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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagism

    There are plenty of people who want to ban the burkha because it covers the face? But what about this secular version?

    Why should one not have the choice if they want to wear a burkha, or indeed, a bag?

    It's one thing in airports, but i'm talking about in public. Indeed, i've seen quite a lot of sexism in my life so covering up your body (out of personal choice) to be taken at face value (had to make that lame pun :o:) seems quite clever.
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    Anti-burkha rhetoric is just plain old racism under a new guise.
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    I wouldn't ban it, but I don't have an issue with the burkha either.
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    Because it is being forced on a woman it is sexism and it is being enforced under Sharia Law within a British country ruled by British Law, so it is illegal from a sexism point of view and it is illegal from the Sharia Law being enforced instead of British Law.
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    People who wear the Burkha do so out of modesty. Wearing a full body bag is something that draws attention to you, it makes you a spectacle. I would be more against this stupid bag wearing than Burkhas.
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    (Original post by Ladies Man)
    Because it is being forced on a woman it is sexism and it is being enforced under Sharia Law within a British country ruled by British Law, so it is illegal from a sexism point of view and it is illegal from the Sharia Law being enforced instead of British Law.

    Thats a pretty prejudice veiw you got there, this is regarding ALOT of women and you don't know the reason why. Every single person has there own reasoning and their own logic [i'd say] behind their choice.

    "it is illegal from the Sharia Law being enforced instead of British Law"

    The European human rights convention gives the right to practise religion.
    And it might be iffy and a little annoying at times seeing someone totally convered up, but personally the only time i find it ok for the face to be exposed is in places like banks.
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    No. Don't ban Bagration plece.

    (Original post by Bagration)
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    Be heard!
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    (Original post by L i b)
    Anti-burkha rhetoric is just plain old racism under a new guise.
    It has nothing to do with race. It's religionism, and it's justified.
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    (Original post by Phugoid)
    It has nothing to do with race. It's religionism, and it's justified.
    I don't believe it has a single thing to do with religion at all. Racists target it because it is a symbol of racial and cultural difference: Islam only concerns them insofar as it is also almost entirely followed by people of a different race.

    I doubt most of the BNP or similar organisations are particularly good or committed Christians (if they are, then it's a prime example of doing it wrong) - and you rarely see them targeting other religions which do not have visibly foreign worshippers. I've yet to see a BNP picket outside a Scientologist temple, for example.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    I don't believe it has a single thing to do with religion at all. Racists target it because it is a symbol of racial and cultural difference: Islam only concerns them insofar as it is also almost entirely followed by people of a different race.

    I doubt most of the BNP or similar organisations are particularly good or committed Christians (if they are, then it's a prime example of doing it wrong) - and you rarely see them targeting other religions which do not have visibly foreign worshippers. I've yet to see a BNP picket outside a Scientologist temple, for example.
    Well that's cos nobody takes them seriously :rofl:

    edit: I'm sorry that was a bad joke. Scientology is a real religion. Tom Cruise don't hurt me please.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    Anti-burkha rhetoric is just plain old racism under a new guise.
    Quite. Secularism doesnt mean that you can't show your religion in public... it's just severing the link between religion and public institutions. Banning religion or signs of religion in public life isn't secular, it's totalitarian.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    I don't believe it has a single thing to do with religion at all. Racists target it because it is a symbol of racial and cultural difference: Islam only concerns them insofar as it is also almost entirely followed by people of a different race.

    I doubt most of the BNP or similar organisations are particularly good or committed Christians (if they are, then it's a prime example of doing it wrong) - and you rarely see them targeting other religions which do not have visibly foreign worshippers. I've yet to see a BNP picket outside a Scientologist temple, for example.
    That may be the case for the BNP and UKIP, but it is not always the case the anti-burka rhetoric is racism in a new dress.

    I, myself, exercise anti-burka rhetoric, and I can assure you it's nothing to do with race. I also don't see it having much to do with race in France, where the issue is most prominent.
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    (Original post by Bagration)
    Quite. Secularism doesnt mean that you can't show your religion in public... it's just severing the link between religion and public institutions. Banning religion or signs of religion in public life isn't secular, it's totalitarian.
    Would you tell a German that he is a totalitarian for banning the symbology of the Nazi party? I don't think you would dare.

    For me, the symbols of Islam (and indeed, any of the Abrahamic religions), offends me and engulfs me in the same feeling of absolute disgust that the Nazi symbology creates for a moral German, or indeed, a Jew.
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    (Original post by Phugoid)
    Would you tell a German that he is a totalitarian for banning the symbology of the Nazi party? I don't think you would dare.

    For me, the symbols of Islam (and indeed, any of the Abrahamic religions), offends me and engulfs me in the same feeling of absolute disgust that the Nazi symbology creates for a moral German, or indeed, a Jew.
    Er, yeah, I would, actually. **** off with your lame assumptions.
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    (Original post by Bagration)
    Er, yeah, I would, actually. **** off with your lame assumptions.
    Well I'm quite glad I don't live in your idyllic society - one in which ill-justified campaigns of hatred against arbitrary groups of people are free to parade in the streets of an otherwise civilised society.
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    (Original post by paperclip)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagism

    There are plenty of people who want to ban the burkha because it covers the face? But what about this secular version?

    Why should one not have the choice if they want to wear a burkha, or indeed, a bag?

    It's one thing in airports, but i'm talking about in public. Indeed, i've seen quite a lot of sexism in my life so covering up your body (out of personal choice) to be taken at face value (had to make that lame pun :o:) seems quite clever.
    Off topic but is the political compass in your profile for real? You would basically have a world where nobody owned anything and could do whatever they wanted o_0; a bit idealistic!

    If someone wants to put a bag over their body, then so be it. I'm not going to stop them! But they will probably stereotyped and predjudiced as complete weirdos; thus defeating the original purpose.
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    (Original post by Phugoid)
    Well I'm quite glad I don't live in your idyllic society - one in which ill-justified campaigns of hatred against arbitrary groups of people are free to parade in the streets of an otherwise civilised society.
    That's nice. So now you're on record as a freedom hater
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    (Original post by InvoluntarySlacker)
    No. Don't ban Bagration plece.


    Be heard!
    :mmm: Knew someone would come out with that?

    (Original post by Phugoid)
    Would you tell a German that he is a totalitarian for banning the symbology of the Nazi party? I don't think you would dare.
    Yes.

    For me, the symbols of Islam (and indeed, any of the Abrahamic religions), offends me and engulfs me in the same feeling of absolute disgust that the Nazi symbology creates for a moral German, or indeed, a Jew.[/QUOTE]
    Why do you find the Abrahamic religions disgusting?
    Should we ban everything someone might be offended by? o.O
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    You shouldn't obscure someone's identity like that.

    And that fact its forced on women is another facotr against it. if the women chose it for themselves, the fair enough, but often they are forced into it.
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    (Original post by t3h_y0u553f)
    Off topic but is the political compass in your profile for real? You would basically have a world where nobody owned anything and could do whatever they wanted o_0; a bit idealistic!
    It was real. I haven't updated it, i'm now a -8.

    In ideology, i'd love to be a communist but being pragmatic, i'm a democratic socialist. On real policies, i'd probably come up anything between -5 to -8 i reckon.

    If someone wants to put a bag over their body, then so be it. I'm not going to stop them! But they will probably stereotyped and predjudiced as complete weirdos; thus defeating the original purpose.
    Yeah, not so much in the original time the campaign was launched. However, it is an interesting idea!

    Would make a good social experiment too.
 
 
 
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