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With the elections comming up: What do we do about the BNP watch

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    (Original post by Carl)
    Why is PR absurd? Why shouldn't every vote be represented in the composition of our parliament. Even if the BNP got 4% of the vote (like they did in the EU elections) that would only result in 18 or so seats under PR, hardly significant in a 550 seat parliament. You need to learn that just because you don't like a political party that should not mean that obstacles can be placed to their representation in parliament: that's illiberal and nigh-on fascist. The fact is that the vote for the BNP will be totally insignificant and they'll be lucky to pick up a single seat. What to do about the BNP? Discuss their policy with potential voters and completely discredit their policies (not hard), and simply don't vote for them!
    I think you misread my post. I wouldn't characterise PR as a whole as absurd, that would be absurd. It works relatively well in say Germany but created a political mess in Israel and Italy where fringe parties hold far too much sway imo.

    My post was regarding the particular inconsistent version that was employed in UK during the EU elections. Some regions required a different percentage to hold a seat than others. The BNP got a higher percentage of the vote in some regions but didn't get a seat because they didn't meet the thresh hold. That can't make sense. Where they did win I believe the thresh-hold was far too low.

    Overall I do prefer first past the post. Not because it keeps the BNP in particular out of office, but because i think it offers greater political stability, but also because fringe parties of any political persuasion can't hold up the process. I think that's a legitimate political stance and not in any way nigh on fascism.
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    Well, for a start, the main three need to stop fighting for power, and start fighting for their values. Labour especially have become a party hell-bent on winning elections (so have the tories to a lesser if not the same extent). When the main three start the process of de-convergence, democracy will not be a joke anymore, and political apathy should cease to exist. Labour should be representing the working class, not going after middle class votes!? LABOUR !!!!!

    In the meantime, like it or lump it (and I ******* hate it), we are in a democracy, so the BNP have every right to get elected as the Socialist Workers party.

    To stop the BNP getting elected you simply have to point out the consequences of their ridiculous policies. How much will they spend to "repatriate" my family and other minority families? I hope a lot
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    Not vote for them, what else can we do?
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    Engage them in intelligent debate.

    And the reason they did so well after the question time fiasco was because frankly it was an ambush against Griffin and not a normal episode of question time.
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    Ignore them.
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    (Original post by Cinematographic)
    I think you misread my post. I wouldn't characterise PR as a whole as absurd, that would be absurd. It works relatively well in say Germany but created a political mess in Israel and Italy where fringe parties hold far too much sway imo.

    My post was regarding the particular inconsistent version that was employed in UK during the EU elections. Some regions required a different percentage to hold a seat than others. The BNP got a higher percentage of the vote in some regions but didn't get a seat because they didn't meet the thresh hold. That can't make sense. Where they did win I believe the thresh-hold was far too low.

    Overall I do prefer first past the post. Not because it keeps the BNP in particular out of office, but because i think it offers greater political stability, but also because fringe parties of any political persuasion can't hold up the process. I think that's a legitimate political stance and not in any way nigh on fascism.
    OK I think I did misunderstand, thanks for clearing that up.
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    (Original post by adamrules247)
    Engage them in intelligent debate.
    Does such a thing even exist in politics?
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    (Original post by Yuppie20)
    Vote BNP

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    'we' can't do anything really.. BNP will no doubt make gains, as will all other partys other than labour.
    just don't vote for them, that's all you can do
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    (Original post by Aphotic Cosmos)
    if BNP don't get in i'm going to kill people, stating with you.
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    (Original post by Yuppie20)
    if BNP don't get in i'm going to kill people, stating with you.
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    its not the BNPs fault they dont force people to vote for them, its the limp **** politics of the main 3 parties which make people look for alternatives.
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    (Original post by Yuppie20)
    Vote BNP

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    I have recently turned 18 and I am very interested in politics. Especially seeing what the BNP has to say. I will actually vote for him, not only in his immigration policy, but the way he has belief in Britain as a whole. All the other parties, are more interested in a diverse society which does have economic benefits and downfalls too. I think we have actually lost touch in what country we are, and with regards to the immigration policy we need to be more strict in who we let into our country.
    I have nothing against other religions, i respect them deeply; but just think of it this way... if we go to say a different country that has a different religion to us, we have to embrace in that culture and show that we're part of it... if u get what i mean ( i have 2 b careful) and britain has actually lost that power to do that. It is more diverse than I actually realised.
    Correct me if i'm wrong.
    The BNP however has said that we need to become stricter on who we let into our country and I think that is the main focus. He does have other policies which I don't quite agree with but at the end of the day... we have to learn to compromise!
    I think if the BNP came into power it would shake up the whole country and I wouldn't be surprised, but I think that's what we need is a change to our system and who runs it!

    If people say they don't want to vote then thats fine you dont have too, (we should be like austrailia i believe) but I think it would be great if we shocked the other parties on who runs the country i could just imagine their faces.. lol

    tell me if im a lunatic for saying all this lol
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    Why the hell is the BNP getting so much damn attention?
    They're really nothing significant what so ever.
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    some1 said earlier voting for the BNP is to do with working class people... no offence but what a load of rubbish everyone in different environments and different circumstances have different opinions... unless youve actually done the statistics hehehe
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    its a bnp thread!!!

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    (Original post by Carl)
    OK I think I did misunderstand, thanks for clearing that up.
    Not to worry.

    The BNP actually only did fractionally better in the last EU elections. Despite the political apathy, and the economic down turn (which usually benefits the far right). They only won their seats because of the new election system not because there was a massive swing toward the BNP.

    So the post election headlines about their upsurge and winning seats was overblown. And left a false impression that they had made massive inroads (which they have not). And granted them far more attention then they probably deserved.

    There are two lessons here:

    1) That the British voting public ought to be given more credit and respect then they receive.

    2) We ought to keep the BNP, Islam4UK. All frindge groups in perspective.
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    (Original post by *MJ*)
    :rofl:

    Did he really say that?

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    yeah i think it was when he was on question time - by far the best one i have ever seen.
 
 
 
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