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    (Original post by inspired14)
    We are agreeing on the same things here. That these children gave away their human rights when they knowingly carried out this terrible crime. Indeed, I totally agree that our prisons are often too lenient or 'easy-going' for criminals like these and maybe our prisons should start following in the footsteps like those of America. But what I am trying to say is you can not teach killing is wrong by killing! The day the government allows the death penalty is the day it teaches our world it is ok to kill.
    So should taxpayers keep on paying for them, hardly justice?
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    Those two young boys who were almost killed have had their lives destroyed. It is likely that they will never 100% recover. Why should their attackers be given a second chance at life?
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    i cant get over the fact that they carried out such a sickening attack..
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    Are the parents not being tried?
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    ******* demented children, i hope they die in jail.

    They knew what they were doing seeing how they led the kids to an isolate woodland area to smash the **** out of them. And when they were asked about it they pretended not to know anything about it.

    Is the older brother of the 2 victims dead? or is he really disabled now?
    Also, why didn't child security people look out for the 2 crazy kids if their household was that bad : /
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    If I had a kid and this happened to them I think vigilante justice may ensue as the punishments handed out by the courts are always well below what should be handed out. Its funny that we seem to live in a society where financial crimes against the rich are punished more harsly than physical abuse. These little ***** dont deserve to live, and they deserve to suffer a painful death.
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    It obvious that the parents of the boys failed badly in looking after them and bringing them up. I"m not one to say this normally, but in this case , its the parents fault that their kids ended up like this!.For cying out loud what where they thinking?.Apparently , according to Sky news, both of the boys had previous for violence and other offences!. I cannot believe that social services didnt intervene earlier to remove these kids from such a terrible environment.

    I feel for the victims of the horrific attack, they will be the ones that end up with the life sentence sadly.I hope with time, and counselling, they will be able to move on and have a happy life.
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    they had horrendous lives
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    The bbc website shows that the verdict was they they're to be detained indefinitely, for at least 5 years. I hope it's longer than 5 years because at 16/17 I think that they are likely to still be too young to cope with their situation. Plus, if their life outside has been that difficult then they could end up reoffending because they feel they're better off being in jail.

    What upsets me is that the judge mentioned that the relationship of the two victims has been destroyed, which isn't surprising in the circumstances, but those two boys are the only people that will truly understand what they have been through and they can't face each other after having to perform sexual activities and the like on each other.
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    Vile. The only victims here are the kids who got attacked.
    To me, the offence is unforgivable.
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    (Original post by Alexio)

    I'm sorry, but this story has really infuriated me. Not simply because of the brutal nature of the attack, but because I know for a fact that, despite these kids being tried in an adult court, they are already not going to be facing 'attempted murder' charges, and I know that they'll probably get 're-habilitated', let out of jail early and they and their families will be given new identities and a new chance at life, whilst the victims and their families will likely never live a normal life again.
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    Because their lives were clearly normal up until this point...

    I'm not saying in any way that they shouldn't be punished for what happened, but I think it is right that they are given psychiatric assessments and put into secure care because they are 10 and 11. People aren't born that way, it just absolutely horrifies me how they must have been brought up to even think of these things to do to someone, let alone actually do it all.
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    I am against capital punishment but if it were legal would it even be applicable here?

    As awful as the case is, it wouldn't be an eye for an eye. The lads didn't actually kill the other lads (despite their intentions). "Thoughts are no subjects; Intents but merely thoughts." (Shakespeare)

    I am not advocating we commit the same crimes against the lads as they did against their victims. What would that show? And who would actually do the torturing?

    The lads are extremely young and have had a terrible upbringing. While this can't excuse them, it has to be taken into account. What kind of a 10 year old could even think of doing something like this?

    They need serious help and of course it should be agreed that they can never be allowed back into society until they are 100% well (if this ever is to happen).
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    (Original post by Glasshouse_Life)
    I am against capital punishment but if it were legal would it even be applicable here?

    As awful as the case is, it wouldn't be an eye for an eye. The lads didn't actually kill the other lads (despite their intentions). "Thoughts are no subjects; Intents but merely thoughts." (Shakespeare)

    I am not advocating we commit the same crimes against the lads as they did against their victims. What would that show? And who would actually do the torturing?

    The lads are extremely young and have had a terrible upbringing. While this can't excuse them, it has to be taken into account. What kind of a 10 year old could even think of doing something like this?

    They need serious help and of course it should be agreed that they can never be allowed back into society until they are 100% well (if this ever is to happen).
    They dont need help they need punishment and perminat removal from society (whether that be by life sentance or death sentance, preferably the later as its less expensive for the tax payer) to protect the majority of people who dont attack other people because they are bored.

    What they did was basically evil and completley unjustified. They are never going to be contirbuitng to society. I bet when they are older they will be on the dole mooching off of the people who contribute to society while they produce scally offspring who will continue to mooch off of society.

    We all know the law is going to be way to easy on them.
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    (Original post by rudeandidleboy)
    They dont need help they need punishment and perminat removal from society (whether that be by life sentance or death sentance, preferably the later as its less expensive for the tax payer) to protect the majority of people who dont attack other people because they are bored.

    What they did was basically evil and completley unjustified. They are never going to be contirbuitng to society. I bet when they are older they will be on the dole mooching off of the people who contribute to society while they produce scally offspring who will continue to mooch off of society.

    We all know the law is going to be way to easy on them.


    Woooaaah. You want to kill children because is less expensive?
    1) I'm reasonably sure (although have no source atm) that in the US executions cost the same/more than life sentences.

    2) How can you consider that a morally justified thing to do? It's such a ridiculous idea: "These children have hurt other children, that's wrong!" "What should we do?" "Kill them!"

    Execution would solve nothing, it would just more tragedy in this story. I know you'll probably respond with "How could you consider these monster's death a tragedy etc etc", but it would. They've already grown up in an enviroment which stimulates the kind of behaviour they displayed, and that's tragic too.
    Four children have had their lives ruined, we should be trying to make it better not worse.


    Also: Scally is not a derogatory term damn it.:mad: :p:
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    (Original post by BillV3)
    So what you're suggesting is:

    It's not the first ever case of something like this happening nor likely the last but this time we'll make an exception to the law.

    Violence is bad, and to teach them and show the public that violence is bad we'll murder two prepubescent children.Clever.
    What exception to the law?
    If I had my way everyone who did something like this, ie, tortured a fellow human being, wold be given life in jail.
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    1) Who said executions would have to be done US style. I bullet to back of the head would do
    2) They have showed they are not worthy of living. Its these sorts of kids that grow up and then do their upmost to ruin othe peoples lives. If they are willing to do this sort of thing then they should be willing to forfit their human rights.

    I dont care about their upbringing that may have contributed to their personalites but that doesnt matter they are still evil little ***** who dont deserve to live, they have to be acoountable for their actions.
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    They can't use their background as an excuse, loads of people are from bad background but they don't go around torturing people. They should go to prison for life and get help or whatever but not be let out of prison. If they do things like this as kids then what will they be like as adults? If they are that vile then no amount of therapy will change them, if they get let free they will probably just end us violent drunks or druggies.
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    (Original post by Sith5580)
    Thats funny, you've obviously been in a prison, since you know so well about what goes on inside. Prison isn't like the media protray it. Around £2.50 is spent on their food per day, they get one shower every 4 days, and if they want soap, they have to buy it using money earnt fromn chores etc. You truly are an idiot, if you believe everything you hear in the Sun about what prison is like. Its not nice, its not fun, and years in a place like that are soul crushing. Unbleiveable that you would post such a load of **** on somewhere like this.
    £2.50 a day?
    I'm in University accomodation, paying £3,500 a year for the privilege and only get £3.00 a day on food, so they're not that worse off than me.
    Part of their rehab involved 'good behavior', good behaviour gets you TVs and other stuff, that's fact.
    The 'shower every four days' is bull, I bet with good behavious you get as many showers as you like.
    Chores? What chores?

    For the last time I have never read the scum, but well played, jail SHOULD be soul crushing.
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    (Original post by cowsforsale)
    ******* demented children, i hope they die in jail.

    They knew what they were doing seeing how they led the kids to an isolate woodland area to smash the **** out of them. And when they were asked about it they pretended not to know anything about it.

    Is the older brother of the 2 victims dead? or is he really disabled now?
    Also, why didn't child security people look out for the 2 crazy kids if their household was that bad : /
    He's not dead and I don't think he's disabled.
    He'll recover, at least physically.
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    Five year minimum sentences.
    Nice, so they could be roaming our streets when they're 16 and 17.
    Nice thought right?
    At least these two wonderful, amazing children will get a lovely second chance at life/to offend, whilst two others will live a troubled life and likely never get over what happened.
 
 
 
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