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    (Original post by generic hybrid)
    Yes it is way better to have a system where if you go to the emergency room you have to sit around waiting while they sort out all the insurance forms to make sure they can get money for fixing you!!! a great system
    And I suppose you have a link to that claim?

    My Cousin broke his arm in the UK and had to wait the whole night to be seen. He had almost two weeks of waiting for his operation which could have restricted his mobility. And the condition of the Royal in East London hospital is atrocious.
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    (Original post by generic hybrid)
    Yes it is way better to have a system where if you go to the emergency room you have to sit around waiting while they sort out all the insurance forms to make sure they can get money for fixing you!!! a great system
    generally if it's literally life or death they won't ask questions, they'll treat first. THEN they find out you have no insurance, you get a bill for £15,000 which you can't afford, and so you lose your home to pay for it. GOD BLESS AMERICA!
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    I now feel more than a little bit sorry for Ted Kennedy.

    For those interested, here's a campaign ad for Scott Brown:



    "My name is Scott Brown, and I'm running for the United States Senate. This is my truck."

    :facepalm2:

    I also recommend Tuesday's Daily Show for lols on the subject

    http://www.channel4.com/programmes/t...rt/4od#3022119
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    (Original post by joey11223)
    aye Bupa, pru, aviva offer healthcare too...there's that one which advertises on TV saying "why not bother us, we care", or something along those lines.

    I really don't understand why their all against it? I assume some Americans like the fact their doomed to starve or die. Taking that into account his policy shouldn't offend them as even with his current plans, the desperately poor still won't be able to afford his healthcare as far as I understand it. It'll help small businesses who find the costs too high and lower middle to middle class who may just be out of reach of affording it, especially if their premiums rocket when they get a chronic condition.

    Our system isn't the best but I've talked with a fair few Americans on forums, most of them seem to think we have it better, even if waiting times can be rather longer for non life threatening ailments.
    Yes. Universal health care is the way forward. The poorest people can continue using NHS while the richer have an option to go private or use the NHS - something they are always eligible for since they pay their taxes.

    I think the Americans should follow our lead and opt for this approach in health care. But many people disagree.
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    (Original post by joey11223)
    generally if it's literally life or death they won't ask questions, they'll treat first. THEN they find out you have no insurance, you get a bill for £15,000 which you can't afford, and so you lose your home to pay for it. GOD BLESS AMERICA!
    Which is why ensuring all Americans had access to insurance is so vitally important.
    Insured Americans receive great treatment.

    There is no perfect heath care system, the NHS has major issues and could do with reform. America bashing isn't the answer. Americans want personal responsibility for the health care that's part of the culture.
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    (Original post by UGeNe)
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8466995.stm

    "Republican Scott Brown has won a shock victory in the race for the US Senate seat in Massachusetts left vacant by Democrat Edward Kennedy's death.

    The result is a huge blow to President Barack Obama, whose healthcare reform programme is now in doubt. "
    I think the thread title has a grammatical error. :/
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    (Original post by Studentus-anonymous)
    Lovely.

    George W. Bush runs America into the ground, most Americans seem content to die without adequate healthcare, working their asses off just to cover themselves for a bad cold, hoping they don't get fired or their house repossessed.


    Obama gets elected...a mere man but a damn site better and an improvement over the last government.

    Americans are howler monkeys, any and every reform that could improve their lives and make America better are shouted down in stupid "tea parties" as 'un-american' and 'socialist'.

    God America sometimes you are soooooo ******* stupid. T_T

    But whatever, enjoy your capitalist utopia, I'm sure it will be worth it when you develop cancer or something, lose your job, cant afford healthcare and what-not. I mean really...look at your country and tell me its as good as it can be.

    As for me, being a dirty European, I will wallow in my socialist hell, oh woe is me, having free healthcare, a welfare support system should I get a disability or get fired, oh the horror as my government actually fulfils its basic contractual obligations and actually gives back to the people who support it and the economy.

    Common logic America. You pay taxes no matter what, so why shouldn't those taxes go to providing some services and support for you?

    Oh that's right, because its Socialist. some socialist policies = Stalin.

    Communism fell because it was an authoritarian extreme to one end of the political-economic spectrum.

    Guess what, extremes either way are not good for anyone.

    Lovely over here in the middle-ground.
    finally, someone with some sense.
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    :sigh: :facepalm:
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    I've opposed the idiot since day 1 of his campaign, i'm so glad this happens.
    Also, as Stewart puts it, it's quite embarassing that the democrats seem to need a supermajority to get something passed, while Bush got loads of stuff done with a democratic congress. It really shows how partisan the democrats are.
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    (Original post by InvoluntarySlacker)
    Yes. Universal health care is the way forward. The poorest people can continue using NHS while the richer have an option to go private or use the NHS - something they are always eligible for since they pay their taxes.

    I think the Americans should follow our lead and opt for this approach in health care. But many people disagree.
    The NHS is a government monopoly. Private health care providers can't compete. Which stifles competition and medical innovation.

    Even most middle class Brits. are forced to go through the NHS. The added cost of private coverage is beyond their means given British Taxes. For vital and niche treatments again you have to go back to the NHS.

    This may work in a society like Britain but America is culturally a very different place. As Is France which has insurance as an important segment of healthcare along with government backing. Claiming the NHS is the be all and end all of health care for nations doesn't stack up.
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    (Original post by Liptease)
    And I suppose you have a link to that claim?

    My Cousin broke his arm in the UK and had to wait the whole night to be seen. He had almost two weeks of waiting for his operation which could have restricted his mobility. And the condition of the Royal in East London hospital is atrocious.
    But he was still seen and, I assume, treated and recovered? Would this have been the same in America? Would he be able to afford/be eligible for health insurance and if not, would he have been able to afford to pay for his treatment himself?

    Of course the NHS has its flaws but generally it is a brilliant service that many people would be frankly screwed without! xx
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    dunno why people are going over the top on this Massachusetts healthcare is already more less better then the bill will offer 2006 Massachusetts health care reform
    and pretty much covers people, so the big bad health care reform is not over yet
    :rolleyes:
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    Darned republicans.
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    (Original post by Liptease)
    And I suppose you have a link to that claim?

    My Cousin broke his arm in the UK and had to wait the whole night to be seen. He had almost two weeks of waiting for his operation which could have restricted his mobility. And the condition of the Royal in East London hospital is atrocious.
    A personal anecdote from someone I know who went to the emergency room with severe pain in his chest and was stuck there for most of the night with no medical attention because he'd forgotten some of his insurance details and the insurance forms had to be sorted out first. Turned out he had bone cancer in some of his ribs. If he didn't have insurance then yeah, he would still get treatment, but the price of surviving would be years and years of debt.

    Not a news article or anything but I figure it's worth as much as your anecdote. :o:
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    (Original post by Liptease)
    The NHS is a government monopoly. Private health care providers can't compete. Which stifles competition and medical innovation.

    Even most middle class Brits. are forced to go through the NHS. The added cost of private coverage is beyond their means given British Taxes. For vital and niche treatments again you have to go back to the NHS.

    This may work in a society like Britain but America is culturally a very different place. As Is France which has insurance as an important segment of healthcare along with government backing. Claiming the NHS is the be all and end all of health care for nations doesn't stack up.
    We pay for something that is considerably cheaper in the long run. It's inclusive in our taxes and we benefit from it. The beauty of the NHS is that it caters for all social classes whereas in America, healthcare is limited. It's a sad state when people can not afford to pay for something that will save them because they can't pay for insurance. The only thing culturally different between America and Britain in this context, is that America has a bigger divide between the rich and poor. From what I can gather, the only people that are opposed to the health care reform are the people with considerable wealth. I may am be wrong. Hardly into foreign affairs. :iiam:
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    (Original post by Lust of a Gardener)
    finally, someone with some sense.
    :ditto:
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    (Original post by Liptease)
    The NHS is a government monopoly. Private health care providers can't compete. Which stifles competition and medical innovation.

    Even most middle class Brits. are forced to go through the NHS. The added cost of private coverage is beyond their means given British Taxes. For vital and niche treatments again you have to go back to the NHS.

    This may work in a society like Britain but America is culturally a very different place. As Is France which has insurance as an important segment of healthcare along with government backing. Claiming the NHS is the be all and end all of health care for nations doesn't stack up.
    I think the NHS is a monopoly which works for good. Perfect competition for hospitals wouldn't be such a hot idea either, and I think the option to go private is well within the means of a middle class citizen..patients on the NHS actually have a choice of which hospital they go to or even which GP they register under,NICE makes generally good enough decisions on medical innovation/advancement, so I dont think the NHS suffers much as a result of decreased competition.
    I also don't think what america needs is a'monopoly' like the NHS, but I see no honest reason to be opposed to a system which does something about the shortfall in health coverage for so many people. America spends way more on healthcare per person than the UK does - with worse 'results' - something obviously has to give.
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    (Original post by missbrowneyes)
    Perfect competition for hospitals wouldn't be such a hot idea either
    I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing with this, but would you explain why you think this?
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    (Original post by InvoluntarySlacker)
    We pay for something that is considerably cheaper in the long run. It's inclusive in our taxes and we benefit from it. The beauty of the NHS is that it caters for all social classes whereas in America, healthcare is limited. It's a sad state when people can not afford to pay for something that will save them because they can't pay for insurance. The only thing culturally different between America and Britain in this context, is that America has a bigger divide between the rich and poor. From what I can gather, the only people that are opposed to the health care reform are the people with considerable wealth. I may am be wrong. Hardly into foreign affairs. :iiam:
    The NHS is a double edged sword. To be open to all, regardless of social class means that they must provide the same basic treatment for everyone. That sounds all well and good, but the NHS can't afford every drug under the sun. If a patient wants to pay the extra few grand to pay for a drug not included in the NHS' remit, they can't, because that would mean the NHS favours rich people who could afford to top up their treatments with their money. So anyone with a rare disease must either suffer without the medication, or pay for ALL the treatment they've received from the NHS + the extra treatment (i.e. usually a 5 figure sum at least) since no private health company is going to take on an already diagnosed patient.

    The NHS has no grey area, and for that it suffers. It really needs a top-up option to be of true use. The American system and the NHS are two extremes, the best medical treatment would be a halfway house between the two. Having the government fund the basics through tax, and then let individual patients pay for extra treatment if they can afford to on top of that. Some would complain of injustice, but at least then people aren't taunted with some miracle treatment the NHS refuses to pay for, and it's unrealistic to expect the NHS to be able to afford drugs for every rare disease.
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    (Original post by robinson999)
    dunno why people are going over the top on this Massachusetts healthcare is already more less better then the bill will offer 2006 Massachusetts health care reform
    and pretty much covers people, so the big bad health care reform is not over yet
    :rolleyes:
    This. It's quite amusing reading the posts of people who blatantly don't have a clue. Tragic, just tragic.
 
 
 
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