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    I just watched about this on BBC news, it's horrendous. Apparently the boys said that the only reason they stopped is because their arms were aching, otherwise they would have continued and they did it because they were bored. When asked how close to death they thought their victims were on a scale of 1-10 (10 being dead) they said 8 or 9. They fully knew what they were doing and have shown no remorse. Yes they have had a bad upbringing, but the report says that the younger boy was 'visibly distressed' when the psychiatrist described their home life, which suggests that he knew the way they were treated at home was wrong and would know not to inflict that on someone else, but I suppose if your coping mechanism is taking your anger out on someone else then that's the way it is.
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    I'm just as disgusted at the responses on this thread. Whatever they did, they're still children, and the product of their environment. What chance did they ever have? It isn't right that they should suffer for the rest of their lives for what they did at the age of ten and eleven. There's no point in ruining more lives.
    id like you to argue this point to the parents and family of the two boys that were nearly killed. im fairly sure if this happened to your family, friends or even you, you would not have that attitude.
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    It certainly puts into perspective of when a child can be held accountable for their own actions.
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    (Original post by Funkymonkey21)
    i always think that sick people that do things like that to others obviously think its ok. so they should be put through the EXACT things that they made others go through.

    id be quite happy to be the person to do it to them :yes:
    You would happily torture children and you're trying to take the moral high ground?
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    (Original post by L i b)
    Violence is bad... let's murder two children to sort it out. Clever.
    This.

    No, I don't agree that we should kill two children who have the rest of their lives to change. Read back on what you said was readily available in their home and decide if the way they've turned out so far is their fault.
    And trust me, I too am sickened and saddened by what they did to those two boys, but that doesn't mean I'll allow rash emotions to take over my common sense.
    Christ!
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    I'm just as disgusted at the responses on this thread. Whatever they did, they're still children, and the product of their environment. What chance did they ever have? It isn't right that they should suffer for the rest of their lives for what they did at the age of ten and eleven. There's no point in ruining more lives.
    I think much of the responses are fuelled by emotion. As I said, I've never been a fan of the death penalty, but seriously dont think I could ever justify to myself these two monsters living alongside me, however, I cannot justify the killing of two people, which, I know, goes against that I said at the beginning of the thread when it was largely written because of my emotion at the time. The only middle ground would be to remove them from society, which isn't going to happen.

    To put it in perspective to please you, would you be happy to discover that the future children of these two 'people' were in the same school class as your children?
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    It seems not to be what they were exposed to in the media but the abuse their dad gave them.
    It seems likely that they then projected this onto what they watched as a coping mechanism.
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    You would happily torture children and you're trying to take the moral high ground?
    lol! that bit was actually a joke.. but i do believe that if they think that its right to do it to others, then they should be happy for other people to do it back to them. it makes sense?
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    The lack of compassion for a pair of boys who have clearly been failed by our system of government is astounding. They are 10 and 11. They were in care at the time. Seems funny how much governmental care has failed in the last few years, Baby P, this. The list is a disgrace. The other fact is that the 11 year old has been diagnosed as having severe mental issues (the pyschologist went so far as to suggest he would become a pyschopath). He needs help as much as punishment for what he did. A human being is a human being.
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    (Original post by Funkymonkey21)
    id like you to argue this point to the parents and family of the two boys that were nearly killed. im fairly sure if this happened to your family, friends or even you, you would not have that attitude.
    Of course I wouldn't. But that's why they don't let family members decide the punishment of the attackers. It's not possible to make a rational judgment when you're so emotionally involved.
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    (Original post by southeastnigga)
    ****** *****, they deserve to be tortured for hours, before being put to a slow death.
    They deserve it, yes. But they shouldn't get that treatment.
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    Psychos, keep them away from society.... and their parents as well.
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    They've been on the news a lot this week. I think the most disgusting thing is that these boys, however hard their lives have been, have been attacking people before. Yet they were allowed to continue.
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    i cant see how anyone can say that they should just be let off because their human beings. yes they are. they also obviously have severe mental problems and shouldnt be out in society.
    a killer is a killer, no matter if their 11 or 80. people like that dont change. if someone has killed someone, they obviously think thats its ok and its the right thing to do.
    human being or not, this is NOT normal!
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    They aren't going to be the same people as adults as they are now. They should get a second chance at life when they are older.
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    I'm just as disgusted at the responses on this thread. Whatever they did, they're still children, and the product of their environment. What chance did they ever have? It isn't right that they should suffer for the rest of their lives for what they did at the age of ten and eleven. There's no point in ruining more lives.
    to some degree i agree however, there are children brought up like that every day, there childhood unfortunately isnt a rare case. However, these children do not turn out like raging psychopaths doing something so clearly wrong and disgusting. they are clearly messed up in the head and are mentally ill. It is hardly something they are going to "grow out of". To do something like that something has to be wrong with them and extremely unlikely to ever correct itself. I think the outrage on this thread i think is in proportion considering what the boys have done. It is the fact the boys show no remorse to what i find most disgusting. After doing what they have done and not have a conscience. What they have done to those boys hasnt just messed the victims up, but loads of others aswell.
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    (Original post by Alexio)
    Did a search and nothing about this came up, so I thought I'd post it.

    http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/articles.a...ntid=151830404

    In short, two brothers, 10 and 11 years old, from a broken home where cannabis, alcohol, porn and 18-Rated DVDs were readily available, battered and nearly killed two boys of similar ages just because, according to the oldest of the attackers, 'They were bored'.
    The attack involved forcing the victims to perform sex acts on each, eat nettles, stamping on their heads, dropping bricks and sinks on their heads and telling them to kill themselves. After the 90 minute attack they simply left the scene, with both victims naked.
    The youngest victim, after pretending to be dead, went up to his older brother and asked if he was okay, to which he replied 'No. I cant see and I can't move my body. You go and I'll just die here.'

    The youngest victim managed to stagger to nearby houses and members of the public aided them.


    I'm sorry, but this story has really infuriated me. Not simply because of the brutal nature of the attack, but because I know for a fact that, despite these kids being tried in an adult court, they are already not going to be facing 'attempted murder' charges, and I know that they'll probably get 're-habilitated', let out of jail early and they and their families will be given new identities and a new chance at life, whilst the victims and their families will likely never live a normal life again.

    I've never been a fan of the death penalty, serves no use in deterrence as far as I'm concerned, but these boys are a waste of space and will likely spend the rest of their lives on the payroll of the taxpayer. I don't care anymore, get rid of them.
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    (Original post by nolongerhearthemusic)
    They aren't going to be the same people as adults as they are now. They should get a second chance at life when they are older.
    how does that work? how do you chose the time at which a person should change?
    if a person kills when they are 6, should you give them till they're 20? or 25? how long is long enough to become 'normal'?
    by this logic, if someone commits a murder when they are 30, by the time they are 40 they mightve changed?
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    (Original post by Sith5580)
    The lack of compassion for a pair of boys who have clearly been failed by our system of government is astounding. They are 10 and 11. They were in care at the time. Seems funny how much governmental care has failed in the last few years, Baby P, this. The list is a disgrace. The other fact is that the 11 year old has been diagnosed as having severe mental issues (the pyschologist went so far as to suggest he would become a pyschopath). He needs help as much as punishment for what he did. A human being is a human being.

    You're an idiot.
    Absolute disgrace.
    Yet another 'Liberal' making excuses for criminals.
    If the system was as bad as you're making out wed have one of these every week, we don't, so it means that these 'children' are largely responsible for their own actions, and the 'parents' played their part as well and should serve a jail sentence.

    Why does he need help, because the same Liberals that want to give him a cushy sentence want him to be released back into society?

    That's an absolute disgrace. I would not accept him ever working with me in the future, nor would I want him in the same room as me.
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    Capital Punishment please. or put them into psychiatric unit and NEVER ever risk our lovely citizens lives by letting them out. Keep them locked up somewhere forever.
 
 
 
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