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    Typical Cameron speak. Its meaningless rhetoric - he's given us no specifics or details whatsoever.

    I'm a little unsure how Cameron thinks he is going to realistically achieve this when he has called for deep cuts in public spending despite promising real-term increases in NHS spending and a couple of tax cuts. He is trying to promise the impossible - cut public spending, cut tax, cut the deficit, pay teachers more and spend more on the NHS. Its completely dishonest electioneering.

    All substance no style!
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    I think most of it is agreeable, but this is bizarre:

    financial help with postgraduate teacher training would be removed for those who have achieved a third-class degree or lower.


    I don't see why that is necessary. I am sure most schools will take on a physics teacher who has a third.
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    (Original post by vas876)
    So our education system is fantastic and there are absolutely no problems in the NHS or society?

    Are you joking?

    Who reads the daily mail anyway, they get abused by everyone, i really want to know who is reading it.
    My aunt, I tried .. bless her!
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    While the majority of my teachers were pretty awful some of the best I had didn't have stellar academic records, so I don't think this is the way to go about it.
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    (Original post by Lord Hysteria)
    I am sure most schools will take on a physics teacher who has a third.
    Maybe he thinks that, that is part of the problem?

    I don't personally think that there is any need for it mind.

    A better idea would be to make the teaching system less rigid in terms of how strictly teachers have to stick to a scheduled curriculum. I think that if somebody knows how to do maths then they should be free to teach it in the way they think fits best.
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    (Original post by IceDiveFresh)
    Maybe he thinks that, that is part of the problem?

    I don't personally think that there is any need for it mind.

    A better idea would be to make the teaching system less rigid in terms of how strictly teachers have to stick to a scheduled curriculum. I think that if somebody knows how to do maths then they should be free to teach it in the way they think fits best.
    It's not really the problem. What you really need to be able to do, is teach the lesson. So you can easily prepare before-hand. Irrespective of how much physics you know.

    Also, if you're gong to implement a "anti-third-class-degrees" then you also need to get rid of those who slipped through.
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    (Original post by vas876)
    So our education system is fantastic and there are absolutely no problems in the NHS or society?

    Are you joking?

    Who reads the daily mail anyway, they get abused by everyone, i really want to know who is reading it.
    The people who are 'abusing' it?
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    (Original post by jacketpotato)
    Typical Cameron speak. Its meaningless rhetoric - he's given us no specifics or details whatsoever.

    I'm a little unsure how Cameron thinks he is going to realistically achieve this when he has called for deep cuts in public spending despite promising real-term increases in NHS spending and a couple of tax cuts. He is trying to promise the impossible - cut public spending, cut tax, cut the deficit, pay teachers more and spend more on the NHS. Its completely dishonest electioneering.

    All substance no style!
    Achieve what?
    Having read 3/4 of it, it seems he wants to encourage people to go into the teaching profession so (like everyone) else he'll deploy these bribery tactics!
    oh and hello you
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    Surely if schools are taking on teachers with third class degrees, it's because there is a lack of teachers with first or second class honours. Wouldn't this plan therefore lead to a shortage of teachers? Other than that, I do think, as far as is practical, people with third class degrees shouldn't be teaching.
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    (Original post by JW92)
    Surely if schools are taking on teachers from polys or teachers with third class degrees, it's because there is a lack of teachers from better universities and teachers with better degrees. This is sort of where the plan comes undone. Other than that, I do think, as far as is practical, people with third class degrees shouldn't be teaching.
    Sorry to break it to you but some of the smartest people are also the crappest teachers because they can't communicate with other normal human beings with a non-specialist knowledge. If they are from oxford or east anglia uni doesn't make the bit of difference. As long as they can teach, THAT is the main thing!
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    I'm sorry but I don't like this proposal at all.

    Please don't make the profession seen as a respectable/high wage career. It attracts the wrong sort of people into the profession.
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    Its unsustainable, when there is a shortage of teachers already becoming more strict about who can teach is hardly beneficial. By saying people with a 3rd can't teach is nonsense, they could be cuttin out thousands of people who'd make perfectly good teachers, then they'd have to try and persuade thousands of people with 1st and 2nd class degrees to go into teaching which they probably won't be able to do anyway. Cameron is full of hot air and impractical ideas.
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    I'm interested in politics but I don't want to vote mainly because I can't trust them. They're both coming up with good arguments and I just don't know what to believe.
    Anyways my mum forcing me to vote Labour lol =s
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    (Original post by blue_shift86)
    Sorry to break it to you but some of the smartest people are also the crappest teachers because they can't communicate with other normal human beings with a non-specialist knowledge. If they are from oxford or east anglia uni doesn't make the bit of difference. As long as they can teach, THAT is the main thing!
    I edited my post to take out the part about polys because I agree that that is pretty irrelevant. I don't think people with third class degrees should teach though since getting a third class degree basically means you failed your degree.
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    (Original post by JW92)
    I edited my post to take out the part about polys because I agree that that is pretty irrelevant. I don't think people with third class degrees should teach though since getting a third class degree basically means you failed your degree.
    Not being a good student doesn't mean that you aren't a good teacher.
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    (Original post by Tombola)
    Not being a good student doesn't mean that you aren't a good teacher.
    Right, I agree that being a good teacher and being a good student are different things. To be a good teacher, you need to have good teaching skills but you also need a really good knowledge of your subject area. Having really good teaching skills is useless if you're not that bright.
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    (Original post by Casshern1456)
    I'm interested in politics but I don't want to vote mainly because I can't trust them. They're both coming up with good arguments and I just don't know what to believe.
    Anyways my mum forcing me to vote Labour lol =s
    You can't be forced to vote, voting is done in secret so just go to the actual balloting station where she can't see what you've done and just tell her you voted labor to appease her if you want to vote for somebody else.
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    (Original post by JW92)
    I edited my post to take out the part about polys because I agree that that is pretty irrelevant. I don't think people with third class degrees should teach though since getting a third class degree basically means you failed your degree.
    depends where you got your 3rd class degree from. Arguably a 3rd in any degree at cambridge is better than a 2:1 of the same degree at a ex poly because the standards are higher at the top unis. Not being elitest, but just saying the truth. Just think about it. If a top uni degree was the same standard as a degree at a expoly, what would be the point in applying/try to get into a top uni? If you are going to say reputation, then reputation comes from hard work and brighter students, and brighter students are kept sharp/challenged by more difficult material in the lectures.
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    (Original post by Casshern1456)
    I'm interested in politics but I don't want to vote mainly because I can't trust them. They're both coming up with good arguments and I just don't know what to believe.
    Anyways my mum forcing me to vote Labour lol =s
    I'll be voting for them too. . I simply don't like the crap that comes out of Cameron's mouth. If Boris was the leader of the opposition, i'd vote tories - just for him He's the man. I voted him for mayor and I really like how he kept the tube running in the snow these last few weeks...also less hooligans around my area too!
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    (Original post by JW92)
    Right, I agree that being a good teacher and being a good student are different things. To be a good teacher, you need to have good teaching skills but you also need a really good knowledge of your subject area. Having really good teaching skills is useless if you're not that bright.
    Not really. Teaching material at secondary and primary school is not university-based difficulty. It's mostly about whether the individual is willing to put effort into learning the material that they want to deliver, it requires a broad range of knowledge that can be attained easily if a teacher is motivated enough to do so for children.

    The teachers that are being refered to as bad teachers, are those not with a bad degree, but instead those who have a lack of enthusiasm in actually delivering the knowledge.

    All those teachers that hate kids, but have are academically qualified are worse than those with a lower degree qualification but have a desire to learn and pass on the knowledge.
 
 
 
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