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    (Original post by *Darcie*)
    Absolutely this.

    Obviously the majority of public sympathy should be directed towards the young victims and their family. However, I for one would say that the assailants are also victims of the sh*tty environment that enabled them to develop such warped tendencies in order carry out such unimaginable acts.

    But don't you see!!

    Adults that commit crimes such as this, do you think they had a good upbringing? NO THEY DID NOT. So that is why we have to prevent sympathising with these two kids, because even when they are adults they will commit these sort of crimes. This is why they must be punished, and i'm talking real punishment, not the cupcakes given to them by the courts, in order to take the first step in turning around the effect of their upbringing.
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    (Original post by Ayostunner)
    OK ...since you think you know what's best
    how should we as a society harm the boys??
    i didnt say we should actually harm them. im just saying we shouldnt act like they're the ones that have been harmed. everyones acting like the two lads that abused others are the poor innocent victims.
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    Personally, i think they should get a slap on the wrist.

    Followed by a dunk into a pool with sharks with fricking lazer beams attatched to their heads!
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    (Original post by Inzamam99)
    Make a poll on whether to execute them or not please OP. Think about this (just a viewpoint), these kids are going to be pyschopaths when they grow up (most likely), they're probably gonna torture and maim many more people. In exceptional cases isn't the excecution of some kids better than allowing society to suffer from them in the future??
    You have no understanding of basic psychology, or sociology, do you?
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    (Original post by OhYumMilk)
    If you think of the boy who murdered the toddler after torturing him... they most likely won't get a long sentence term

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger
    I'd never heard of this case before, so I read the whole story. I wish I hadn't. It's truly awful I can't even begin to imagine the pain that his parents, and the parents of the 2 boys in the OP's post, have had to endure and are still enduring. How atrocious humanity can be.
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    (Original post by george54)
    Personally, i think they should get a slap on the wrist.

    Followed by a dunk into a pool with sharks with fricking lazer beams attatched to their heads!
    or ill-tempered sea bass?
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    (Original post by Funkymonkey21)
    i didnt say we should actually harm them. im just saying we shouldnt act like they're the ones that have been harmed. everyones acting like the two lads that abused others are the poor innocent victims.

    Ok
    I dont think anyone is acting like they are the poor innocent
    yea but they've been harmed too ...
    personally i think their dad should get a sentence too
    and the boys shouldnt be getting out of prison until they are well into their 30s





    (Original post by LawIsBraw)
    By gathering a bunch of peadophiles and letting them rape those two kids until they bleed from their anus.
    you would make a great judge :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by LawIsBraw)
    But don't you see!!

    Adults that commit crimes such as this, do you think they had a good upbringing? NO THEY DID NOT. So that is why we have to prevent sympathising with these two kids, because even when they are adults they will commit these sort of crimes. This is why they must be punished, and i'm talking real punishment, not the cupcakes given to them by the courts, in order to take the first step in turning around the effect of their upbringing.
    Indeed, they have developed into monsters and even though psychopathy and sadism often has roots earlier in childhood, we have to think about what they are now, monsters. They have shown their true colours in the way they have responded to childhood trauma. Better people would have not have become monsters anyway.

    I don't think they can be rehabilitated, but I suppose we have to try as they are still children.
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    (Original post by ArtGoblin)
    I notice you're trying to dehumanise these two children. They are still people who deserve a chance to move on, particularly as they're children who must have gone through a lot of suffering already. I find it interesting that people react to children who commit horrific crimes much worse than when adults do the same - I believe that children of that age aren't capable of making a fully rational decision, especially when raised in the conditions they were. Surely they also have a greater chance of reforming than adults as people change so much at that age in normal conditions. They will never have a normal life - isn't that enough?

    It wouldn't bother me if they were in the same class as my children as long as they were fully reformed. People shouldn't be judged by what they were or what they have done.
    Rational decision?
    You think they didn't know that feeding a fellow child nettles, dropping a sink on a fellow childs head or making them do sexual deeds to eachother was wrong?

    By your own reckoning you would fully absolve Hitler of his sins if her were somehow alive today, on your own grounds of 'People shouldn't be judged by what they were or what they have done.'
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    (Original post by Antonia87)
    Well they're gonna have even less of a chance now, arent they . There are millions across the world who have no "chance". Coming from a bad environment does not give one an excuse to torture, or murder. And not many children who do come from those environments would have it in them to go to such extremes. "Bad environment" should not equate "bad person".
    Whats frightening about these two is that they dont even appear to care.
    Why would they care if they've never been taught that that was wrong? We learnt that from primary socialisation, so it seems unfair to blame them for that. I know that not all people who had a bad upbringing will commit crimes like this, but it does drastically decrease their life chances.
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    (Original post by LawIsBraw)
    Or how about South Korea, did they stop testing missiles when America told them not to?
    I'm probably not old enough to remember - but when exactly were the US and South Korea arguing about missile testing?
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    (Original post by Ayostunner)



    you would make a great judge :rolleyes:

    Haha, why thank you, I know you were being sarcastic but thanks anyway
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    What they did was inexcusable but they clearly have serious mental problems. It may never be safe to release them but I don't think they should be killed. I strongly oppose the death penalty as it is, but children? Do you honestly think a government that kills children, regardless of their crime is humane? Not sure if it's worth asking that question tbh. :rolleyes:
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    I think these kids are beyond help.

    They will never show remorse.
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    (Original post by HJV)
    I'm probably not old enough to remember - but when exactly were the US and South Korea arguing about missile testing?
    I have just noticed, I meant North Korea, lol.
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    (Original post by Trigger)
    I was going to say that but thought i would check to see if anyone else had got there first. What the hell is this new fad with bringing back the death penalty? "An eye for an eye and we shall all be blind".
    So what the innocent go blind and the guilty retain their sight? That seems just and fair.
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    (Original post by Sith5580)
    Another Moron posts his opinion. I'm sorry, I can tell you don't want to do a job when your older which has any compassion for people. And if they served their sentence, why would you not be happy to work with him. When a debt to society has been paid they are equal to you, albeit with a record. I have never said I am not disgusted by their actions, but the fact you would happily deny the right to life to two boys, and may I emphasise BOYS!!!!! They aren't men, they are children, with mental issues. You wouldn't have sent the hacker with Aspergers Syndrome to the US to face execution for hacking into the pentagon would you. Or wait, you would because everyone is equal in your eyes!!!! I'm not makng excuses, I'm stating facts. You have all the intellectual power of hillbilly so high on hooch he can't tell the difference between a tree and his wife. :mad:
    I think I'm well within my right to post my opinion on a public messageboard, just like you are doing.
    The job I have in mind certainly does involve compassion for people, sometimes it will be extremely trying circumstances as well.
    Debt to society paid? Pah, these boys will get a few years in jvenile detention, treated to widescreen TVs etc and then be out and about, on the dole, doing nothing for the society that treats them oh so brilliantly.

    I have already said that whilst I cannot jusify keeping these two monsters alive, I also cannot justify state-sanctioned killing, as I am generally against the death penalty. I wrote 'get rid of them' ina subjective way. The best thing would be to lock them up for life, no tv, no fun. But thats not the way lovely liberals do it, is it?
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    (Original post by Funkymonkey21)
    or ill-tempered sea bass?
    LMAO! i actually watched all 3 today
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    execute the *******s.
    What I find shocking is that an eleven year old and a ten year old does not know that killing or torturing is wrong...
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    What's worse is that they recorded it on their mobile phone.
    It's pretty grim when children are capable of such atrocities.
 
 
 
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