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    (Original post by EmiPark)
    Oh my god, you're ******* sick! Have you no morals??? How can anyone find a toddler sexually attractive??????? How can you think there is nothing wrong it??????/ Am I the only sane one here?????
    Answer my question, and calm down too.
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    pedos are just sick, the next one i see is gonna get shot...... my childminder was a pedo. sick ******* raped his own sister, and mine
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    (Original post by Phalanges)
    The difference is people "respect" a murderer through fear. Most people don't fear a pedophile.
    Au contraire.

    I believe little children and their parents fear pedophiles. They certainly don't respect them though. It's comparable to the fear that people have of spiders (or along the same lines.).
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    (Original post by ciawhobat)
    I love myself, and I wouldn't be surprised if other people have loved myself, too. That doesn't make me want to commit suicide.

    If you met a man now who told you that he knew you when you were a todler, and had a few ***** about you in private, would you literally kill yourself?
    no i'd kill them
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    (Original post by Phugoid)
    Your 'honest opinion' was the same 'honest opinion' about homosexuals less than 50 years ago.

    Paedophiles do not need to be treated for anything. They have a sexual attraction to children, but that does not mean they are a threat to children. I have a sexual attraction to women, but I am not a threat to them, and the same is true of a vast majority of paedophiles.

    People who actually molest children should be punished, but the line between child molesters, and paedophiles is as clear cut as the line between straight men, and straight men who rape women.

    Paedophilia is not a problem. Child molestation is. Paedophiles should be left in peace. Child molestors should be dealt with. Paedophiles are treated too harshly. Child molesters are not treated harshly enough. Paedophiles are normal, functioning members of society. Child molesters are delinquents.

    People, please mark the difference between these two very different groups of people in the same way that you mark the difference between men who are attracted to women, and men who rape women.

    You have a reasonable and well-rounded way of arguing this point - but you're just getting way, way too academic about it.

    Pedophilia IS a problem. Why? Not because it is a sexual disease, because a person who is sexually attracted to children is not diseased - it's simply something that is intolerable to society. Not to mention DAMAGING to the recipients of it, psychologically upsetting on so, so many levels. That's not to say every pedophile is a threat to society, but pedophiles still can't be treated as decent, respectable members of society while there is the slight chance that their sexual inclination to children may lead them to cross the line from being a PEDOPHILE - to a CHILD MOLESTER.

    Homosexuality and pedophilia can't be compared.

    Why?

    Because homosexuality is the act of being sexually attracted to peers - semi-grown to fully-grown men (generally speaking, of course). It isn't solely concerned with 14-on-down BOYS who have yet to hit puberty is it? Or further down to toddlers, as many 'normal, functioning' pedophiles find themselves attracted to?

    Pedophilia isn't a disease - but it might as well be for all the damage it can cause. Saying it's 'disgusting' - even though it is - doesn't make it wrong, yes. But for its effects - for the dangers involved, and the risks pedophiles pose to the small, the undeveloped and the vulnerable - well, let's say it deserves a name that sounds like an STD/virus.

    (Speaking from personal experience, unfortunately.)
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    (Original post by Ajes)
    Au contraire.

    I believe little children and their parents fear pedophiles. They certainly don't respect them though. It's comparable to the fear that people have of spiders (or along the same lines.).
    That's what I meant by most people.
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    (Original post by rrea436)
    no i'd kill them
    Im imagining you as a baby right now, and touching my ****. How does that make you feel?
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    (Original post by Onychophagia)
    It is according to the DSM-IV.
    I disagree though.

    Being sexually turned on by prebubescent kids is unusual. That doesn't make it a mental illness.
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    They are all on the same level. If I'm perfectly honest, I think murderers need either life imprisonment (and I mean LIFE) or the death penalty. The same goes for rapists and paedophiles.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    I disagree though.

    Being sexually turned on by prebubescent kids is unusual. That doesn't make it a mental illness.
    Fair shout.

    According to earlier versions homosexuality was a mental illness. :rofl:
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    (Original post by Dante's Not My Name)
    You have a reasonable and well-rounded way of arguing this point - but you're just getting way, way too academic about it.
    There is no such thing as being 'too academic' about something.

    Pedophilia IS a problem. Why? Not because it is a sexual disease, because a person who is sexually attracted to children is not diseased - it's simply something that is intolerable to society. Not to mention DAMAGING to the recipients of it, psychologically upsetting on so, so many levels. That's not to say every pedophile is a threat to society, but pedophiles still can't be treated as decent, respectable members of society while there is the slight chance that their sexual inclination to children may lead them to cross the line from being a PEDOPHILE - to a CHILD MOLESTER.
    Again, you could easily apply the same logic to a heterosexual male. There is a slight chance that a heterosexual male's sexual inclination will lead to them crossing the line from being a heterosexual male - to a RAPIST.

    Also, paedophilia doesn't have 'recipients'. Child molestation does.

    What you have said so far is that paedophilia is a problem because some paedophiles cross the line into child molestation. That is invalid logic.

    Homosexuality and pedophilia can't be compared.

    Why?

    Because homosexuality is the act of being sexually attracted to peers - semi-grown to fully-grown men (generally speaking, of course). It isn't solely concerned with 14-on-down BOYS who have yet to hit puberty is it? Or further down to toddlers, as many 'normal, functioning' pedophiles find themselves attracted to?
    It doesn't matter what the object of a sexual attraction is. Whether it is feet, same gender, opposite gender, animals, tights, phallic objects, trees, bikes or Oasis Summer Fruit, it doesn't matter. The attraction is the same - the only thing that changes is the moral consequences when the attraction is put into action. However, when it is put into action, we are no longer talking about the attraction itself.

    An attraction to 14 year old boys is as harmless as an attraction to adult females, adult males, etc. Raping a 14 year old boy is as harmful as raping a fully adult woman. The only difference between that two is that a straight male has the option of consensual sex whereas a paedophile doesn't, but that doesn't mean that he WILL make the leap top child molester.

    Pedophilia isn't a disease - but it might as well be for all the damage it can cause. Saying it's 'disgusting' - even though it is - doesn't make it wrong, yes. But for its effects - for the dangers involved, and the risks pedophiles pose to the small, the undeveloped and the vulnerable - well, let's say it deserves a name that sounds like an STD/virus.
    Again, there are no effects of paedophilia, no risks, no recipients, no victims. Paedophilia is a thought. It's an idea, or a fantasy, or an image inside the mind of an individual. Thoughts cannot harm other people. Child molestation can, but paedophilia is not synonymous with this, and I very much doubt it's any more highly correlated than rape is to heterosexuality.

    (Speaking from personal experience, unfortunately.)
    You have personal experience of child molestation, and that's terrible. But you should not let this make you irrational about who you are directing your anger and blame at.

    Paedophilia has NEVER harmed you. Child molestation has. They are two different things. One is an idea, one is an action. Ideas don't hurt anybody, actions do.
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    (Original post by ciawhobat)
    Im imagining you as a baby right now, and touching my ****. How does that make you feel?
    You should try his sister. Yummy.
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    (Original post by Onychophagia)
    Fair shout.

    According to earlier versions homosexuality was a mental illness. :rofl:
    Exactly. If we classified everybody who was sexually turned on by unusual things half the country would need locking up.

    Fecophiliacs, swingers, homosexuals, S&M'ers, femmdoms, water sportsmen, people with foot fetishes, vouyers, role-players etc etc etc-are they all mentally ill?
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    I definitely see where you're coming from. It seems like society has a much less forgiving attitude towards people who commit sexual offences to children compared to murderers. People are also suspicious of a 'potential paedo'. I know in some primary schools parents aren't allowed to take pictures of their kids during school performances incase the images are put online for whatever reason. Often parents are worried about letting their young kids go on internet chatrooms because of paedophiles.

    It's obvious that those who molest children should be punished. However I do think that the public is much more suspicious of other people and have picked up the thought that 'anyone' could be a paedophile. The bad publicity from all of these child molesting cases have really attached a nasty stench to the word.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    water sportsmen

    :lolwut:


    ....what?
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    (Original post by Ajes)
    :lolwut:


    ....what?
    I thought this myself hahahaha....
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    (Original post by Phugoid)
    Paedophilia has NEVER harmed you. Child molestation has. They are two different things. One is an idea, one is an action. Ideas don't hurt anybody, actions do.
    You could say that actions stem from ideas.

    The problem I see with likening a heterosexual or homosexual sexual preference with a paedophilic one is that they are based on different factors. Hetero and Homo sexualities focus on just that: a sex, a gender. However, Paedophilia is primarily based on age, not gender, and because of that many paedophiles would be unable to have a meaningful relationship with an adult (regardless of their gender).

    I do think that this sexual frustration would inherently increase the correlation between a sexual preference for children and molestation of children.

    Sorry to jump back in, but I'm subscribed to the thread and writing points as I they occur to me.
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    (Original post by Phugoid)
    I thought this myself hahahaha....

    He could mean a guy/girl that likes a golden shower but really..Water sportsmen? That Michael Phelps is one sick individual!
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    (Original post by punkyrocker)
    You could say that actions stem from ideas.
    Of course they do. But the fact remains that every single one of us has thousands of ideas every single day, and we only ever act on a tiny, negligible proportion of them.

    The problem I see with likening a heterosexual or homosexual sexual preference with a paedophilic one is that they are based on different factors. Hetero and Homo sexualities focus on just that: a sex, a gender. However, Paedophilia is primarily based on age, not gender, and because of that many paedophiles would be unable to have a meaningful relationship with an adult (regardless of their gender).
    But you are wrong. Heterosexuality and homosexuality IS based on age too. I, personally, wouldn't go out with a girl aged below 17, or a girl aged above about 25. I'm 20 years old. So, my heterosexuality does have age factored into it. I'm sure you have a similar age restriction on whatever your sexual preference is.

    You're also wrong that paedophilia doesn't have a gender factor. It does. Many paedophiles have an attraction to only one gender of child.

    And the notion that paedophiles can't have a meaningful relationship with the object of their desires is the same for homosexuals and heterosexuals. Every single day in the street we pass by people we are attracted to, and yet, we know we will never have a meaningful relationship with them. That doesn't mean we're inclined to rape them. Paedophiles experience the same thign... they see children every day who they are attracted to, but they realise they'll never have a relationship with any of them.

    I do think that this sexual frustration would inherently increase the correlation between a sexual preference for children and molestation of children.
    I don't think it would. After all, there are heterosexuals and homosexuals who go for decades without ever experiencing sex or relationships, and the vast majority of them do not just go out and rape somebody out of frustration.

    Also, paedophiles are often not EXCLUSIVELY paedophiles. Many people who are attracted to children are ALSO attracted to people their own age, and so they can have extremely healthy sexual relationships, all the while keeping their child fantasies locked within their minds. Some may get their partner to dress child-like, some may watch cartoon child porn. There ARE outlets for paedophiles.

    Sorry to jump back in, but I'm subscribed to the thread and writing points as I they occur to me.
    Cool cool.
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    (Original post by hmon93)
    In my opinion, ruining someones life is worse than taking it...
    I don't think all paedophiles need shot, I think those who do not act on their ... whatever it is... should have access to professional help.
    However, anyone that abuses a child deserves punishment.
    So, if you've been raped. Just kill 'em eh? After all, you're putting them out of their misery.

    Give me a break. People recover from distress. People don't recover from death.
 
 
 
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