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So... what exactly has Obama been doing 'wrong' or not right watch

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    I really don't see the problem. And i want specific answers to what exactly he's been doing that's so terrible and awful, i'm so sick of the automatic internet responses to anything about Obama always being negative 'obama sucks, he's messed up everything etc etc'

    I always wonder what exactly he's done to be SO dissapproved of only a full year into his presidency, he's really progressive thinking and forward thinking, pushing ideas of change, free healthcare for America.... and he's been getting turned on so much?

    so what exactly is it? all the promises he's made that he hasn't necessarily all fulfilled... the fact that he's black and some people still don't like that?

    cos Guantanamo bay isn't closed yet? well.......
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    Because the americans want the government they deserve...
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    My only problem with him is that he tries too hard to impress republicans.
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    I wish we could swap Obama for Gordon Brown.
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    (Original post by TShadow383)
    Because the americans want the government they deserve...
    They deserve whatever government they make.
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    being black
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    (Original post by Potally_Tissed)
    I wish we could swap Obama for Gordon Brown.
    Your sig is amazing! I see his bloody face all over Harrow (of all bloody places).
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    IMHO, he genuinely hasn't done much that anyone can reasonably complain about. It's mostly the ultra-vocal die-hard Republicans who are doing him in in the press, as one would expect.

    Poor guy - he doesn't deserve this kind of treatment. Kind of makes you wish that Cold War never happened - without the stagnant anti-left bias left as a legacy of McCarthy, the US might be more open to some of his reforms. Honestly - what is so wrong with his health reforms? He's not a socialist for guaranteeing health cover, for crying out loud.
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    A thread dedicated to the failings of obama ¬_¬
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    (Original post by amii_G)
    Your sig is amazing! I see his bloody face all over Harrow (of all bloody places).
    Thanks.
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    (Original post by Nashy19)
    They deserve whatever government they make.
    ^that was my point.

    There's a lot of scaremongering coming from the right over there - although at least they have parties that actually disagree on most issues.

    Personally, yes, I think we should swap gordon for obama. Someone call the white house.
    Edit: Actually I think the reason why US-UK relations have collapsed so much is that, well, you wouldn't be too keen to have meetings with gordon brown if you were obama, would you?
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    people had overly high expectations of him from day 1which only acted in setting him up for failure or at
    least in people's preception.
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    He is trying to pass an incredibly expensive health reform at a time when America is only just out of a bad recession, and the taxpayers have just paid for massive bailouts. Awful timing really, and people are right to feel that they can't afford it.

    Obama is certainly to the far-left of the democrat party, I think it's fair to say that he genuinely has socialist tendancies. He tones down his views because of the restrictions of republican senators and the constitution. I hear he has increased the US deficit by more in one year than Bush did in his entire administration. (Not convinced by that though, because Bush spent far too much as well.)

    Sending 30,000 more men to fight this war on terror, really deserving of the nobel peace prize there. :rolleyes:
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    Trolling.

    But not just on TSR...

    On the WHOLE WORLD!!! :eek4:
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    (Original post by CandyFlipper)
    Sending 30,000 more men to fight this war on terror, really deserving of the nobel peace prize there. :rolleyes:
    I never did come to understand what the problem is with sending troops to a war that's already happening with the hopes of ending it sooner...
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    (Original post by lukejoshjedi)
    I really don't see the problem. And i want specific answers to what exactly he's been doing that's so terrible and awful, i'm so sick of the automatic internet responses to anything about Obama always being negative 'obama sucks, he's messed up everything etc etc'

    I always wonder what exactly he's done to be SO dissapproved of only a full year into his presidency, he's really progressive thinking and forward thinking, pushing ideas of change, free healthcare for America.... and he's been getting turned on so much?

    so what exactly is it? all the promises he's made that he hasn't necessarily all fulfilled... the fact that he's black and some people still don't like that?

    cos Guantanamo bay isn't closed yet? well.......
    America is politically polarised. Personally a lot of people like me feel his not brought enough change. He hasn't tackled big banks who are paying huge bonuses, he hasn't taken on gay rights. I wanted more.

    Te right hate him because they have bought into him being a socialist. So his getting it from both sides. Especially with the economy. Hopefully 2010 will be much better with some kind of health reform, an improving economy, and getting things done in Afghanistan.
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    Well I don't really mind him but as a Palestinian I'm a little aggrieved that he's put progressively less and less pressure on Netunyahu regarding the West Bank settlements and East Jerusalem, to the point where he seems almost indifferent.
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    (Original post by Delta Usafa)
    I never did come to understand what the problem is with sending troops to a war that's already happening with the hopes of ending it sooner...
    This, I never understood. If someone replies could you please quote me?

    OP, I think Americans have a different mentality. They're used to it being two defined political options, Republican or Democrat, and so aren't too up for change - they don't have the spectrum available to us (although I agree the main contenders are 3 or so parties). Obama's free healthcare issue is just wrongly timed. In the short-term, it will raise taxes, and at the moment everyone's thinking in the short term and that they can't afford to have higher taxes due to the delicate economic climate, and it's true. Obama is very forward-thinking but sometimes time needs to be taken just to stablise the situation - he has to be realistic as well.

    The "he's black" argument doesn't really fly, as his popularity has decreased by about 20% since the election - i.e., with the people who actually voted for him. The racists in America still hate him just as much as ever, but that's not the important statistic, as they didn't vote for him then and so didn't contribute to his past popularity.

    I don't think it's a matter of "what's obama done wrong", it's more, "he hasn't delivered on his election promises".
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    (Original post by CandyFlipper)
    He is trying to pass an incredibly expensive health reform at a time when America is only just out of a bad recession, and the taxpayers have just paid for massive bailouts. Awful timing really, and people are right to feel that they can't afford it.
    I actually think its the only possible to time for the US to try and get that kind of reform through. Tough times concentrate people's minds on what is actually important, and are generally the only times in which politicians can achieve any sort of radical change. The most obvious example is how Labour won a landslide on a platform to create the welfare state, even though Britain had just come out of WWII with a debt of 200% of GDP. Another example would be the rise and increasingly radicalism of Thatcher made possible by the Winter of Discontent and the 70s oil price shocks.

    I see exactly what you are saying and you are right, but I think most Republicans use the cost of Obama's bill as an excuse, the actual reasons for opposition are ideological. Its a bit hypocritical for Republicans who backed completely unfunded tax-cuts landing the U.S. with an enormous debt even in a boom (the U.S. national debt as a % of GDP is far worse than our national debt for the Brown-bashers) to oppose Obama's plans on a cost basis.

    (Original post by lukejoshjedi)
    he's really progressive thinking and forward thinking, pushing ideas of change ... free healthcare for America
    That's the problem. Most Americans are totally against free healthcare. Obama is in a difficult spot because Republicans are doing their best to scupper any reforms whatsoever. Its extremely difficult for Obama to push through changes as the U.S. system is inherently Conservative - the party system in the U.S. doesn't work quite the same way as over here, getting your party to back you in the legislature is much more difficult than telling the whips to boss MPs around is in the U.K - with the result that a lot of Democrats are disappointed at the slow pace of reform.
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    (Original post by lukejoshjedi)
    .... and he's been getting turned on so much?
    Well, he is one horny president! :teehee:
 
 
 
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