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    hmm, i don't particularly "get" the point of the Burkha, but that's because i'm not muslim so they aren't my beliefs. So despite the fact i don't particularly like it, i wouldn't condone banning it - it's just an infringement of freedom.

    People should learn to be more tolerant tbh.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    LOLWUT. How can you even make the comparison you absolute imbecile. That is possibly the worst argumment against the Burkha i have ever come across. :laugh:


    "I CANT SHOW KIDS MY **** SO MUZLIMZ SHUDNT WEAR DA BURKHA LOLOLOLOLO!!!1!!1!"

    Go back to your cave. :ta:
    Its not a direct comparison.

    But many people have claimed that its a breach of peoples freedom to be told what to wear.

    Me not wearing clothes is not allowed in practice. However in theory my right to do so is protected under the law unless I intend to cause distress. I am therefore being told what to wear to prevent potential distress.

    The Burka should not be allowed out of the home as its a security risk. You cannot be identified easily using CCTV, you cannot even tell sex. We also ban hoodies in stores so why not something which is 10 x worse?

    My cave is very cushty thanks.
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    (Original post by BiGBaDBoO)
    Its not a direct comparison.

    But many people have claimed that its a breach of peoples freedom to be told what to wear.

    Me not wearing clothes is not allowed in practice. However in theory my right to do so is protected under the law unless I intend to cause distress. I am therefore being told what to wear to prevent potential distress.

    The Burka should not be allowed out of the home as its a security risk. You cannot be identified easily using CCTV, you cannot even tell sex. We also ban hoodies in stores so why not something which is 10 x worse?

    My cave is very cushty thanks.
    "It's a security risk"

    So is any garment that obscures key features of your face. We don't ban balaclavas, we don't ban hats, we don't ban wearing scarves around your face rather than your neck . . .

    Please cite the thousands of cases in which known terrorists have hidden themselves with Burqa before killing innocent people. That's right, thought you couldn't.
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    There's been an Islamist terror suspect escape Britain wearing a burka, and several armed robberies by people wearing them:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...by-police.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...or-police.html

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...ds/7309548.stm

    Not to mention this woman who turned up on the first day of work as a teacher, AT A CHURCH OF ENGLAND SCHOOL wearing the full face burka, after doing the job interview not wearing one, then squealing about her "rights" when the head teacher said it was unacceptable. :rolleyes: :mad:


    It's being worn deliberately to cause problems and try and undermine our way of life.:mad:
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    Cultural relativism is an absurd moral doctrine. The idea that because a certain thing being done for a certain amount of time in a certain place makes it acceptable is ridiculous. With that not only can one justify repeating many historical abuses - slavery, cannibalism, suttee to name just a few of the most extreme and oft-quoted - in the present, but you ignore how human ideas can evolve.

    Let me be clear. I am not suggesting that western=civilized, that the world has moved inevitably forward to quasi-socialistic liberal democracy. I am no supporter of such. But we must assess the moral basis of something on its own merits.

    As to the Burkha, I think on balance that it is probably better that it be banned. It is not a religious requirement - though even this wouldn't in my view justify it - and symbolises a gender inequality that seems to run through the Islamic faith and traditional arabic culture. Of course, many women may choose to wear the Burkha as a sign of faith or modesty or culture. But if its continued legality justifies the oppression of even one woman, then I cannot support it.
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    (Original post by BiGBaDBoO)
    The Burka should not be allowed out of the home as its a security risk. You cannot be identified easily using CCTV
    So hats and scarves should be banned aswell? Coats with large collars? Hoodies, face paint? etc..etc..


    Stop being so absurd.
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    I don't mind providing the following conditions are kept to:

    * Such dress items are removed when taking photographs for photo identification.
    * Such dress items are removed when requested by officials inspecting photo identification.
    * Officials have this in their job description to avoid being abused by persons under inspection.

    Apart from that, I couldn't care less; it's their choice to wear them, and although it's not something I'd like to see on my girlfriend, they are worn by choice.
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    (Original post by MaceyThe)

    It's being done deliberately to cause problems and try and undermine our way of life.:mad:


    :nopity: :cry: Oh noes...
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    (Original post by Aphotic Cosmos)
    "It's a security risk"

    So is any garment that obscures key features of your face. We don't ban balaclavas, we don't ban hats, we don't ban wearing scarves around your face rather than your neck . . .

    Please cite the thousands of cases in which known terrorists have hidden themselves with Burqa before killing innocent people. That's right, thought you couldn't.
    The burqa is actually a highly impractical form of dress if attempting to carry out an armed robbery or similar because it is difficult to conceal a weapon without it protruding (due to it being a thin sheet material) and it is difficult to run or jump over obstacles even without carrying sacks of cash. It therefore doesn't make much sense to ban it from banks etc but if they really wanted to, they could simply ask a female member of staff to deal with the customer at a kiosk where she could see her face, i.e. away from male staff or customers. The hoodie isn't really a valid comparison in practice because pragmatically it is much easier for someone to simply put down their hood upon entering a bank.
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    Here's an interesting and thought-provoking video entitled "Ban The Burka" by Pat Condell:




    I don't agree with a ban, but we do find ourselves in a bit of a predicament....
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    TBH, Burka's scare me when I'm out and about, I used to think I was dead racist when I was younger beause of it.

    But yes, Burkas should be banned in airports, why increase the fear 10x?
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    (Original post by Kiwiguy)
    Well, if David Cameron or Brown said this, i would get a little worried.

    However, since its the UKIP, i don't care. They arent going to get into any sort of position of power, so meh. It's like what Frankie Boyle said on mock the week a while ago the lib dems...

    "Well lets face it, they aren't going to get into power anytime soon, so they can say what they like frankly..."
    Indeed. Frankie Boyle speaks a lot of sense too!

    But I do find it ironic that in an attempt to stand up for "Britain’s values of freedom", Lord Pearson wants to impose a fascist-style government requirement upon what is not acceptable to wear in the eyes of the State. Slightly paradoxical, no?
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    (Original post by MaceyThe)
    It's being worn deliberately to cause problems and try and undermine our way of life.:mad:
    Oh, really now?! :rofl:

    I'm sure that's what the Arabs who came up with the dress (before Islamic times by the way) had in mind... that in almost 2000 years, immigrants from such societies could come to Britain to try and undermine the British way of life. :rolleyes:

    Do you need to ask why nobody takes you seriously?
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    (Original post by near_comatose)
    Maybe a lot of people feel threatened by people in a burkah?

    I wonder what people would tell me if I decided to wear a balaclava in airports, museums, shopping centres etc. :rolleyes:
    Are you honestly trying to argue that you feel threatened by a female wearing a burkah?
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    (Original post by CombineHarvester)
    It therefore doesn't make much sense to ban it from banks etc but if they really wanted to, they could simply ask a female member of staff to deal with the customer at a kiosk where she could see her face, i.e. away from male staff or customers.
    No, no, no, no......

    Well apart from the bank robberies that have been carried out by burka wearers, (I've listed a few above,) the bit I highlighted is yet another way of how we'd be changing our ways to accommodate Muslims, rather than them fitting in with US.

    I thought they like Western society?! After all, millions of them chose to come here, so why not try and fit in, rather than cling on to some backwards ideology that is the principle reason large parts of the Islamic world are still stuck in the dark ages?
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    (Original post by Oculist)
    ... But if its continued legality justifies the oppression of even one woman, then I cannot support it.
    But if the ban causes the rights of so many women who choose to wear the burkha to be infringed, and to leave them unable to leave their home without significantly changing the way they dress... not to mention the social stigma attached to a legal ban, you couldn't care less?

    And just to play devil's advocate to try and explain how your views are illogical: Many girls feel pressured into wearing miniskirts and the likes to fit in with their peers, this would be sexual oppression under pressure so if your argument holds, you would want miniskirts to be banned too, because "if their legality justifies the oppression of even one woman, then I cannot support it", so what do you say?

    Somehow I have the feeling you don't support the latter miniskirt ban. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by DJkG.1)
    Oh, really now?! :rofl:

    I'm sure that's what the Arabs who came up with the dress (before Islamic times by the way) had in mind... that in almost 2000 years, immigrants from such societies could come to Britain to try and undermine the British way of life. :rolleyes:

    Do you need to ask why nobody takes you seriously?
    lol exactly
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    This rise in right wing politics amongst young people is frightening. That is all.
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    (Original post by MaceyThe)
    I thought they like Western society?! After all, millions of them chose to come here, so why not try and fit in, rather than cling on to some backwards ideology that is the principle reason large parts of the Islamic world are still stuck in the dark ages?
    First of all, they were born in this country :dunce: and those who are immigrants like Western society because it gives them the freedom to dress how they wish. You don't allow people into your country to work and have an honest living but then twenty years later tell them they have to change their dress codes like some sort of grammar school uniform policy.
    What do you suggest, deport women for not complying with 'the UK dress code'? The bolded part reeks of fascism as well, they're not murdering babies, they're simply wearing an item of clothing. If you want to create a country where everyone has to wear 'British clothing' and the intolerance of any other forms of dress then you can hardly criticise Saudi Arabia.
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    (Original post by Aeolus)
    So hats and scarves should be banned aswell? Coats with large collars? Hoodies, face paint? etc..etc..


    Stop being so absurd.
    They are selectively banned already in public places (hoodies).

    The degree to which they obscure the face is the main point here. When wearing a burka, the only visible part of your face is your eyes. However as CCTV technology is advancing this is becoming less of a problem as methods such as the suspects walk are analysed to distinguish between people. I am unaware if this technology is being implemented yet though.

    Wearing a burka when entering a store at the moment is socially acceptable. Which is a risk to security as the store owner cannot simply demand they remove the garment without being labelled as a racist like they can with a hat, scarf or balaclava.

    Stop being narrow minded and think what it must be like for shop owners?
 
 
 
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