands are ok to show. A woman might choose to NOT wear the Abaya and that is FINE as long as she wears a dress to cover the mentioned parts.

    But seriously, France is so ***** STUPID in doing this!
    And the lady has a point in saying that Muslims don't force Christians and other religions from wearing the hijab in a Muslim country...
    * Saudi Arabia is another story, as THEY are an example of EXTREMISTS and something that Islam does not approve of. Like the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said that the best thing is to be in the MIDDLE, not TOO free and not too EXTREME....
    After all, Islam is simple and easy and doesn't force people to do things they don't like. God made everything easy for us....
    Meh
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    Good. Secularism >

    No hijabs, no crucifixes, nothing.
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    (Original post by Diaz89)
    Showing your cleavage or wearing skimpy clothing isn't confined to porn stars, it's a common spectacle on Friday nights in London and whatever clubs around the country. Women by and large dress the way they do and put on make up to attract the other gender. I fail to see how such clothing and layers of greasy applicants makes a woman feel good.
    I don't mean to be too personal, but you're coming off as very bitter and a bit misogynistic. Do you think women don't want to attract the other gender? Don't you think that makes them feel good about themselves even more?
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    Hmmm intresting
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    (Original post by Diaz89)
    Showing your cleavage or wearing skimpy clothing isn't confined to porn stars, it's a common spectacle on Friday nights in London and whatever clubs around the country. Women by and large dress the way they do and put on make up to attract the other gender. I fail to see how such clothing and layers of greasy applicants makes a woman feel good.
    Because I'm a girl and it does. Fakery can make you feel and look good, and confident.

    They obviously do it to attract men, I agree with you.. but it's not because they're dominated by men
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    (Original post by Lizia)
    ...
    I've got a migraine and will probably reply to your post a little later but you really are quite rude
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    (Original post by algérie_mon_amour)
    Firstly, During that time, girls used to be much more mature than today's girls. Without going too far, women in the beginning of 1900s used to have chidren at the age of 13, so no wonder that 1300 years ago, girls used to marry at the age of 10 and have children at that age.
    In addition to that evidence shows that girls in warm countries become 'women' (as you said ) much earlier than those in colder countries.
    Secondly, the prophet peace be upon him was ordered to marry a young girl by God; and there were several reasons for this. For example, as a young girl she was able to narrate about 2210 hadiths..his relationship with her is also very important to us as it shows how he was her teacher, her father and her husband at the same time.



    Islam is innocent of such killings.
    Was the prophet peace be upon him just killing non-muslim people? NO! Even though he was suffering from them, but he only fought DURING THE BATTLES when he was ordered to do so by god.

    PEACE...
    Actually, the age of biological maturity has gone down as we have become more advanced not up. The biological age of maturity in Arab countries is likely to be the same today as it was then, because the weather conditions are the same and they are still in the same living conditions. Further to this I would question the fact that any 9 year old can be ready for sex with a man 40 years her senior. Also, you need to factor in this man was supposed to be a living example to you on how to live your life. So through his actions he has made paedophillia acceptable to Muslims like yourself because to say otherwise is to go against him. As a female you should know that puberty is about so much more than bleeding, your body is at least a few years behind your menstrual cycle. If she was ready she would have bore him a child and she did not.

    A certain percentage of Muslims will always be extremist and hardline, and the Quaran allows these Muslims free reign to behave as barbarically as they like.
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    (Original post by abbi.blythe)
    Women don't dress nice because they're dominated by men, they dress nice to feel good about themselves
    Exactly. Do you think it would make these women feel good about themselves if you forced them to take off a piece of clothing? It's highly likely the implications of this law will in fact work against women. This is because women who wear the burqa do so out of religious reasons, they obviously won't change this because of a new piece of legislation which will have a drastic effect on their lives. Therefore, they will either: [1] continue to wear the burqa in public and get fined or [2] stay at home all the time in order to avoid getting fined. How are any of these liberating?

    Instead of banning the burqa, why not ban the enforcement of the burqa by family members and thus it must be worn because a woman decides it rather than someone else? Then again, you could expand for other dress codes, waitresses wearing short skirts in bars, and hot pants in certain nightclubs maybe?


    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    I can't see anything worse than conformity to an irrational, tyrannical, coercive load of codswallop "plugging the gap". Patriarchy is not necessarily a bad thing if it's a consequence of free choice.
    So basically you're in favour of banning the burqa because it doesn't comply with your personal beliefs. How ironic...
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    (Original post by abbi.blythe)
    But say that a woman didn't want to wear the veil, or the headscarf..?
    What would her husband say about that?
    That has nothing to do with religion, just stupid, ignorant people.
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    (Original post by Rizwani)
    Hoods, and the face covering are completely different, if a women wants to cover her face, she can, but the hoody thing is associated with crime while the niqaab is associated with religion
    If a women in the UK wears the niqaab, she is obviously making a choice so why is that oppresive, and even so when it is from the commands of God.
    Well I'll stick up my hood and say it's from the commands of God and see how special I get treated

    Same thing isn't it really
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    QURAN says:'O YOU WHO BELIVE HOU HAVE CERTAIN RIGTHS OVER YOUR WOMEN AND YOUR WOMEN HAVE CERTAIN RIGTHS OVER YOU.SO BE KIND TO THEM'

    women can refuse to cover there face but covering of head is compulsary like the christian nuns do.to be elabrative women dresscode can be of like a christian nun.very graceful!!
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    (Original post by lj106)
    I don't mean to be too personal, but you're coming off as very bitter and a bit misogynistic.
    If I was a misogynist, I would be defending what they wear not condemn it.

    Do you think women don't want to attract the other gender? Don't you think that makes them feel good about themselves even more?
    No this isn't my point I was responding to the ludicrous argument of denial that the women who appear in revealing clothes do it because it feels good and it has nothing to do with the agitation of the male instincts. A woman ability to attract the male gender should be put down to her personality not how far she can pull up her skirt.
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    (Original post by Diaz89)
    No this isn't my point I was responding tothe ludicrous argument of denial that the women who appear in revealing clothes do it because it feels good and it has nothing to do with the agitation of the male instincts.
    Attracting men and being dominated by them are two different things.
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    (Original post by abbi.blythe)
    Well I'll stick up my hood and say it's from the commands of God and see how special I get treated

    Same thing isn't it really
    Do you have proof, from a religious text, and do you have proof that those commands are from God?
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    Has France banned balaclavas? If not why don't the women just wear clothes that cover all the skin, thus proving it is absolutely imperative that all skin is covered. If the balaclava has been banned then they can wrap bandages about themselves.

    See a little bit of thought helps.
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    (Original post by abbi.blythe)
    Attracting men and being dominated by them are two different things.
    So you concede that you do it to attract men not self gratification?
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    that is your own choice.u have a free will.u dont represent all the women population.
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    Religion is a very silly idea.
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    (Original post by Diaz89)
    If I was a misogynist, I would be defending what they wear not condemn it.
    Why?


    (Original post by Diaz89)
    No this isn't my point I was responding to the ludicrous argument of denial that the women who appear in revealing clothes do it because it feels good and it has nothing to do with the agitation of the male instincts. A woman ability to attract the male gender should be put down to her personality not how far she can pull up her skirt.
    But dressing nice makes most people feel good. Haven't you ever put on a sharp suit, seen your self in the mirror and felt good? (wow I sound narcissistic there)
 
 
 
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