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    (Original post by NoHands)
    The idea that Uni is a waste of money because you "rack up debts"...
    What are you on about?

    You asked for non dead end careers you can get into without a degree, I gave you a couple of areas.

    Journalism can be read as 'the media generally'
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    Irrational assumptions - proof x maximum butthurt + deluded opinions\pointless question = Jealousy

    It's a disease. Get well soon brah
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    I am, regretably one of them. Slowly changing. Though I must admit this is more because of a fear of failure.
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    (Original post by Yuppie20)
    Are you serious?? You actually think you're lining yourself up for a job that's not a dead ender? The job opportunities, regarding people who don't go to a top uni, are really not that different. Uni is built up in peoples minds far to a far greater importance than it is. TBH most on here, bar a few will get good, middle class supporting jobs; dead enders, if thats what you want to avoid I'd leave. What are you really expecting?
    You know what other groups of people talk like you?

    Bin men & the underclass. You can succeed in life without a degree, but it's not the worthless piece of paper you seem to think it is :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by nativeLondoner)
    Gap years too are completely pointless and vapid, I swear these ******* need to do some national service or something. Too many of these ***** in education.
    It's a year of my life, why do you give a **** how I spend it?

    If people want to 'waste' their uni education by messing around and not studying it makes no difference to you. They're paying to be at uni so mind your own business and let them do what they want.
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    If it's possible to do so and still get a good degree... why would anyone do otherwise? You work hard for the results of that work, not because there's some objective moral high-ground that can be taken from it. Before you say people don't get good degrees without working 24/7... I call bull****. Before you say those people don't get into good careers / have inferior working lives to those "foreign students who work at least 12 hours a day" - also bull****. I know plenty of good medicine / dentistry / engineering graduates who were total pissheads at Uni.
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    (Original post by Dude Where's My Username)
    You know what other groups of people talk like you?

    Bin men & the underclass. You can succeed in life without a degree, but it's not the worthless piece of paper you seem to think it is :rolleyes:
    disregard my type and i'm probably smarter than you.

    I'm gonna keep my perspective; it's not worthless but not worth as much as the debt. "roll eyes"

    Too much emphasis is place on it, init!
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    (Original post by Dude Where's My Username)
    You know what other groups of people talk like you?

    Bin men & the underclass. You can succeed in life without a degree, but it's not the worthless piece of paper you seem to think it is :rolleyes:
    Generic arts / humanities degrees are, 90% of the time, worthless. Especially these days. Everyone and their dog has one. Vocational / specialised degrees, I agree, are worth something because you need them to get into fields that are otherwise inaccessible.
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    Considering international students are paying 3 times more to study here, of course their not going to do study more and they need to pay their way to stay so they have no choice really. I'm sure it would be the same if a western person went to another country to study.
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    you are gonna get a lot of crackers angry with this one. statistically, however, i would say you're right. but hey, it's a first world country; the standard of living is good here. people don't need to do all of that -- i mean, if a country like india swapped places with the uk, i'm sure we'd see exactly the same stuff but with different countries. 9 years ago i was in crappy algeria, where you have to work your balls off just to survive. i came here and maintained the strong work ethic and i would say i'm doing better than the average westener because of that.
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    (Original post by Yuppie20)
    disregard my type and i'm probably smarter than you.

    I'm gonna keep my perspective; it's not worthless but not worth as much as the debt. "roll eyes"

    Too much emphasis is place on it, init!
    Disregard your type? :eyeball: What are you on about? And no you're not, I can assure you of that.

    (Original post by Bhumbauze)

    Generic arts / humanities degrees are, 90% of the time, worthless. Especially these days. Everyone and their dog has one. Vocational / specialised degrees, I agree, are worth something because you need them to get into fields that are otherwise inaccessible.
    I was giving people the benefit of the doubt that they would know I was referring to academic degrees like Accounting, Law, Engineering, Maths, Economics e.t.c and not the two you've mentioned which you are correct in saying they have exponentially depreciated in value.
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    (Original post by Yuppie20)
    disregard my type and i'm probably smarter than you.

    I'm gonna keep my perspective; it's not worthless but not worth as much as the debt. "roll eyes"

    Too much emphasis is place on it, init!
    You sound like a vile paysan. Go eat boiled meat or something.
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    (Original post by madima)
    you are gonna get a lot of crackers angry with this one.....
    Any need for that talk seriously?
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    (Original post by nativeLondoner)
    It seems to me that the majority of white students are incredible self indulgent. Even the ones at good unis hardly ever study. Instead the majority of their time is spent either drinking, having sex, taking drugs and having stupid philosophical debates etc... Gap years too are completely pointless and vapid, I swear these ******* need to do some national service or something. Too many of these ***** in education.

    Eastern students generally study considerably more. We are talking a proper 12 hour working day often topped up with a part time job at weekends.

    Does anyone else think todays students are taking the piss a bit?

    You sir, have never studied engineering.
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    Decadent and proud.
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    (Original post by Dude Where's My Username)
    Disregard your type? :eyeball: What are you on about? And no you're not, I can assure you of that.



    I was giving people the benefit of the doubt that they would know I was referring to academic degrees like Accounting, Law, Engineering, Maths, Economics e.t.c and not the two you've mentioned which you are correct in saying they have exponentially depreciated in value.
    ignore the way I type.
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    (Original post by Quady)
    What are you on about?

    You asked for non dead end careers you can get into without a degree, I gave you a couple of areas.

    Journalism can be read as 'the media generally'

    Sorry, got confused.

    Yes, I guess so, but even then, Journalism is something that is very hard to break into and have to be talented to succeed in. Unless you are an incredibly talented writer, becoming a journalist with no traning (3rd level english, history, any course that requires writing really) is pretty much impossible.

    And TV is probably even harder to break into.
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    (Original post by dannylj)
    Yeah **** you, our country our culture get over yourself
    What they said.. and we study less and get further in life.. Hmm how that work then... Mr Decadent Wanabee
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    yeh well i think most westerns take their good fortunes for granted. So many are so weak, and don’t know how to push themselves. I generally find that people who have gone through real struggles in their lives, or have experienced traumas, are a lot more earnest, modest and respectable.
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    Gap years are good. Plus you enter the real world in that year and tend to work for most of it whilst deciding what you're going to study at uni plus maybe doing a part time course on the side.
 
 
 
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