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    (Original post by Phugoid)
    I found out Santa wasn't real when I was 7, and that didn't stop me from feeling that 'feeling' each Christmas up until I was around 12-14. My wonder at Christmas didn't end when I found out Santa wasn't real, it ended when I hit puberty.

    I still get that same feeling, btw. But not from Christmas. I get that feelings of wonder and amazement when I get lost in the Ultra Deep Field. I get it when I view the moon with a high-detail telescope. I get it when I see images of galaxies from afar. I get it when I see real science showing me the beauty of nature in a lab. I get it when I see people's eyes light up when I tell them something interesting about the real world. I get it when I get told something interesting about the real world.

    My children will get that feeling from the real, natural world - not some lie-filled NONSENSE shoved down their throat as fact.

    Now, there's nothing wrong with children having an imagination. I wouldn't tell my child to stop playing with his Batman figures because they're not actually Batman. Imagination is a wonderful, beautiful thing ... but... you don't actually need to BELIEVE your imagination to enjoy it. Almost every night I read, and quite often I read fictional novels. Obviously, I know none of what is being said actually happened, but I let my imagination wonder, and enjoy it fully. The same is true of childhood. I never believed my batman figurines were actually batman. I never believed I could fly. I never believed that my carpet was hot magma, and that my couches were rocks on which to leap. But that didn't stop me enjoying it.

    The difference between all of these things, and Santa, is that a child is actually made to believe that Santa exists. They are not asked to imagine he exists. They are not asked to pretend he exists. They are not asked to engage with their imagination. They are simply TOLD something that quite simply isn't true, and as a parent who should want their child to be a lover of reality, and an intellectual mind, that is a travesty. To turn to your own child, and tell them a lie, is the worst thing I could imagine I could do to my child.

    You are despicable, sir.

    LOLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.Z.Z.Z

    Message from Phugoid to me - accompanying a negative respect mark or whatever it's called:

    "I deplore you for not doing the best you can to make sure your kids aren't prone to being gullible morons with their heads lost in a world that is not reality.

    You truly are a despicable person. So just before the moment when you first tell your child that Santa Claus exists, I hope you think about what I've said. I hope you think about what it will mean for you and your child once you have uttered your lies. I hope you appreciate, at that moment, that lying to them is the wrong thing to do."

    Wow. Whhaaat.... A..... Psycho.

    Would give you one back mate, but firstly I think you're ridiculous & slightly scary.... Giving you a negative mark might enrage you further & we might end up with an English version of the Virginia Tech massacre, and secondly...... I don't know how....

    Either way, u got some serious issues bud!

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    Found out how to Neg yo ass! Have that ****!
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    Haven't read to see if its actually been written but:

    Why is it acceptable for an old man to come into a SLEEPING child's room and leave gifts?

    If you were in the street and a man offered you gifts he'd be branded a paedophile.

    The fact that children are allowed to ''sit on his knee'' and ask for what they want.

    But a man cannot sit next to an unattended child on an aeroplane?
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    (Original post by Fatal_Microbes)
    Haven't read to see if its actually been written but:

    Why is it acceptable for an old man to come into a SLEEPING child's room and leave gifts?

    If you were in the street and a man offered you gifts he'd be branded a paedophile.

    The fact that children are allowed to ''sit on his knee'' and ask for what they want.

    But a man cannot sit next to an unattended child on an aeroplane?
    Thinking about all of this relating to Paedophilia? :eek:
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    (Original post by Wata)
    Thinking about all of this relating to Paedophilia? :eek:
    I do appear to have mised the point this time.
    Sorry.

    But it's weird in terms of how we behave as a society and yet christmas is allowed to be an exception to the rule as it falls on ' our Lord's ' birthday.
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    (Original post by innerhollow)


    If I was to ever have kids (I won't but...) I would not allow them to believe in Santa Claus. I don't understand how any parent thought that was a good idea- the children don't REALLY behave well as a consequence, think the fact that they don't get as nice presents as the other kids is because Santa hates them, and the children feel no gratitude to their parents for all those awesome presents.
    I've never been able to understand why children don't question when it says right there on their present 'Love for Mum and Dad' or 'Merry Christmas from Auntie Julie'
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    (Original post by Fatal_Microbes)

    The fact that children are allowed to ''sit on his knee'' and ask for what they want.

    But a man cannot sit next to an unattended child on an aeroplane?
    They're not allowed to sit on his knee anymore.

    Found this out at Christmas when I took my little brother to see a Father Christmas in a shopping centre. The elf told me it was "for obvious reasons".
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    (Original post by Steezy)
    Sorry to say, I'm with Phugoid on this one. It is a story made many years ago to keep everyone in control by pushing the morals of few onto many.
    Actually 6 of the Ten Commandments are just the sort of rules ideally followed by a civilised society. Yes, the notion of God was used to make people fearful enough to follow them, but you would have to be pretty odd to not think these are reasonable (and yes, there are probably exceptional situations, I just mean generally)

    Honour your parents
    Do not murder
    Do not commit adultery
    Do not steal
    Do not lie
    Do not envy

    A society where people do not, for the most part, follow these rules even unconsciously would not be much a of a society for very long.
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    (Original post by Princesschickenbelly)
    They're not allowed to sit on his knee anymore.

    Found this out at Christmas when I took my little brother to see a Father Christmas in a shopping centre. The elf told me it was "for obvious reasons".
    Really? lmfao, the system works =D
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    (Original post by SpamBa)
    Actually 6 of the Ten Commandments are just the sort of rules ideally followed by a civilised society. Yes, the notion of God was used to make people fearful enough to follow them, but you would have to be pretty odd to not think these are reasonable (and yes, there are probably exceptional situations, I just mean generally)

    Honour your parents
    Do not murder
    Do not commit adultery
    Do not steal
    Do not lie
    Do not envy

    A society where people do not, for the most part, follow these rules even unconsciously would not be much a of a society for very long.
    This is true. However, I have enough common sense to do those things without being brainwashed by somebody elses view of a optimum society. And although those six commandments are very reasonable, I'm not so sure of the entirety of the morals which are suggested in pretty much any religious book.

    I find it an insult to my intelligence that certain religious societies try to push these morals onto me, so that I can be "saved" from eternal damnation. These people are scared of a fictional land created by very questionable sources.
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    The fact that 90% of the working population are happy enough to work for just enough money to pay their bills and get drunk at the weekends, and then simply forget about how much better their lives would be if the 10% that they worked for weren't simply letting them have just enough money to pay their bills and get drunk at the weekend. I think it's weird that we see it as normal.
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    How is showing your middle finger on its own rude? Or 2 fingers? And how we can be so easily entertained that we sit and watch a moving image of people talking or doing things that aren't real.

    The way teachers run round like headless chickens trying to force some people to progress when you can tell they'll immediately go on the dole and have a child. I agree with clapping, reminds me of award ceremonies cause I get sick of clapping!
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    (Original post by Botticello)
    How is showing your middle finger on its own rude? Or 2 fingers?
    It's said that the 'V' sign orginated from after the battle of Agincourt and other battles in the 15th century - these two fingers were used by archers to pull back their bowstrings, England was famed for its archers and won many battles, especially against the French, through them. As a result of this, when an Englishman wanted to insult a Frenchman all he had to do was show off the two fingers, to remind him of their military defeats. Somehow the fingers reversed, and the original meaning was forgotten, but it remained as a generic rude gesture.
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    (Original post by FormerlyHistoryStudent)
    It's said that the 'V' sign orginated from after the battle of Agincourt and other battles in the 15th century - these two fingers were used by archers to pull back their bowstrings, England was famed for its archers and won many battles, especially against the French, through them. As a result of this, when an Englishman wanted to insult a Frenchman all he had to do was show off the two fingers, to remind him of their military defeats. Somehow the fingers reversed, and the original meaning was forgotten, but it remained as a generic rude gesture.

    I heard a different story - the Japanese used to cut the index & middle finger off their prisoners of war. When the English caught one of the Japanese/when the war ended, they would show the two fingers as a taunt that they still had them.

    I also heard it was a V for Victory which was originally used by Winston Churchill.

    I've done no research to check these, just what I've heard.
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    (Original post by Steezy)
    I heard a different story - the Japanese used to cut the index & middle finger off their prisoners of war. When the English caught one of the Japanese/when the war ended, they would show the two fingers as a taunt that they still had them.

    I also heard it was a V for Victory which was originally used by Winston Churchill.

    I've done no research to check these, just what I've heard.
    I've heard the Winston Churchill one too. That could mean that either a) it was reversed before, when it came from the English/Welsh archers, and he just made up a new one or b) it was either way round before, and Churchill just made his version respectable by changing the meaning. :p: Never heard of your Japanese theory before, but I've read about the archers one in quite a lot of places.
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    (Original post by FormerlyHistoryStudent)
    I've heard the Winston Churchill one too. That could mean that either a) it was reversed before, when it came from the English/Welsh archers, and he just made up a new one or b) it was either way round before, and Churchill just made his version respectable by changing the meaning. :p: Never heard of your Japanese theory before, but I've read about the archers one in quite a lot of places.

    Can't remember where I heard the Japanese one, obviously not right! Still, don't really know what the middle finger's all about??
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    (Original post by Steezy)
    Can't remember where I heard the Japanese one, obviously not right! Still, don't really know what the middle finger's all about??
    The Japanese thing could be true too though, and the two combined! :dontknow: I think the middle finger is just a modern variation, though saying that it could be a different, more 'phallic' gesture? (Still meant in a rude way obviously.)
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    (Original post by + polarity -)
    Oh! Wow, that's a riveting tale. Wait. Are you Crazy Paving?
    No! :plz2:
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    sex
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    (Original post by Bongboy6969)
    sex
    Getting pleasure from watching others have sex (I think) is weird, but is normal.
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    (Original post by Magic Dust)
    Getting pleasure from watching others have sex (I think) is weird, but is normal.
    oh definatly, the whole idea of porn is crazy, yet it's the most popularthing people want to see on the internet

    the world is plain crazy lol
 
 
 
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