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    This is disgusting. For this particular case I believe these 'children' should be sentenced to death.
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    (Original post by george54)
    LMAO! i actually watched all 3 today
    they have to be the best films of all time!! :woo:
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    (Original post by Trigger)
    Quite frankly your views on the execution of two young boys are disgusting and i hope your head falls off. Trigger.
    thank you for the neg rep!!
    now you mention it, my head is feeling a bit on the loose side..
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    "eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth" don't kill them do it back.
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    (Original post by paperclip)
    You have no understanding of basic psychology, or sociology, do you?
    Sorry If I offended but I do understand:

    Those kids exist: Waste of taxpayers money, potential danger to society, certainly have the potential to ill and torture more people. They've been messed up by their parents from a young age and imo they're unlikely to change.

    Those kids are shot: No danger to society, no waste of taxpayers money, justice for the tortured kids.

    Sometimes it's not the law that's important it's JUSTICE.
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    (Original post by Alexio)
    Did a search and nothing about this came up, so I thought I'd post it.

    http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/articles.a...ntid=151830404

    In short, two brothers, 10 and 11 years old, from a broken home where cannabis, alcohol, porn and 18-Rated DVDs were readily available, battered and nearly killed two boys of similar ages just because, according to the oldest of the attackers, 'They were bored'.
    The attack involved forcing the victims to perform sex acts on each, eat nettles, stamping on their heads, dropping bricks and sinks on their heads and telling them to kill themselves. After the 90 minute attack they simply left the scene, with both victims naked.
    The youngest victim, after pretending to be dead, went up to his older brother and asked if he was okay, to which he replied 'No. I cant see and I can't move my body. You go and I'll just die here.'

    The youngest victim managed to stagger to nearby houses and members of the public aided them.


    I'm sorry, but this story has really infuriated me. Not simply because of the brutal nature of the attack, but because I know for a fact that, despite these kids being tried in an adult court, they are already not going to be facing 'attempted murder' charges, and I know that they'll probably get 're-habilitated', let out of jail early and they and their families will be given new identities and a new chance at life, whilst the victims and their families will likely never live a normal life again.

    I've never been a fan of the death penalty, serves no use in deterrence as far as I'm concerned, but these boys are a waste of space and will likely spend the rest of their lives on the payroll of the taxpayer. I don't care anymore, get rid of them.
    Either way you look at it:

    1.Due to their lousy upbringing, they are psychologically messed up.
    Or
    2.They are just twisted young men, who enjoy torturing others.

    There would be absolutely no point in "rehabilitating" them, as they are far too dangerous to be released back into society. Or even if they have to be jailed/ confined for life, it would just be a drain on the country's resources.

    I think bringing back the death penalty is not a bad idea at all. Some palces in Asia, where you could have your hand chopped off for robbing a shop might sound horrrible and unethical to us, but idiots like this should be made an example of. Only when the law strikes down harshly on wrong-doers, will the mass abide by the law- in places where the death penalties are still in place, things are kept in order and the population conform to the laws. I ask you this, who is truly the civilised society, us or them?
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    (Original post by Inzamam99)
    Make a poll on whether to execute them or not please OP. Think about this (just a viewpoint), these kids are going to be pyschopaths when they grow up (most likely), they're probably gonna torture and maim many more people. In exceptional cases isn't the excecution of some kids better than allowing society to suffer from them in the future??
    Done.
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    (Original post by LawIsBraw)
    But don't you see!!

    Adults that commit crimes such as this, do you think they had a good upbringing? NO THEY DID NOT. So that is why we have to prevent sympathising with these two kids, because even when they are adults they will commit these sort of crimes. This is why they must be punished, and i'm talking real punishment, not the cupcakes given to them by the courts, in order to take the first step in turning around the effect of their upbringing.
    Well that's the point, they are children. Realistically they are not going to be locked up forever, they will be released, so rehabilitation is important in order for them to learn that what they have been brought as is not right or normal. It is a complex issue. Saying things like, they should rot in jail isn't getting to the root of the matter.
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    (Original post by LabyrinthWonder)
    This is disgusting. For this particular case I believe these 'children' should be sentenced to death.
    I don't think it would be quite proportionate to kill them, as they are still "children" nonetheless and they haven't actually murdered anyone. This is one of those borderline cases. No loss if they die, they are vermin. I reckon they should be locked up and there should be no attempts to intervene against suicide attempts. Killing minors would be a step too far.
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    (Original post by QuestionForMod)
    So what the innocent go blind and the guilty retain their sight? That seems just and fair.
    Since when was the world fair?
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    To those arguing that they didn't know any better because of how they were treated at home - do you really believe that? Do you really believe that kids of that age - just below being teenagers don't know that violence like that towards other people is wrong?

    Even though they've had a horrible life at home they know other people. Surely they've actually seen the world outside their horribly messed up lives and know that normal people don't really do that sort of thing.

    Kids are abused at home every day. They don't all go around torturing others, most of them know what is right and wrong. That's left for a special kind of crazy. Its something that is inside some people, and not inside others. It isn't their fault that they're unfortunate to have that switch in their brain but there are other children who would have come out of that life they've had at home and have not run around torturing people. They wont ever be able to turn that switch off. Its sad and I pity them but there isn't anything that can be done.

    You can come out of a life of drugs, robbery, being in a gang, beating people up out of anger. You don't 'grow out' of torturing people for fun. They are still showing no remorse for it. It will always be in them.

    Their 'parents' need to be dealt with too.
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    (Original post by Trigger)
    Since when was the world fair?
    So you are endorsing unfair treatment?
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    Parents should be publically killed. Kids should be given a death sentence. If bad parents see someone dying for their poor parenting it might make them shape up and stop pumping filth into the world.
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    (Original post by QuestionForMod)
    So you are endorsing unfair treatment?
    Not at all but if you want to look at "fair" is it fair the kids who did this were born to parents who didn't want them? Or fostered by people who couldn't look after them? Or then re-fostered to another couple who couldn't control them? I am not saying that what these kids did was good or ok or even normal but i am getting a little sick of people seeing this as some sort of black and white, open and shut case. There are hundreds of reasons that this terrible thing happened yet all some people care about is getting their pound of flesh.
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    A lot of you clearly don't see the hypocrisy of wanting to avenge for two brutally attacked young boys by brutally attacking another two young boys. That's the kind of mentality that stops real rehabilitation from happening. Sure, what those two boys did was horricly evil and wrong and sure you might think they deserve such treatment. But essentially, you suggesting that two boys should be brutally attacked is wrong too.

    As to the point about adult murderers also having rubbish upbringings- wouldn't you like to try and help these boys now so that in the future they are NOT adult murderers?
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    (Original post by Trigger)
    Not at all but if you want to look at "fair" is it fair the kids who did this were born to parents who didn't want them? Or fostered by people who couldn't look after them? Or then re-fostered to another couple who couldn't control them? I am not saying that what these kids did was good or ok or even normal but i am getting a little sick of people seeing this as some sort of black and white, open and shut case. There are hundreds of reasons that this terrible thing happened yet all some people care about is getting their pound of flesh.
    Meanwhile, these attackers go exactly the same way as the Bulger killers did:
    They get opportunities their contemporaries could only dream of.
    They are given the best one-to-one education in the country.
    They pass GCSEs and A-Levels.
    They are trained in a profession.
    All at the taxpayers expense.
    Where is the justice though?
    Maybe everyone from a ****** up background should resort to GBH, that way, they get free education and a free life.

    Perfect society, right?
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    (Original post by Alexio)
    Meanwhile, these attackers go exactly the same way as the Bulger killers did:
    They get opportunities their contemporaries could only dream of.
    They are given the best one-to-one education in the country.
    They pass GCSEs and A-Levels.
    They are trained in a profession.
    All at the taxpayers expense.
    Where is the justice though?
    Maybe everyone from a ****** up background should resort to GBH, that way, they get free education and a free life.

    Perfect society, right?
    Oh for goodness sake shut your trap for a second and read what i am saying. Or better yet put your copy of The Sun or The Mail down and stop being so damn reactionary and sensationalist.
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    (Original post by Mr Sparkles)
    Right. And please could you explain to me where the potential for 'miscarriages for justice' lie in this case. Considering that the children have admitted doing it, have been identified as doing it, and even have a film of them doing it?

    When did I say it should be done in all cases? Only in cases where it is certain that they did it. In this case it is 100% certain that they committed the crime. There is not one shadow of a doubt that they did it.
    Fair enough. In this case, it's pretty clear cut, but there'll be plenty of occassions where a "sure thing" turns out be anything but. Just because someone admits to something doesn't always mean they've done it, nor is DNA evidence 100% trustable. There's always like a 0.01% chance of error or something, and I'd hate to murder anyone,("justly" or otherwise) it serves only to encourage revenge and debases us as humans.
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    Its disgusting, but its hardly their fault. Who grows up in a home like theirs and comes out normal?

    Now im not saying that this absolves them and that we should spend thousands of pounds trying to rehabilitate these kids and others like them, but i am saying that throwing around hefty punishments like the death penalty will not solve any problems. With or without the death penalty, kids who are screwed up enough to force two brothers to have sex with each other while torturing them in such a brutal manner would have done so with our without the death penalty. Do you think that such punishments would stop this kind of crime? it would stop rational people, but these people, and the ones that commit the most heinous of crimes are hardly rational.

    We need to focus on the root of the problem. This stuff starts in the home. if we want to level our action, be it offering support or levying punishment, anywhere, it should be here.
 
 
 
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