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    (Original post by Mr Sparkles)
    In what way? Because they passed GCSEs? As I said, intelligence has nothing to do with whether you are a psychopath or not. And they are, not doubt about it, psychopathic. It's whether you believe they can be cured from that or not. I don't think they can, and I am certain that the children involved in the Bulger case will kill again.
    Read this article which indicates that both children managed to pass a parole panel. It discusses that they will both go on to lead normal lives.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/ju...ger.paulharris
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    (Original post by aeonflux)
    I lol when people try and use the excuse of it being too expensive to keep people in jail as justification for the death penalty. In the US states with the death penalty criminals typically spend years on death row, and executing a prisoner is typically more expensive than life imprisonment.
    I lol when people like you go "You know it costs more to kill them than to keep them in prison." Yes, in America. How about China? Or Saudi Arabia? America isn't the only country in the world with the death penalty you know :rolleyes:. It seems pretty to cheap to go "Jury, what is your verdict? Guilty. *Boom headshot*" None of this mincing about on death row for years, if you're convicted, you die. End of.
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    (Original post by Annie72)
    What about the parents, arent they at fault for giving them such a bad upbringing?.
    Yes, they should probably be given their children's sentence x2, I think.
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    If these 2 have the minds of killers and torturers at the age of just 9, how bad are they going to be when they are older? Execute or psychiartic ward for ever.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    Violence is bad... let's murder two children to sort it out. Clever.
    I'm sarcastic. I helped.
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    (Original post by Mr Sparkles)
    I lol when people like you go "You know it costs more to kill them than to keep them in prison." Yes, in America. How about China? Or Saudi Arabia? America isn't the only country in the world with the death penalty you know :rolleyes:. It seems pretty to cheap to go "Jury, what is your verdict? Guilty. *Boom headshot*" None of this mincing about on death row for years, if you're convicted, you die. End of.
    You're a moron. I think most people would agree that countries with human rights records like those of China and Saudi Arabia aren't places we should aspire to emulate here. Part of the reason why the process of execution takes so long in (relatively) civilised places is because there is always the potential for miscarriages of justice. What if you execute someone and than new evidence emerges proving them innocent?
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    (Original post by Kreuzuerk)
    The murders in the Bulger case both passed their GCSEs and A-Levels, and one of them wanted to go to university.
    Ooh, and I thought they were given new identities (hence it is not actually known what happened to them or what grades they got). They could have got EEE (or whatever grades you people use), for all we know.
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    (Original post by Funkymonkey21)
    that is true, and the parents that have kids like that should also be seen to see if they themselves are mentally ill. but not all murders have a hard upbringing. so what excuse can you come up with for them?

    yes, in this case, the parents may have made them worse. but just giving them a slap on the wrist and telling them never to do it again is a waste of time. they need to be put into a hospital and be treated for whatever mental condition they have. but i think that once a killer always a killer. i cannot see how anyone can go from a murderer to 'normal'. it just doesnt happen. like someone said before, serial killers start off with weird thoughts/habits. then they have to carry them out (like these two boys). then after that they just get worse. leave them in society and next time they will kill.
    Well then you are in defiance of sociology, modern medicine and psychology. I did not say that all murders have had a poor upbringing, only that these most certainly have. It is certainly not clear that either child may have a mental condition, more likely is the fact that they have never be shown what is right and what is wrong. Moreover, there is a well documented history of murders undergoing rehabilitation successfully.
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    (Original post by Alexio)
    Violence is bad... let's let some lads batter the **** out of two others, then give them a short sentence and help them through the rest of their wasted lives in any way we can. Clever.
    Sorry, I wasn't aware the authorities sanctioned it beforehand. Nor that the trial had taken place and short sentences given out. Clever.

    Wait and see what happens. When children do something like this, it's pretty obvious they've had a ****** up life, may as well help them to deal with their problems rather than discarding them. Before you say something like "What they did was wrong." Obviously it was. Thats not the argument here.
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    Do you think the only people who deserve to live are those who are top achievers according to society's values? Stupidest reason for wanting harsher punishments ever.
    Wow. I c vat u did dar. Nice strawman. I'm not even gonna dignify that with an actual response.
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    (Original post by Mr Sparkles)
    I lol when people like you go "You know it costs more to kill them than to keep them in prison." Yes, in America. How about China? Or Saudi Arabia? America isn't the only country in the world with the death penalty you know :rolleyes:. It seems pretty to cheap to go "Jury, what is your verdict? Guilty. *Boom headshot*" None of this mincing about on death row for years, if you're convicted, you die. End of.
    Glad you have so much faith in a fallible system.
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    (Original post by Paxdax)
    Ooh, and I thought they were given new identities (hence it is not actually known what happened to them or what grades they got). They could have got EEE (or whatever grades you people use), for all we know.
    My point is, the fact that they have passed a rigorous parole panel is indicative of the fact that they will go on to lead normal lives. And incidentally, I'm sure that most people who get EEE go on to become contributing members of society.
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    (Original post by Kreuzuerk)
    Read this article which indicates that both children managed to pass a parole panel. It discusses that they will both go on to lead normal lives.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/ju...ger.paulharris
    The parole panel are probably randomly picked from a tombola. They seem to be about as useful as if they had been. As someone posted an article in another thread here, there was a guy, Mark Shirley - who stalked an elderly woman for weeks, then raped and totured her, before killing her. He served 16 years before 'managing to pass a parole panel', because he was deemed to no longer be a threat to society. What did he do next? He stalked a woman, raped and tortured her and was prevented from killing her only because her son came home before he got the chance.

    Parole panels aren't infallible or psychic - just because they let people out doesn't mean they won't kill again. As has been proved, time and time and time again.
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    Make a poll on whether to execute them or not please OP. Think about this (just a viewpoint), these kids are going to be pyschopaths when they grow up (most likely), they're probably gonna torture and maim many more people. In exceptional cases isn't the excecution of some kids better than allowing society to suffer from them in the future??
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    (Original post by inspired14)
    Yes, they are children. Children who destroyed the lives of not only two other children, but their families aswell.
    You ask what chance did they ever have? Sadly, many children suffer from abuse and bad home circumstances, yet very few turn to these actions. Children know the difference between right and wrong, in particular these two criminals who show NO remorse for what they have done.
    So to answer your question, Yes I do believe it is right for these boys to suffer, because nothing can be worse than what those poor victims' parents are feeling right now.
    I don't know how the suffering of the two boys is going to make them feel better. They will still suffer regardless, so it seems pointless to take their feelings into account. The main focus should be on how can we reduce future suffering, and the only way that can happen is if the two children are rehabilitated.

    I don't know how you can blame the children for showing no remorse. If they've never been taught what's right and wrong, how are they suppose to know? It isn't instinctive as different societies have different values, therefore they must be socialised adequately for them to understand. There were obviously other factors involved but I think people are responding far too harshly to their crime when you take into account their background.
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    (Original post by Kreuzuerk)
    My point is, the fact that they have passed a rigorous parole panel is indicative of the fact that they will go on to lead normal lives. And incidentally, I'm sure that most people who get EEE go on to become contributing members of society.
    Look above at Mr Sparkles post.
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    That is actually horrifying. How a person can do that to another is just beyond me. They obviously left human nature out of them when those little buggers were created. Sorry, but if they attack those two poor boys within an inch of their life, i don't think they themselves deserve to live. Disgusting.
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    What are you talking about, irresponsible parenting has nothing to do with this!
    Kill the children!!!!





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    (Original post by Mr Sparkles)
    The parole panel are probably randomly picked from a tombola. They seem to be about as useful as if they had been. As someone posted an article in another thread here, there was a guy, Mark Shirley - who stalked an elderly woman for weeks, then raped and totured her, before killing her. He served 16 years before 'managing to pass a parole panel', because he was deemed to no longer be a threat to society. What did he do next? He stalked a woman, raped and tortured her and was prevented from killing her only because her son came home before he got the chance.

    Parole panels aren't infallible or psychic - just because they let people out doesn't mean they won't kill again. As has been proved, time and time and time again.
    If you had actually read the article, you would know that it is a judge, a psychiatrist and a lay person. Parole panels are not infallible - I am not claiming that, but instead saying that in the vast majority of cases, they do make the correct decision.
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    (Original post by aeonflux)
    You're a moron. I think most people would agree that countries with human rights records like those of China and Saudi Arabia aren't places we should aspire to emulate here. Part of the reason why the process of execution takes so long in (relatively) civilised places is because there is always the potential for miscarriages of justice. What if you execute someone and than new evidence emerges proving them innocent?
    (Original post by Mann18)
    Glad you have so much faith in a fallible system.
    Right. And please could you explain to me where the potential for 'miscarriages for justice' lie in this case. Considering that the children have admitted doing it, have been identified as doing it, and even have a film of them doing it?

    When did I say it should be done in all cases? Only in cases where it is certain that they did it. In this case it is 100% certain that they committed the crime. There is not one shadow of a doubt that they did it.
 
 
 
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