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    debate with local MP for Hendon Andrew Dismore. Any questions?
    Brrrrr.
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    This is a genuine question (as it will probably be a reality) I'm not having a party dig which is often the case on this forum...

    But how does a Parliamentary Candidate prepare for what they do in the case of both possible outcomes.

    (ie what if they don't get elected/reelected)
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    Ask why he voted in favour of the Iraq war, against an investigation into the Iraq war, and against having a transparent parliament.

    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/andrew_dismore/hendon
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    Does he think that helping himself to three or four times the national average wage, promotes or impedes the polarisation of society between the 'haves' or 'have nots'?

    As a leftie, does he think it proper that much of his cash over and above the national average wage ought to be donated to the poor?

    Then ask, as he clearly has no idea what the hell he is doing, when is he going to **** off?
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    (Original post by JakePearson)
    Does he think that helping himself to three or four times the national average wage, promotes or impedes the polarisation of society between the 'haves' or 'have nots'?

    As a leftie, does he think it proper that much of his cash over and above the national average wage ought to be donated to the poor?

    Then ask, as he clearly no idea what the hell he is doing, when he's going to **** off?
    Read the last sentence back, then write one which makes sense.
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    (Original post by Quady)
    Read the last sentence back, then write one which makes sense.
    Done.
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    (Original post by JakePearson)
    Does he think that helping himself to three or four times the national average wage, promotes or impedes the polarisation of society between the 'haves' or 'have nots'?

    As a leftie, does he think it proper that much of his cash over and above the national average wage ought to be donated to the poor?

    Then ask, as he clearly has no idea what the hell he is doing, when is he going to **** off?

    Oh no, Not the old how can lefties/socialists be comfortable with making money? chestnut again!

    Go away and read some Edward carpenter, R h tawney, Evan durbin, Crosland etc etc

    There has always been factions within the Labour Party who understood that the accumulation of capital is inevitable and necessary within a mixed/capitalist system.

    People often lazily paint Bliar as similar to Thatcher , but when you look at New Labour, the vast majority of it's policies can be traced back to the works and philosophies of some of the names mentioned above.

    ie. that it is not to be concerned with anyone getting rich, that does not affect the liberty of the poor. It is only if someone/something, ie a business accumulates capital in a way which harms/weakens the liberty of people(s) in some adverse way.

    Therefore it is not the aim.priority to directly redistribute wealth to redress the balance between the richest and the poorest, but instead to protect the poorest liberty and justice through ensuring that basic living standards can be met, access to free health care, education, a basic standard of living that is not significantly below that of those measured to be in the middle classes of society and about indirect redistribution, eg. the minimum wage.

    Most importantly it is about opportunities. Providing the greatest opportunities for the greatest number of people to ensure that the poorest in society have the opportunities open to them so that they one day might become part of the richest section of society.
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    (Original post by yorkie1221)
    Oh no, Not the old how can lefties/socialists be comfortable with making money? chestnut again!

    Go away and read some Edward carpenter, R h tawney, Evan durbin, Crosland etc etc

    There has always been factions within the Labour Party who understood that the accumulation of capital is inevitable and necessary within a mixed/capitalist system.

    People often lazily paint Bliar as similar to Thatcher , but when you look at New Labour, the vast majority of it's policies can be traced back to the works and philosophies of some of the names mentioned above.

    ie. that it is not to be concerned with anyone getting rich, that does not affect the liberty of the poor. It is only if someone/something, ie a business accumulates capital in a way which harms/weakens the liberty of people(s) in some adverse way.

    Therefore it is not the aim.priority to directly redistribute wealth to redress the balance between the richest and the poorest, but instead to protect the poorest liberty and justice through ensuring that basic living standards can be met, access to free health care, education, a basic standard of living that is not significantly below that of those measured to be in the middle classes of society and about indirect redistribution, eg. the minimum wage.

    Most importantly it is about opportunities. Providing the greatest opportunities for the greatest number of people to ensure that the poorest in society have the opportunities open to them so that they one day might become part of the richest section of society.
    I realise they see making money as inevitable. If they were that concerned about opportunity and equality they'd donate their own money. All I'm saying. Nothing else.

    Can you also explain to me how "access to free health care, education, a basic standard of living that is not significantly below that of those measured to be in the middle classes of society and about indirect redistribution, eg. the minimum wage" is securing the liberty of anyone, as you claim ("protect the poorest liberty and justice" )?
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    Ask him if he has a moat. Tell him he should get one. Discuss the advantages of moats. That'll last a good half-hour.
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    Why does the government think that the higher education budget is a good place to save money?
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    (Original post by oodalallyoodalally)
    Why does the government think that the higher education budget is a good place to save money?
    Agreed.
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    (Original post by Crimsonchilli)
    hola
    On Monday I have a meeting with about 10 others from my politics AS class with Labour MP for Hendon, Andrew Dismore.

    We've been asked to put together a big ol list of questions to keep things going for at least the 2 hours he's there. Got a few already, including assassination orders from my dad, but wondering if anyone here had anything they want me to ask ?
    Ask your MP to take you and your politics class out to a restaurant afterwards, on him. You're parents paid for it so that's fair enough.
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    If you could be a sandwhich which one would you be and why...
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    (Original post by Joseph90)
    Ask your MP to take you and your politics class out to a restaurant afterwards, on him. You're parents paid for it so that's fair enough.
    Sounds fair, we did exactly the same thing when a deputy director of Tesco came and gave a talk to us.
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    Ask him why the unite halls in London charge such outrageous rents,which has enabled the MD to retire to Switzerland a multi millionaire. £130 quid a week for one room and use of a kitchen
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    Press him on these matters and ask why he:

    1) Voted very strongly against a transparent Parliament.
    2) Voted strongly for introducing a smoking ban.
    3) Voted very strongly for introducing ID cards.
    4) Voted moderately for introducing foundation hospitals.
    5) Voted moderately for introducing student top-up fees.
    6) Voted strongly for Labour's anti-terrorism laws.
    7) Voted very strongly for the Iraq war.
    8) Voted very strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war.
    9) Has never voted on replacing Trident.
    10) Voted moderately against laws to stop climate change.
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    (Original post by JakePearson)
    I realise they see making money as inevitable. If they were that concerned about opportunity and equality they'd donate their own money. All I'm saying. Nothing else.

    Can you also explain to me how "access to free health care, education, a basic standard of living that is not significantly below that of those measured to be in the middle classes of society and about indirect redistribution, eg. the minimum wage" is securing the liberty of anyone, as you claim ("protect the poorest liberty and justice" )?

    ( FWIW i love debates like this, reminds me of university seminars trying to out whit your philosophical adversaries!)

    Concerning you point about equality and money and donating their own money. On a very crass/crude rudimentary level, i'm sure they do donate to charities etc.

    However, directly donating your money, giving to the poor, even by themselves, the reasonably well off, is at odds to what i detailed iin my previous post. Ie. that it is not to just merely give hand outs, directly emptying the pockets of those with money and giving to the poor as you suggest that MP's do, BUT rather they work to create greater opportunities for the poorest to enhance their living standards and their opportunity to gain more capital. Therefore MP's work/aim well many of them do, predominately those of Labour and the Liberals and One nation Tory's, to advance the opportunities available to the poorest in society. examples of this? the various New Deals schemes, back to work initiatives, spending on education, expanding further and higher education opportunities to young people from lower income families, more people at universities.

    Now you can debate the merits of these means all day long. The means/policies are neither here nor there, its about the philosophical ends/ambition.

    RE- Your second point on liberty. Liberty can be and has been defined and re defined hundreds of times the world over and varies greatly depending upon which philosophy or school of though you are reading.All varying definitions of 'Liberty' all contain idiosyncrasies unique to whichever school it is been explored within. Therefore many argue that 'Liberty' of people is restrained and restricted if they are not enjoy certain 'basic rights' eg education, health care.

    You can (and i have!) write long, very dry lol, thesis on debates like this and go on for ever.

    Are you planning on studying politics/philosophy at university?

    If so, i would suggest these books as good introductory reading for concepts such as 'liberty' 'justice' 'equality' 'rights' --

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/History-Mode...6&sr=1-1-fkmr0

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Labour-Party.../dp/0333669452

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Contemporary...4188537&sr=1-1
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    Ask him if being a strong opponent of a transparent Parliament has anything to do with allegations of property flipping and calls for him to step down over the alleged misuse of £65,000 in parliamentary allowances.
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    (Original post by Joseph90)
    Ask your MP to take you and your politics class out to a restaurant afterwards, on him. You're parents paid for it so that's fair enough.
    Besides, he can expense it anyway.
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    (Original post by Remarqable M)
    Press him on these matters and ask why he:

    1) Voted very strongly against a transparent Parliament.
    2) Voted strongly for introducing a smoking ban.
    3) Voted very strongly for introducing ID cards.
    4) Voted moderately for introducing foundation hospitals.
    5) Voted moderately for introducing student top-up fees.
    6) Voted strongly for Labour's anti-terrorism laws.
    7) Voted very strongly for the Iraq war.
    8) Voted very strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war.
    9) Has never voted on replacing Trident.
    10) Voted moderately against laws to stop climate change.
    Did you actually add anything above what Potally_Tissed said?
 
 
 
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