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    (Original post by Samrout)
    No our education system is not the best but Cameron sure isn't the guy I would want to reform it. Society can be a piece of turd but yet again this is down to the Conservatives and good ol' Thatcher's policy of "individualism". The NHS is aiii, from personal opinion only though. I can't really comment on the state of the NHS as I don't pay taxes, and I am not a frequent visitor.

    And my friend's mother reads the Daily Mail, "but only for the t.v. guide" lolz..
    We do need radical change, and labour are out of juice to bring it, since 1997 the education system has gone to ****.

    The introduction of "more friendly science" GCSEs has ruined science education, (just one example) we need good education not just more specialised education.

    Education needs to be less specialised and content needs to be increased at GCSE not decreased.

    Gordon Brown is probably one of the worse labour leaders, and their policies are pretty much the same as at the last election.

    The conservatives are most likely not the best choice, but compared to labour they are the only choice we have.

    We will see over the coming months how labours manifesto will shape up, but at the moment david cameron and the conservatives are making the right noises. How exactly they plan to achieve this hopefully will be laid out on the months to come.
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    Elitest?

    If that's how elite they intend to be we can settle for it being rather mediocre in practice and positively terrible at spelling.
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    (Original post by RyanT)
    Elitest?

    If that's how elite they intend to be we can settle for it being rather mediocre in practice and positively terrible at spelling.
    Fair enough I spelled Elitist incorrectly but I don't support/stand for the policy or the conservative party.

    Perhaps I'd be better at spelling if the quality of teaching was better though :p:
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    (Original post by vas876)
    We do need radical change, and labour are out of juice to bring it, since 1997 the education system has gone to ****.

    The introduction of "more friendly science" GCSEs has ruined science education, (just one example) we need good education not just more specialised education.

    Education needs to be less specialised and content needs to be increased at GCSE not decreased.

    Gordon Brown is probably one of the worse labour leaders, and their policies are pretty much the same as at the last election.

    The conservatives are most likely not the best choice, but compared to labour they are the only choice we have.

    We will see over the coming months how labours manifesto will shape up, but at the moment david cameron and the conservatives are making the right noises. How exactly they plan to achieve this hopefully will be laid out on the months to come.
    Please let me clarify that I hate Labour with a passion. Labour sold out as soon as Clause 4 went out of the window. Collectively I am sure we could go on all week about Brown's weakness as a leader.

    There is no doubt that Labour handled the economic downturn much better than the Conservatives could have, as in a Keynesian economy, spending out of a recession is the only way to get the economy to grow again.

    I agree that the Conservatives are the most electable party, as Brown is constantly taken apart by newspapers and other media, but making the right noises doesn't necessarily mean forming the right policies.

    I also agree with your points about the education system, they are perfectly valid, although we shouldn't take education for granted.

    Thankyou Sir, and Good Day! :hat:
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    (Original post by usainlightning)
    You're a jack ass. Come up with a constructive arguement next time.
    You're a jackass. He wasn't making an argument at all; simply putting forth his opinion.
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    After going to college and being taught by an Oxford PHD chap for physics from being taught my gcses by a physics undergrad from Swansea was like the enlightenment - I think teachers should be clever, I don't want some idiot with a 3rd from a poor university teaching me, because quite frankly I'm more intelligent than them, and they won't be able to stretch and challenge me as much as I'd like. Elitism is good, I and most others would prefer to be taught be people whose academic levels we aspire to, not people who achieve what we would be embaressed to.
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    (Original post by Lord Hysteria)
    Achieve what?
    Having read 3/4 of it, it seems he wants to encourage people to go into the teaching profession so (like everyone) else he'll deploy these bribery tactics!
    oh and hello you
    hey you :woo:

    Yes, my point is that teaching would need quite a big pay rise to make good on his promises. It isn't possible for Cameron to throw money around like that and boost NHS spending and have tax cuts and cut the debt and cut the deficit. Something is going to have to go - I wish he'd man up and make some hard choices.


    n.b. anyone who bought into Cameron's whole "there is such thing as society, its not the same thing as the state" mantra can now proceed to rip up their Tory membership cards. He'd be the first to accuse Labour of social engineering where they see the State as the appropriate vehicle to directly influence people's attitudes.
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    (Original post by Blátönn)
    You're a jackass. He wasn't making an argument at all; simply putting forth his opinion.
    Shutup, you'll never be the man your mother is:mfing:
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    (Original post by usainlightning)
    Shutup, you'll never be the man your mother is:mfing:
    Mother jokes? What are you, GAY!?!?!?!? :eek:

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    (Original post by Blátönn)
    Mother jokes? What are you, GAY!?!?!?!? :eek:

    [img]http://api.ning.com/files/vaqSyKaKFfJ2FK*aQnAXOSKbAHajEQmx oYfEDslYhj3GY0CAW2m7P6c9AnT1HlBt 12xNIb*ZSpp*ir6I7vEHIYEdGWXVKsDf/cat_furry.jpg[/img]
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    (Original post by usainlightning)
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    Fine then, considering your propensity for mother jokes, I reckon this must be your mother:



    And this is your dad:



    Lulz.
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    (Original post by EffieFlowers)
    Well, my God. Pray, tell us whats so absolutely marvellous about Cameron. :rolleyes:
    Do you have any real arguments against Cameron's proposals to improve teaching or not?
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    david camerons WeLL BuFf
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    (Original post by Blátönn)
    Fine then, considering your propensity for mother jokes,
    Your mum is so fat when i jumped on her stomach i high fived jesus.
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    (Original post by usainlightning)
    Your mum is so fat when i jumped on her stomach i high fived jesus.
    Your mother before the accident.

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    I'd like to actually address Cameron's proposals rather than join in the ideological bickering and gay boy "yo momma" jokes so here goes:

    (1) No financial help with training for those who failed to get at least a second-class university degree. That gets my vote. If you can't get a 2:2 degree you have no business wasting further taxpayer money or standing in front of a class of children.

    (2) Those with the highest grades in maths and science could have student loans paid off. Makes sense. The country is short of math and science teachers. This will encourage some good ones to enter the classroom which is just what the country needs as, year after year, it continues to fall behind other countries in both these subjects.

    (3) The Tories also say they will recruit high-flyers from other professions. Nice idea, but high fliers from other professions are unlikely to be tempted by current teacher salaries.

    (4) Raising the required standard of entry and setting up a scheme - called Teach Now - to encourage people who had succeeded in other professions to go into education. Clearly, if the present entry standard is a third class degree you are attracting a lot of third class candidates. There can be no real objection to raising such an abysmally low standard. Not sure about the TN scheme. As I have said, few sucessful professionals are going to be tempted by teachers salaries.

    (5) Free schools to pay good teachers more. Head teachers will have the power to use their budgets to pay bonuses to the best teachers. Why not indeed? Why should a crap teacher be paid the same as a fantastic teacher? Performance based bonuses are common in just about every other profession so why not teaching. Same thing for salary - should a brilliant teacher be paid the same as a useless one?
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    (Original post by jacketpotato)
    hey you :woo:

    Yes, my point is that teaching would need quite a big pay rise to make good on his promises. It isn't possible for Cameron to throw money around like that and boost NHS spending and have tax cuts and cut the debt and cut the deficit. Something is going to have to go - I wish he'd man up and make some hard choices.
    He's not proposing tax cuts is he? Or boosting NHS spending?

    But even if he were, surely he'd only be taking lessons from that master conjurer himself - Gordon Brown - he's had no problems pulling off tricks like this for the last decade. Probably why the country is 1.5 trillion in debt!
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    (Original post by thefish_uk)
    Sorry that is precisely one of the major problems with education at the moment... getting grades is a case of jumping through hoops meaning that teachers are focusing on getting kids through these hoops rather than encouraging a rounded knowledge of the subject. The reason why teachers are doing it is because the public have become obsessed with league tables and so teachers are told by their management to focus only on getting the grades.
    What's the point of being well rounded in a subject? As far as this country is concerned, and other countries too, all they care about is grades. If you believe that having a well rounded knowledge of a subject makes you a more rounded person then think again. Education counts for **** all but a shiny stamp to say, i've got a 1st class honours degree in xyz
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    They need to sort out the National Curriculum first.
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    My teachers at school, or more than half of them, were ****. Make teaching as elite as possible is what I say. If people aren't good enough to be teachers then they don't deserve the right to be let loose upon children to ruin their education. At A level I had two awesome teachers, both who had degrees from Oxford. Good teachers make a difference.
    If pupils don't respect teachers then they are not going to want to learn. I had a teacher at GCSE who couldn't even spell, I was suprised she even had a 3rd class degree from a uni. If the pupils are cleverer and more knowledgeable than the teacher, even when they are 15, then something is seriously wrong. Teachers ought to be people we look up to, role models, fountains of wisdom and knowledge, not people we wouldn't want even handling our change in Mcdonalds.
 
 
 
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