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    (Original post by Mr Sparkles)
    No idea why you would vote labour, considering the huge mess they've made of this country. I don't like David Cameron much better but at least he'll be doing things differently.

    Every government eventually makes a mess though, this is why we swing between labour and conservative...
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    (Original post by Macintosh580)
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    Care to explain why you negged me saying that the below comment was 'foolish'?:

    "Personally, I'll be voting Labour because I agree with a lot of what they've done over recent years, particularly with regards to university and to this country's youth population.

    I don't agree with everything, certainly not. In fact, some of their actions/policies I hate; but they're the best of the lot currently, as far as I'm concerned."
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    (Original post by lollapalooza)
    Why vote Labour you ask?

    Here is why:

    1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s
    2. Low mortgage rates
    3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.35
    4. Record police numbers in England, Scotland and Wales
    5. Cut overall crime by 35 per cent
    6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools
    7. Best-ever primary school results
    8. Funding for every pupil in England to double by 2008
    9. Employment is at its highest level ever
    10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries
    11. 85,000 more nurses
    12. 32,000 more doctors
    13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards
    14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament
    15. Devolved power to Welsh Assembly
    16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time
    17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice
    18. Gift aid was worth £625 million to charities last year
    19. Restored city-wide government to London
    20. Record number of students in higher education
    21. Child benefit up 25 per cent since 1997
    22. Created Sure Start to help children from low income households
    23. Introduced the Disability Rights Commission
    24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & extra £100 for over-80s
    25. On course to exceed Kyoto target to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 2010
    26. Negotiated the historic Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland
    27. Over 30,000 more teachers in England schools
    28. All workers now have a right to 4 weeks’ paid holiday
    29. A million pensioners lifted out of relative poverty
    30. 800,000 children lifted out of relative poverty
    31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents
    32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships
    33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard
    34. Free school milk for five, six and seven-year-olds in Wales
    35. Banned fox hunting
    36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since the industrial revolution
    37. Free TV licences for over-75s
    38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals
    39. Waiting times for operations halved
    40. Free local bus travel for over-60s
    41. New Deal - helped over a million people into work
    42. Over 1.5 million child trust funds have been started
    43. Free eye test for over 60s
    44. Five, six and seven year olds in class sizes of 30 or less
    45. Free entry to national museums and galleries
    46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled
    47. Cancer death rates down by 12 per cent, saving 43,000 lives
    48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent
    49. Free nursery places for three and four-year-olds in England, Scotland and Wales
    50. Free fruit for all four to six-year-olds at school

    I shall be keeping this list.
    Thanks for posting it (Y)
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    (Original post by cpj1987)
    Care to explain why you negged me saying that the below comment was 'foolish'?:

    "Personally, I'll be voting Labour because I agree with a lot of what they've done over recent years, particularly with regards to university and to this country's youth population.

    I don't agree with everything, certainly not. In fact, some of their actions/policies I hate; but they're the best of the lot currently, as far as I'm concerned."
    It wasn't foolish at all, i think (:
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    (Original post by 554593)
    Labour cares about its people and took our country out of recession which said above, is not an easy job! David Cameron will ruin our country and destroy the economy.
    Cameron's going to destroy the economy? LOL! WTF do you think we have to thank for the current 1.5 trillion debt the country is in?
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    (Original post by Peachesishere)
    It wasn't foolish at all, i think (:
    I can't see how it could be myself, but I'm interested to see what reasons against it he/she can bring to light.
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    (Original post by Peachesishere)
    I shall be keeping this list.
    Thanks for posting it (Y)
    This is my personal favorite......

    "Free school milk for five, six and seven-year-olds in Wales"

    LOL! WTF?
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    (Original post by lollapalooza)
    Why vote Labour you ask?

    Here is why:

    1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s
    2. Low mortgage rates
    3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.35
    4. Record police numbers in England, Scotland and Wales
    5. Cut overall crime by 35 per cent

    6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools
    7. Best-ever primary school results

    8. Funding for every pupil in England to double by 2008
    9. Employment is at its highest level ever

    10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries
    11. 85,000 more nurses
    12. 32,000 more doctors

    13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards
    14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament
    15. Devolved power to Welsh Assembly
    16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time
    17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice
    18. Gift aid was worth £625 million to charities last year
    19. Restored city-wide government to London
    20. Record number of students in higher education
    21. Child benefit up 25 per cent since 1997
    22. Created Sure Start to help children from low income households
    23. Introduced the Disability Rights Commission
    24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & extra £100 for over-80s
    25. On course to exceed Kyoto target to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 2010

    26. Negotiated the historic Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland
    27. Over 30,000 more teachers in England schools
    28. All workers now have a right to 4 weeks’ paid holiday
    29. A million pensioners lifted out of relative poverty
    30. 800,000 children lifted out of relative poverty
    31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents

    32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships
    33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard
    34. Free school milk for five, six and seven-year-olds in Wales
    35. Banned fox hunting
    36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since the industrial revolution
    37. Free TV licences for over-75s
    38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals
    39. Waiting times for operations halved
    40. Free local bus travel for over-60s
    41. New Deal - helped over a million people into work
    42. Over 1.5 million child trust funds have been started
    43. Free eye test for over 60s
    44. Five, six and seven year olds in class sizes of 30 or less
    45. Free entry to national museums and galleries
    46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled

    47. Cancer death rates down by 12 per cent, saving 43,000 lives
    48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent
    49. Free nursery places for three and four-year-olds in England, Scotland and Wales
    50. Free fruit for all four to six-year-olds at school
    I have emboldened those that are lies, vague statistics or just plainly not admirable things for a government to be doing.
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    (Original post by JakePearson)
    I have emboldened those that are lies, vague statistics or just plainly not admirable things for a government to be doing.
    If I had enough time on my hands I could drive a coach and horses through at least 90% of these claims which are either highly dubious, completely false, based on distorted data, or as you say, not especially admirable or valuable.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    If I had enough time on my hands I could drive a coach and horses through at least 90% of these claims which are either highly dubious, completely false, based on distorted data, or as you say, not especially admirable or valuable.
    I'm sure you could do it in a minute they're that dubious!

    In reply to the thread, there's one reason I despise Labour. This.
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    So many reasons, so little time/desire to type.
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    Whoever gave me bad rep and commented by saying *haha*.....your such a sad person lol. I hope you don't enter politics and screw it up even more haha. Fail
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    (Original post by Howard)
    This is my personal favorite......

    "Free school milk for five, six and seven-year-olds in Wales"

    LOL! WTF?
    :o:
    I fail to see what's hilarious about that Howard...
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    (Original post by Peachesishere)
    :o:
    I fail to see what's hilarious about that Howard...
    Nothing is free.
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    (Original post by JakePearson)
    Nothing is free.
    I'm sure she was coming from the parents perspective.
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    (Original post by lollapalooza)
    2. Low mortgage rates
    It's ridiculous to state that Labour has been wholly significant in this.

    4. Record police numbers in England, Scotland and Wales
    Such expense wouldn't need to be made if there were not so much red ttape in place.

    5. Cut overall crime by 35 per cent
    Overall crime?

    9. Employment is at its highest level ever
    Is this including all those unregistered workers our border control has failed to exclude?

    10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries
    Name them.

    13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards
    I would love to know which foundation or acute trusts do this, because I've noticed a distinct lack of matrons in recent years as opposed to a relative increase.

    14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament
    15. Devolved power to Welsh Assembly
    Undermines UK Parliament's Parliamentary Sovereignty; takes away power from central government and instead divides the nation by serving some sort of nationalistic point in said constituent countries.


    17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice
    NHS Direct is yet another grossly over-stated case by the Labour government and in many individual cases it has failed to identify and therefore successfully diagnose many cases which come to its attention. Indeed, an example is my mother who was (unknown to her) suffering from Hodgkin's Lymphoma, however, the recipient of the phone call was merely interested in whether or not she had had "paracetamol and glass of water which should relieve the symptoms of your flu". GPs are needed, not unreasonably trained individuals who cannot see the patient nor effectively assess them of their condition.


    21. Child benefit up 25 per cent since 1997
    Not a good thing for a multitude of reasons; encourages more children, encourages layabout behaviour and more people than need it are in receipt of it. Whilst I respect that it is needed, the base from which it works is far too large.


    25. On course to exceed Kyoto target to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 2010
    That's because the target of 8% was not rigorous enough in the first place.

    26. Negotiated the historic Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland
    I accept that this is the current government's best acheivement to date.

    29. A million pensioners lifted out of relative poverty
    30. 800,000 children lifted out of relative poverty
    That, especially the latter, is utter codswallop. It is in fact that the case that Labour failed in its mandate to do this and they even abandoned the policy last year (Google it). According to Joseph Rowntree foundation, 600,000 more children can now be defined as living in "poverty".



    35. Banned fox hunting
    Perhaps another good achievement, but it's sad to see that this is higher on the agenda than some of the policies in which they have failed to deliver on and redress through the renewal of legislation.

    36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since the industrial revolution
    Can only be attributed to better technology.


    39. Waiting times for operations halved
    *some operations

    48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent
    An untruth and you know it.


    lollapalooza, I understand if you are not able to respond to this convincingly, after all, I am aware that you did copy this from the Hazel Grove Labour Party's parliamentary website.
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    (Original post by Barden)
    Every government eventually makes a mess though, this is why we swing between labour and conservative...
    Exactly. Labour have made enough mess, they need some time to recover. Conservatives can now come and start off well, then when they make a mess we'll vote them out again.
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    (Original post by TheMeister)
    Not a good thing for a multitude of reasons; encourages more children, encourages layabout behaviour and more people than need it are in receipt of it.
    This was in response to Labour increasing child benefits.

    I was actually reading your responses until it got to this point, where I realised there was no hope.

    You know, one of my friends was like this at school. The poor are all lazy, rich people deserve their wealth because they work hard. etc. etc.

    Then he got a job and actually came to appreciate people's circumstances.

    A single mum/dad working 40 hours a week for £5.80/hour (min. wage) will earn ~ £12,000 in a year.
    How can you possibly suggest that this person doesn't need and deserve all the help that society can offer?
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    That wonderful display of what Labour have done over the past decade-and-a-bit - examine most of it and you'll find it is little more than fantasy politics. Giving people free money? What a creative policy!

    What needs to be asked is where the money is coming from, and the now-massive national debt - which George Osborne (and I usually think he's fairly useless) quite properly called an 'unexploded tax bombshell' - is the obvious answer. We'll be the ones getting it in the shorts for irresponsible spending.
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    (Original post by TheMeister)
    That, especially the latter, is utter codswallop. It is in fact that the case that Labour failed in its mandate to do this and they even abandoned the policy last year (Google it). According to Joseph Rowntree foundation, 600,000 more children can now be defined as living in "poverty".
    It's also the case that in the 18 years of Conservative Rule child poverty in this country doubled from 15% in 1979 to 31% in 1997; that was a sharper increase than the United States which also experienced large-scale increases in the levels of child poverty (yes, based on relative statistics) during the 1980s. The common theme? Adherence to free-market, neo-liberal economic policies. I suggest that, despite the recent setbacks in Labour's commitments to tackle child poverty, the legacy of the Tories is far, far worse.
 
 
 
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