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    (Original post by ghast)
    What I don't get is that in life they aren't going to get extra time....! so why in exams? Someone crush this argument please!
    They will get other adjustments though.
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    (Original post by suicidaloverbusiness)
    Sorry what do you mean by verbal 'ability'. How does someone have an ability at speaking and also what do you mean by cognitive ability. It's just that I've read through the posts on this thread regarding the symptons of dyslexia and I match every single one - this is no joke - I just need to see if my verbal and cognitive ability is also affected in the same way as dyslexia.
    I'm really sorry I can't explain it as I don't know enough about it. Its to do with the different ways the brain functions (I believe) for a proper diagnosis a test is done that assesses the individual. If you match the symptoms see if your uni/school offers free dyslexia screening. then you can think about payng for the full report (though you can get money back on that too.)
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    I'm generally not a fan. I'm sure any arguments I'd now spew out have already been raised.
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    Is it possible to have dyslexia and be able to spell words pretty decently but have difficulty in remembering the spelling when it comes to exams or other pressured situations.
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    (Original post by rainbowbex)
    I'm really sorry I can't explain it as I don't know enough about it. Its to do with the different ways the brain functions (I believe) for a proper diagnosis a test is done that assesses the individual. If you match the symptoms see if your uni/school offers free dyslexia screening. then you can think about payng for the full report (though you can get money back on that too.)
    I feel like I have the majority of the symptoms but not every single one. Do I have to ask to be screened or do the teachers need to guess that something is wrong with you.
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    (Original post by suicidaloverbusiness)
    I feel like I have the majority of the symptoms but not every single one. Do I have to ask to be screened to do the teachers need to guess that something is wrong with you.
    I don't know, my student advisor told me I should get screened as I have a few of the symptoms and a family member with dyslexia

    I'd really suggest talking to your parents about it. Also talk to any guidance type teachers at school, or I think even GP (though I'm really not sure on that one)

    I'm really not the best person to ask! sorry I can't be more helpful!
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    (Original post by rainbowbex)
    I don't know, my student advisor told me I should get screened as I have a few of the symptoms and a family member with dyslexia

    I'd really suggest talking to your parents about it. Also talk to any guidance type teachers at school, or I think even GP (though I'm really not sure on that one)

    I'm really not the best person to ask! sorry I can't be more helpful!
    No your information has been very helpful and thank you for taking the time to reply to my posts.
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    (Original post by Kreuzuerk)
    I'm generally not a fan. I'm sure any arguments I'd now spew out have already been raised.
    Come on, I was looking forward to banishing your arguments in that thread a while back that got closed, come on .
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    (Original post by there's too much love)
    I agree with dyslexics getting 'extra time'. But then I think everyone should be given a hell of a lot of time. I think exam time should double, at least. The reason is that the time constraints can put some people under pressure that isn't necessarily out there in the real world. Furthermore I think people who can't write quickly and coherently in a legible way should where possible be given the use of a keyboard if it suits their needs better.
    As a dyslexic boy with bad and slow hand writing, who makes a lot more spelling mistakes when he writes (regardless of spell check) I must admit, I wouldn't be able to actually do exams without a keyboard.
    The problem with doubling the time for everyone would be that not only would the people who needed that time write more, the people who could write quickly would also write twice as much at the same standard as they normally would and that'd be the new standard to judge against. The amount a quick-writing person who was good at the subject could write in the pre-time-doubled exams would no longer be the top achievement, and the slow-writing people would be left behind just as much.
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    (Original post by suicidaloverbusiness)
    I feel like I have the majority of the symptoms but not every single one. Do I have to ask to be screened or do the teachers need to guess that something is wrong with you.
    Ask to be screened, you get given a computer test which you can fake if you wish. But if that indicates dyslexia then you will have to see an educational psychologist, and if you decide I will perform crap in the tasks I will be diagnosed, it doesn't work like that, they are looking for specific patterns, if you just **** everything up they will just think your retarded.
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    Ask to be screened, you get given a computer test which you can fake if you wish. But if that indicates dyslexia then you will have to see an educational psychologist, and if you decide I will perform crap in the tasks I will be diagnosed, it doesn't work like that, they are looking for specific patterns, if you just **** everything up they will just think your retarded.
    Firstly, I don't know HOW to fake the test and secondly I would much rather NOT have dyslexia because it would mean I've performed crap in essay based exams due to the the disorder and I don't think the extra time benefits dyslexic people because they clearly need it. If some people are successful in faking the whole thing then their just retards and when it comes to doing jobs they'll just be less capable because they've gone through their entire life having extra time and advantages which won't help them in the long run.
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    I got diagnosed with dyslexia when I was 14. Only after being so fed up that I went and referred myself to the learning support people at my school.
    My teachers hadn't actually noticed that I was struggling (which I was!) because I worked so damn hard. Heck, I was in the top classes for everything apart from English (I was in the second division) and French (third.)
    I was also diagnosed with dyspraxia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developmental_dyspraxia) at the same time, and it's that really that got me my extra time. It's not that I just have messy handwriting but because I can't actually hold a pen correctly, my hand starts aching extremely quickly (usually after only a few sentences of writing) so my handwriting gets even worse rendering it illegible so I get a word processor (with no spell-checker BTW!) in my exams and the extra time to make up for the fact that my typing speed is slower than my handwriting and also because I find it harder to spell correctly when typing.

    (Original post by suicidaloverbusiness)
    Sorry what do you mean by verbal 'ability'. How does someone have an ability at speaking and also what do you mean by cognitive ability. It's just that I've read through the posts on this thread regarding the symptons of dyslexia and I match every single one - this is no joke - I just need to see if my verbal and cognitive ability is also affected in the same way as dyslexia.

    OK, I'll try to explain.

    For qualifying for the DSA (it's not just about laptops BTW, it's also about paying the teachers etc for the specialist study support that you need. Mine is £46 an hour. ) I had to do the full-on proper tests. (In May 2009 when I was 17.)
    You do a load of tests and only at the end was I told what each one was for and what it showed. After doing my own little Internet searching I think I've figured them out.
    Basically did this test: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanfor...ligence_Scales

    Now to work out where you are, your scores are then converted into whatever percentile they will fall into. So say your IQ falls into the 70th percentile, that means that 30% of people your age will be able to score higher.
    The difference between your Verbal IQ and your Non-Verbal IQ will highlight if you have a problem. Usually, the difference between the two in a normal person shouldn't be that big.

    My Verbal IQ is 132 which is in the 97th percentile.
    My Non-Verbal IQ is 99 which is in the 47th percentile.
    Overall my IQ is still in the above-average category (87th percentile. I forgot what the actual score was.) but it kinda sucks because I'm completely **** at somethings. (Like writing essays...)
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    (Original post by nolongerhearthemusic)
    The problem with doubling the time for everyone would be that not only would the people who needed that time write more, the people who could write quickly would also write twice as much at the same standard as they normally would and that'd be the new standard to judge against. The amount a quick-writing person who was good at the subject could write in the pre-time-doubled exams would no longer be the top achievement, and the slow-writing people would be left behind just as much.
    Now THAT is a really, really good justification.
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    (Original post by Hravan)
    My Verbal IQ is 132 which is in the 97th percentile.
    My Non-Verbal IQ is 99 which is in the 47th percentile.
    Overall my IQ is still in the above-average category (87th percentile. I forgot what the actual score was.) but it kinda sucks because I'm completely **** at somethings. (Like writing essays...)
    Heh your scores are very similar to mine though I had more of an issue with processing speed than my non-verbal IQ (though it was still pretty **** compared to my verbal.)

    Did you have an issue with that at all?
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    (Original post by 5Stories)
    I remember making an identical thread about this ages ago and getting shot down.

    I went to a private school and the school encouraged everyone to go to an expensive private doctors and take a 'dyselxia test'. All of those privileged enough to have a few hundred pounds to spend on this doctor's appointment conveniently passed (or should that be failed?) and were diagnosed as dyslexic. It's a bit of a joke that in my English exam, 8 out of 10 of my fellow classmates were 'dyslexic', despite it not being a special school and with one or two exceptions everyone was clearly perfectly capable. Then bizarely I had a friend who got extra time AND a laptop for having poor handwriting. He was allowed a laptop for the poor handwriting but even he couldn't explain why the school allowed him extra time as well, but who would turn it down? Essentially, it was a private school so the kids parent's were well off and they paid for the extra time. The loophole was there and it was used. I'm willing to bet the percentage of kids in private schools with extra time is enormously higher than those in state schools. That cannot be fair.

    Now, I'm not saying there aren't people out there with genuine learning disabilities but the system is so easily exploited it's insulting to those people who really do have these learning disabilities.
    To be frank, whilst my school's not quite as bad, I'd definitely never say this doesn't happen here.

    (Original post by Reue)
    Personally im not a fan of extra time for dyslexia.

    My joined-up handwriting is terrible, forcing me to write everything in single letters so others can actually read it. Takes twice as long. Did I ever get extra time? Hell no.

    And why not? As others have said "They need that time to reach their full potential"... well then certainly didnt I? Dont people who take a long time to Read? People who take a long time to write? People who take a long time to think? People who have a tendancy to daydream?

    The problem with giving some people extra time and not others is that it totally ruins the whole point of exams: To judge a person's ability set against benchmarks.

    If someone can work out a complex maths equation.. but takes 2 hours to do so, should they be allowed 2 hours to work it out? I mean, to "reach their full ability" they'd need that 2 hours.. but would any real job in the world actually give you that time? And should they be allowed to compare an answer they've had 2 hours producing to one someone's been forced to do in just 1 hour? In my opinion, no.

    I think exams need to differentiate between potential and ability. Yes, someone may have the potential to be amazing at maths.. given the time and support, But their actual ability is not nearly as high if it takes them alot longer to do so when compared to a standard benchmark.
    I kind of agree with this - the very concept doesn't make sense. Realistically I feel the only actual exam you can have is one where everyone from the braindead moron in the corner to the dyslexic but hardworking students to the ordinary people (please don't take that as me calling other people freaks) have the same time, and the same choice of how to do the exam.
    This system would be fair. The reality is just that some people need to be 'fairer' than others (ala Animal Farm).
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    (Original post by Hravan)
    I got diagnosed with dyslexia when I was 14. Only after being so fed up that I went and referred myself to the learning support people at my school.
    My teachers hadn't actually noticed that I was struggling (which I was!) because I worked so damn hard. Heck, I was in the top classes for everything apart from English (I was in the second division) and French (third.)
    I was also diagnosed with dyspraxia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developmental_dyspraxia) at the same time, and it's that really that got me my extra time. It's not that I just have messy handwriting but because I can't actually hold a pen correctly, my hand starts aching extremely quickly (usually after only a few sentences of writing) so my handwriting gets even worse rendering it illegible so I get a word processor (with no spell-checker BTW!) in my exams and the extra time to make up for the fact that my typing speed is slower than my handwriting and also because I find it harder to spell correctly when typing.




    OK, I'll try to explain.

    For qualifying for the DSA (it's not just about laptops BTW, it's also about paying the teachers etc for the specialist study support that you need. Mine is £46 an hour. ) I had to do the full-on proper tests. (In May 2009 when I was 17.)
    You do a load of tests and only at the end was I told what each one was for and what it showed. After doing my own little Internet searching I think I've figured them out.
    Basically did this test: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanfor...ligence_Scales

    Now to work out where you are, your scores are then converted into whatever percentile they will fall into. So say your IQ falls into the 70th percentile, that means that 30% of people your age will be able to score higher.
    The difference between your Verbal IQ and your Non-Verbal IQ will highlight if you have a problem. Usually, the difference between the two in a normal person shouldn't be that big.

    My Verbal IQ is 132 which is in the 97th percentile.
    My Non-Verbal IQ is 99 which is in the 47th percentile.
    Overall my IQ is still in the above-average category (87th percentile. I forgot what the actual score was.) but it kinda sucks because I'm completely **** at somethings. (Like writing essays...)
    Oh god reading through all this and the link, I really do think that I have dyslexia. Also I was planning on choosing practically all essay based A levels. It's a good job that I realised the symptons now or I'd be making a mistake. I really do hope that I don't have dyslexia because it would put me off wanting to do law (my aspired occupation). I have had my heart set on doing law at uni since I can last remember, and now I think those dreams will be shattered by a stupid disorder.
    What shall I do? Should I just approach my form tutor and inform her and then see what advice she gives or should I...?
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    (Original post by Rucklo)
    Heh your scores are very similar to mine though I had more of an issue with processing speed than my non-verbal IQ (though it was still pretty **** compared to my verbal.)

    Did you have an issue with that at all?
    Meh... not really.

    My main problem was the test where you get given those shapes and then shown a diagram with another shape and you have to make that shape with the ones you have.
    My assessor stopped that test after only 5 shapes because for all of them (apart from the very first one that helpfully had a little diagram showing how it fitted together) I just sat there looking at them like this :lolwut:
    Basically all the tests that involved shapes or patterns (but not word or number patterns strangely - just patterns) I was

    My reading comprehension is fing amazing. It's just writing that I have issues with (amongst other things).
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    (Original post by suicidaloverbusiness)
    Oh god reading through all this and the link, I really do think that I have dyslexia. Also I was planning on choosing practically all essay based A levels. It's a good job that I realised the symptons now or I'd be making a mistake. I really do hope that I don't have dyslexia because it would put me off wanting to do law (my aspired occupation). I have had my heart set on doing law at uni since I can last remember, and now I think those dreams will be shattered by a stupid disorder.
    What shall I do? Should I just approach my form tutor and inform her and then see what advice she gives or should I...?
    Do you have a study support section at your school? Or people who deal with the specific learning disabilities? Go and try to book an appointment with them. That's what I did, I didn't bother going to my teachers because none of them thought I had any issues (or at least that's what I figured seeing as they'd had 3 and a half years already in which to inform me of any problems.)
    Although your form tutor might be able to help. I didn't bother because I was so pissed off after one English lesson that it was quicker just to go down to the study support department, than walk to the other side of the school to see my form tutor.
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    (Original post by Hravan)
    Do you have a study support section at your school? Or people who deal with the specific learning disabilities? Go and try to book an appointment with them. That's what I did, I didn't bother going to my teachers because none of them thought I had any issues (or at least that's what I figured seeing as they'd had 3 and a half years already in which to inform me of any problems.)
    Although your form tutor might be able to help. I didn't bother because I was so pissed off after one English lesson that it was quicker just to go down to the study support department, than walk to the other side of the school to see my form tutor.
    So I need to go to the special needs people in my school. But didn't you feel dumb having to walk into the special needs section of the school. I'd feel rather embarrassed (no offense). What's more is that i'm a colossal perfectionist meaning I can't walk into the special needs area without feeling ashamed. Won't i look dumb if I do the test and then find out that I don't have dyslexia after all.

    Oh and what happened in your english lesson.
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    firstly....you can not just claim to be dyslexic, you have to have an official test done by a educational pshycologist to say you are. with out this document you cannot get extra time in exams. so your friends are dyslexic.

    secondly... dyslexia is better discribed as slow. it is not about intellgence more about not being able to prosses info as fast as the average person.

    thirdly... if a uni sees that you are dyslexic and you did not take the extra time in the exam it could be seen as 'not taking help when it is given'.
 
 
 
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