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    The main problem with multiple wives is not one of ethics, but one of logic. Having multiple wives truely screws everything up; there aren't enough women to go around, jelousy, hatred, rights of the married couple, and inheritence, all mix to make it a bad idea. The reason Mohammed had so many is because he wanted to, and all he had to do was say 'God told me to' and you mugs believed him, HA. Even then he had more than the pre-prescribed limit of 4, but it's ok God told him to. And one of them was 9 years old, but it's ok God told him to... Little too convinient.
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    sorry but i did not want to take up a whole page, the origional post is back one page.
    all you point rely on us being
    1) religious - no thank you
    and
    2) muslim. explaining why allah is the true god, (most likely from a copied website, in which please just link) is completly irrelevent to most people, don't cover your attempts to convert us in a "prostitution is bad" cover, just stay on your point not that of somone you found through google
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    Better yet, make the state fail to recognise marriage or something similar. It's none of their business. Then you can marry how many people you like.
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    The main problem with multiple wives is not one of ethics, but one of logic. Having multiple wives truely screws everything up; there aren't enough women to go around, jelousy, hatred, rights of the married couple, and inheritence, all mix to make it a bad idea. The reason Mohammed had so many is because he wanted to, and all he had to do was say 'God told me to' and you mugs believed him, HA. Even then he had more than the pre-prescribed limit of 4, but it's ok God told him to. And one of them was 9 years old, but it's ok God told him to... Little too convinient.
    not at all, women are more than men in number....

    as for Prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him's marriages...for those who seek the truth or at least are fair enough to read the other side of the story...

    The several marriages that the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) contracted have been much misunderstood and subjected to derogatory remarks beyond all limits of justice and decency. Notwithstanding the fact, that the institution of polygyny existed before the advent of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and a majority of Biblical prophets were polygamous , our critics single him out "heaping abuses, calumny and derogatory epithets, upon him." 1 The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) contracted a number of marriages after the age of fifty-three. The accusation of being licentious is nothing but a product of their own fertile imagination. Dr. Besant refutes this assertion: "But do you mean to tell me that the man who in the full flush of youthful vigour, a young man of four and twenty (24), married a woman much his senior, and remained faithful to her for six and twenty years (26), at fifty years of age when the passions are dying married for lust and sexual passion? Not thus are men's lives to be judged. And you look at the women whom he married, you will find that by every one of them an alliance was made for his people, or something was gained for his followers, or the woman was in sore need of protection." 2


    The famous author of the book called "Mohammad and Mohammedanism", Bosworth Smith explains: "It should be remembered, however, that most of Mohammad's marriages may be explained at least, as much by his pity for the forlorn condition of the persons concerned as by other motives. They were almost all of them with widow who were not remarkable either for their beauty or their wealth, but quite the reverse. " 3 The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) contracted marriages either for the protection of the females whose husbands had died for the cause of Islam or for cementing the bonds of love with those who could by their position and influence be of service to Islam or for the benefit of humanity at large. "In every single case it was a personal sacrifice on the part of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) to have contracted the marriage, or circumstances obliged him to do so whilst there was as yet no law limiting the number of wives." 4 The ladies who married the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) did so of their own volition. None of them was forced into marriage. The youthful days of the Prophet prior to the beginning of revelation, "were free from every blemish ; neither his worst enemies during his life nor the mud-slinging critics of the later times have ever been able to find the slightest fault with this critical period of his life. His veracity, chastity, innocence and pureness of heart were proverbial for he never indulged in anything unbecoming of a true should youth like him." 5 From twenty-five years up to the age of fifty he remained with a wife older than him. During this period of his age he remained devoted to his wife and even after her death he remembered her with love and compassion." 6


    It is narrated on the authority of Jabir ibn Abdullah that Abu Jahl and some of the chiefs of the Quraish approached the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and said: "If you are anxious for leadership, we are prepared to declare you our leader, if you need riches we would collect for you an enormous amount of wealth that will suffice not only for you but even for your descendants; if you are impelled by sexual urge, you may chose ten beautiful damsels out of the whole tribe of Quraish. The Holy Prophet kept silent and did not utter a word. When their talks concluded, the Holy Prophet recited the following verse of the Qur'an : "Beneficent God! A revelation from the Beneficent, the Merciful : A Book of which the verses are made plain, an Arabic Qur'an for a people who know – good news and a warning. But most of them turn away, so they hearken not" (41 : 1.4).


    The Holy Prophet concluded his reply on the verse : "Then if they turn away, then say: I warn you of a scourge like the scourge of 'Ad and Thamud, (41 : 13)." 7 This solitary event is enough to refute the charge of licentiousness. The worldly pleasures had no significance for him. "His was a life of perfect sublimity and single-minded devotion to Allah, absolutely free from the taints of base desires." 8


    A Western biographer of the Holy Prophet pin-points the common weakness of the occidentals who try to bring in a verdict on the marriages of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him): "Muhammad's married life must not be looked at from an occidental point of view or from that set by Christian conventions. These men and women were not occidentals and they were not Christians. They were living at a period and in a country where the only known ethical standards were theirs. Even so, there is no reason why the codes of America and Europe should be considered superior to those of the Arabs. The people of the West have many things to give to the people of the East. They have much to glean, too, and until they can prove that their way of living is on a higher moral standard than any body else's, they should reserve judgements on other creeds and castes and countries." 9


    The Holy Prophet lived a simple and modest life . Being the Head of State, the Chief Justice, the Commander-in-Chief, the instructor etc., he was the most busiest man of his time, still he spent considerable part of his nights in prayers and meditation .10 His furniture was simple (i.e. mats, jugs, blankets etc.). His life was so simple that his wives did not have worldly comforts. Could this be a life of a lustful and passionate man? At the advent of Islam in Arabia the practice of polygyny was common and deeply rooted in the social life." 11 He contracted various marriages in accordance with the custom of the country.


    The limitation of the number of wives was fixed at the end of the eighth year of Hijrah and the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) had married all his wives before that period. He was commanded by Allah to keep those whom he had already married but was forbidden to marry any more.12 The Quranic verse, "It is not allowed to take wives after this, (33 : 52) implies that the Holy Prophet, like all his other acts contracted those marriages perfectly in accordance with the will of the Lord. There was a divine purpose behind them and when it was achieved a restriction was placed upon him." 13


    The above facts clearly belie the wrong notions that the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) contracted these marriages in response to physical needs or biological pressures. Those who doubt moral integrity or spiritual excellence of our Prophet, (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) should answer questions such as: "Why did he start his first marriage at the age of 25 years after having had no association with any female? Why did he choose a twice-widowed older lady who was 15 years senior to him? Why did he remain with her until her death when he was over fifty? Why did he accept all those helpless widows and divorcees who possessed no particular appealing qualities? Why did he lead such an austere and hard life, when he could have had an easy and comfortable course? Why did he con-contract most of his marriages in the busiest five years of his life, when his mission and career were at stake? How could he manage to be what he was, if the harem life or passions overtook him? 14



    REASONS FOR THE MARRIAGES:


    The factors that prompted the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) to contract several marriages are being briefly discussed below:


    1. An Ideal Model:

    The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) being the last and the Final Prophet 15 and "Mercy for the nations" 16 was required to present to humanity an ideal and perfect model for all stages of human experience and moral test and for that very reason the Holy Quran calls him an "excellent exemplar." 17 Mankind learnt from him the best ways. As a husband he was kind, "He lived with one wife and with more than one, with the old and the young, with the widow and the divorcee, with the pleasant and the temperamental, with the renowned and the humble; but in all cases he was the pattern of kindness and consolation." 18 To be an ideal model he had to undergo the trials and complexities of human behaviour, which were hard and by no means pleasurable. He gave to the world an ideal example of (i) a celibate life up to the age of twenty-five, (ii) a monogamous life with an old widow and (iii) finally a polygamous life after the age of fifty. In each and every aspect, his life was perfect. He indeed is a model for humanity - an excellent exemplar. Such an example could not have been possible without contracting all these marriages.

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    not at all, women are more than men in number....

    as for Prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him's marriages...for those who seek the truth or at least are fair enough to read the other side of the story...

    The several marriages that the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) contracted have been much misunderstood and subjected to derogatory remarks beyond all limits of justice and decency. Notwithstanding the fact, that the institution of polygyny existed before the advent of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and a majority of Biblical prophets were polygamous , our critics single him out "heaping abuses, calumny and derogatory epithets, upon him." 1 The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) contracted a number of marriages after the age of fifty-three. The accusation of being licentious is nothing but a product of their own fertile imagination. Dr. Besant refutes this assertion: "But do you mean to tell me that the man who in the full flush of youthful vigour, a young man of four and twenty (24), married a woman much his senior, and remained faithful to her for six and twenty years (26), at fifty years of age when the passions are dying married for lust and sexual passion? Not thus are men's lives to be judged. And you look at the women whom he married, you will find that by every one of them an alliance was made for his people, or something was gained for his followers, or the woman was in sore need of protection." 2


    The famous author of the book called "Mohammad and Mohammedanism", Bosworth Smith explains: "It should be remembered, however, that most of Mohammad's marriages may be explained at least, as much by his pity for the forlorn condition of the persons concerned as by other motives. They were almost all of them with widow who were not remarkable either for their beauty or their wealth, but quite the reverse. " 3 The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) contracted marriages either for the protection of the females whose husbands had died for the cause of Islam or for cementing the bonds of love with those who could by their position and influence be of service to Islam or for the benefit of humanity at large. "In every single case it was a personal sacrifice on the part of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) to have contracted the marriage, or circumstances obliged him to do so whilst there was as yet no law limiting the number of wives." 4 The ladies who married the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) did so of their own volition. None of them was forced into marriage. The youthful days of the Prophet prior to the beginning of revelation, "were free from every blemish ; neither his worst enemies during his life nor the mud-slinging critics of the later times have ever been able to find the slightest fault with this critical period of his life. His veracity, chastity, innocence and pureness of heart were proverbial for he never indulged in anything unbecoming of a true should youth like him." 5 From twenty-five years up to the age of fifty he remained with a wife older than him. During this period of his age he remained devoted to his wife and even after her death he remembered her with love and compassion." 6


    It is narrated on the authority of Jabir ibn Abdullah that Abu Jahl and some of the chiefs of the Quraish approached the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and said: "If you are anxious for leadership, we are prepared to declare you our leader, if you need riches we would collect for you an enormous amount of wealth that will suffice not only for you but even for your descendants; if you are impelled by sexual urge, you may chose ten beautiful damsels out of the whole tribe of Quraish. The Holy Prophet kept silent and did not utter a word. When their talks concluded, the Holy Prophet recited the following verse of the Qur'an : "Beneficent God! A revelation from the Beneficent, the Merciful : A Book of which the verses are made plain, an Arabic Qur'an for a people who know – good news and a warning. But most of them turn away, so they hearken not" (41 : 1.4).


    The Holy Prophet concluded his reply on the verse : "Then if they turn away, then say: I warn you of a scourge like the scourge of 'Ad and Thamud, (41 : 13)." 7 This solitary event is enough to refute the charge of licentiousness. The worldly pleasures had no significance for him. "His was a life of perfect sublimity and single-minded devotion to Allah, absolutely free from the taints of base desires." 8


    A Western biographer of the Holy Prophet pin-points the common weakness of the occidentals who try to bring in a verdict on the marriages of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him): "Muhammad's married life must not be looked at from an occidental point of view or from that set by Christian conventions. These men and women were not occidentals and they were not Christians. They were living at a period and in a country where the only known ethical standards were theirs. Even so, there is no reason why the codes of America and Europe should be considered superior to those of the Arabs. The people of the West have many things to give to the people of the East. They have much to glean, too, and until they can prove that their way of living is on a higher moral standard than any body else's, they should reserve judgements on other creeds and castes and countries." 9


    The Holy Prophet lived a simple and modest life . Being the Head of State, the Chief Justice, the Commander-in-Chief, the instructor etc., he was the most busiest man of his time, still he spent considerable part of his nights in prayers and meditation .10 His furniture was simple (i.e. mats, jugs, blankets etc.). His life was so simple that his wives did not have worldly comforts. Could this be a life of a lustful and passionate man? At the advent of Islam in Arabia the practice of polygyny was common and deeply rooted in the social life." 11 He contracted various marriages in accordance with the custom of the country.


    The limitation of the number of wives was fixed at the end of the eighth year of Hijrah and the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) had married all his wives before that period. He was commanded by Allah to keep those whom he had already married but was forbidden to marry any more.12 The Quranic verse, "It is not allowed to take wives after this, (33 : 52) implies that the Holy Prophet, like all his other acts contracted those marriages perfectly in accordance with the will of the Lord. There was a divine purpose behind them and when it was achieved a restriction was placed upon him." 13


    The above facts clearly belie the wrong notions that the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) contracted these marriages in response to physical needs or biological pressures. Those who doubt moral integrity or spiritual excellence of our Prophet, (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) should answer questions such as: "Why did he start his first marriage at the age of 25 years after having had no association with any female? Why did he choose a twice-widowed older lady who was 15 years senior to him? Why did he remain with her until her death when he was over fifty? Why did he accept all those helpless widows and divorcees who possessed no particular appealing qualities? Why did he lead such an austere and hard life, when he could have had an easy and comfortable course? Why did he con-contract most of his marriages in the busiest five years of his life, when his mission and career were at stake? How could he manage to be what he was, if the harem life or passions overtook him? 14



    REASONS FOR THE MARRIAGES:


    The factors that prompted the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) to contract several marriages are being briefly discussed below:


    1. An Ideal Model:

    The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) being the last and the Final Prophet 15 and "Mercy for the nations" 16 was required to present to humanity an ideal and perfect model for all stages of human experience and moral test and for that very reason the Holy Quran calls him an "excellent exemplar." 17 Mankind learnt from him the best ways. As a husband he was kind, "He lived with one wife and with more than one, with the old and the young, with the widow and the divorcee, with the pleasant and the temperamental, with the renowned and the humble; but in all cases he was the pattern of kindness and consolation." 18 To be an ideal model he had to undergo the trials and complexities of human behaviour, which were hard and by no means pleasurable. He gave to the world an ideal example of (i) a celibate life up to the age of twenty-five, (ii) a monogamous life with an old widow and (iii) finally a polygamous life after the age of fifty. In each and every aspect, his life was perfect. He indeed is a model for humanity - an excellent exemplar. Such an example could not have been possible without contracting all these marriages.

    Read the rest at
    http://rasoulallah.net/subject_en.as...29&sub_id=6245
    The reason he changed his tune at that age, as did many of his teachings (for instance much of Jihad etc. come from this period), is because he was a schizophrenic. All you need do is read the Quaran and you can see that it is seperated into 2 parts: Medina and Mecca. He meets the whole check list for schizophrenia suffers; visions, fits, changing personality, violence etc. etc. Anyone wondering if it was anything but physical and biological needs driving him needs to ask themselves: 'could one of the most powerful men in the whole of the Arab world not have protected these women without marrying them/sleeping with them?' The obvious answer being yes he could. They also need to ask themselves 'Why was one of these women already married to his son before he took her as his wife?'. Now they truely get to see the picture of the man he had become. What about the question of 'Why did he need to initiate a marriage with a 6 year old who was already in the care of her father?'. The list goes on an on, and when you actually think with a clear and logical mind you can see that it was not about protection or spreading Islam but Mohammed filling his boots.

    I am of course fully aware other prophets from the bible took multiple wives; but they didn't claim to be infallable. They were men of the earth proclaiming Gods message, rather than being men who were sent to supplement their message with personal messages as Mohammed supposidly was. Jesus on the other hand did not have multiple wives, did not marry children, did not kill people, did not rape people, did not keep slaves, (you kind of get the picture...), so I believe he is slightly more followable. Indeed we have seen the two polar opposites of worlds that have evolved following each mans message, and it seems you and your family have chosen to live in the one Jesus had the biggest bareing on.

    I did read your entire novel but if you could be a bit more concise with your arguments that would be helpful.
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    how can prostitution being degrading an opinion?
    Degradation is a feeling. It's an emotion, or maybe a set of emotions. You don't know that everyone in the world would experience the feeling of being degraded given that situation.

    Say someone told you that their grandfather died. You might say to them "you must be very sad". And then they reply "No, I'm actually happy". You can't just correct them and say "No, you're wrong. You are sad because I say your grandfather dying is a sad thing." What I'm saying is that you don't decide how other people feel. They feel what the feel, not what you think they should feel, or what you would feel in the same situation.
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    Degradation is a feeling. It's an emotion, or maybe a set of emotions. You don't know that everyone in the world would experience the feeling of being degraded given that situation.

    Say someone told you that their grandfather died. You might say to them "you must be very sad". And then they reply "No, I'm actually happy". You can't just correct them and say "No, you're wrong. You are sad because I say your grandfather dying is a sad thing." What I'm saying is that you don't decide how other people feel. They feel what the feel, not what you think they should feel, or what you would feel in the same situation.
    I say it is brainwashing when prostitution becomes a normal thing and calling it degrading becomes just an opinion and is being compared to someone's grandfather dying!!!

    it is this delusion that a person is free to do whatever he/she wants when such acts become a personal thing and no one has a right to call it wrong...but if someone really thinks about it, prostitution is nothing but degradation of women...
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    The reason he changed his tune at that age, as did many of his teachings (for instance much of Jihad etc. come from this period), is because he was a schizophrenic. All you need do is read the Quaran and you can see that it is seperated into 2 parts: Medina and Mecca. He meets the whole check list for schizophrenia suffers; visions, fits, changing personality, violence etc. etc. Anyone wondering if it was anything but physical and biological needs driving him needs to ask themselves: 'could one of the most powerful men in the whole of the Arab world not have protected these women without marrying them/sleeping with them?' The obvious answer being yes he could. They also need to ask themselves 'Why was one of these women already married to his son before he took her as his wife?'. Now they truely get to see the picture of the man he had become. What about the question of 'Why did he need to initiate a marriage with a 6 year old who was already in the care of her father?'. The list goes on an on, and when you actually think with a clear and logical mind you can see that it was not about protection or spreading Islam but Mohammed filling his boots.

    I am of course fully aware other prophets from the bible took multiple wives; but they didn't claim to be infallable. They were men of the earth proclaiming Gods message, rather than being men who were sent to supplement their message with personal messages as Mohammed supposidly was. Jesus on the other hand did not have multiple wives, did not marry children, did not kill people, did not rape people, did not keep slaves, (you kind of get the picture...), so I believe he is slightly more followable. Indeed we have seen the two polar opposites of worlds that have evolved following each mans message, and it seems you and your family have chosen to live in the one Jesus had the biggest bareing on.

    I did read your entire novel but if you could be a bit more concise with your arguments that would be helpful.
    very flawed and full of stereotypes reply..

    you repeat again and again false claims that he raped women!!! He never did...

    As for Prophet Jesus Peace Be Upon Him not marrying not fighting (i would not say killing as if to show that killing someone is always wrong, what about war? what about when someone is attacking you to kill you? fighting is a must at times), it is because Prophet Jesus was not sent to establish a religion on earth, he was not the last messenger to humanity that is why all laws and regulations were not given to him, that is why he said it himself in the Bible JOHN 16: Jesus said, 12“I still have many things to say to
    you, but you cannot bear them now
    . 13When the Spirit of truth
    comes, (1) he will guide you into all the truth; for (2) he will not
    speak on his own, but will speak whatever he hears, and (3) he will
    declare to you the things that are to come. 14 (4) He will glorify me,
    because (5) he will take what is mine and declare it to you." (of course that is a totally other topic that he never said spirit of truth but he was referring to none other than Prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him)..

    Whereas Prophet Muhammad married, ruled, governed, showed what God's kingdom on earth would be like because he was the last and final Messenger and Qur'an is the final revelation to humanity...

    And no, Prophet Muhammad did not marry the wife of his son, see this is how anti-Islam people twist things, the man was not his son at all, but someone he adopted and raised, there is a world of difference there..

    And the link I gave actually answers to all of the allegations you and those like you keep repeating, if he was hungry for blood, why then when he came back and took over Makkah did not kill everyone who tortured him and abused him and tormented other Muslims????
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    I say it is brainwashing when prostitution becomes a normal thing and calling it degrading becomes just an opinion and is being compared to someone's grandfather dying!!!

    it is this delusion that a person is free to do whatever he/she wants when such acts become a personal thing and no one has a right to call it wrong...but if someone really thinks about it, prostitution is nothing but degradation of women...
    Are you actually going to respond to my point or just keep repeating the same stuff over and over again? I've explained in quite simple terms why it's invalid to make an absolute claim that prostitution is degrading.

    Do you agree that being degraded is a feeling? If so, how do you know what other people feel when you haven't even met them?
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    Are you actually going to respond to my point or just keep repeating the same stuff over and over again? I've explained in quite simple terms why it's invalid to make an absolute claim that prostitution is degrading.

    Do you agree that being degraded is a feeling? If so, how do you know what other people feel when you haven't even met them?
    Wow you really do love prostitutes don't you?
    Want me to go and tell your girlfriend?
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    Are you actually going to respond to my point or just keep repeating the same stuff over and over again? I've explained in quite simple terms why it's invalid to make an absolute claim that prostitution is degrading.

    Do you agree that being degraded is a feeling? If so, how do you know what other people feel when you haven't even met them?
    So much for upholding British culture and values. Do you honestly believe that the acceptance of prostitution is representative of European, or at least British culture and values?

    I think your Prime Minister would disgaree, I think the Queen would disagree too. I think any true gentleman would disagree.

    Well certainly you are correct about degrading being a feeling. But it doesn't mean that the prostitute alone is allowed to call her job demeaning and/or degrading and not anybody else...

    Prostitution does diminish the morals of a person, however as this discussion has proved, it remains purely subjective. You don't find anything wrong with it for some odd reason, others may differ.

    Do you still think the social taboo of prostitution has disappeared completely? Even hundred years ago, what do you think the situation was?

    Let's not even bring religion into this. No matter how much you try to argue, no matter how politically correct your statements are, you cannot reject the fact that in general people do not have much respect for prostitutes. Prostitution in strict economic terms is considered a demerit good (demerit service rather)!
    It comes down to whether you are what YOU think you are, or what others around think of you.

    And on a personal note- How much respect do you have for prostitutes? Would you ever marry a prostitute?

    Don't avoid answering my last question. Because if you do, I will only feel that you feel humiliated to admit that you would marry a prostitute and hence you find their profession a degrading, disrespectful one too!
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    Wow you really do love prostitutes don't you?
    Want me to go and tell your girlfriend?
    I don't have a girlfriend, I've never slept with a prostitute and I don't have any particular plans to do so.

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    So much for upholding British culture and values. Do you honestly believe that the acceptance of prostitution is representative of European, or at least British culture and values?

    I think your Prime Minister would disgaree, I think the Queen would disagree too. I think any true gentleman would disagree.
    I can't say I particular care about upholding British culture. I don't think the state should restrict people's freedom purely to stop the culture from changing.

    (Original post by ahnaf.c)
    Well certainly you are correct about degrading being a feeling. But it doesn't mean that the prostitute alone is allowed to call her job demeaning and/or degrading and not anybody else...

    Prostitution does diminish the morals of a person, however as this discussion has proved, it remains purely subjective. You don't find anything wrong with it for some odd reason, others may differ.
    Well I say if you have a problem with it, don't become a prostitute, and don't hire them either. When people say prostitution is degrading really they mean "I would feel degraded if I were a prostitute". I think it should be up to the individual whether they consider it degrading, and even if they do, they should still be free to do it if they think the benefits outweigh that. Even if the majority think prostitution is degrading, I don't see why they should be able to decide that for an individual.

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    Do you still think the social taboo of prostitution has disappeared completely? Even hundred years ago, what do you think the situation was?
    No, it still has a pretty big taboo. And I expect even if it were permitted, it would still be a taboo. I don't care if people openly accept prostitution or not. I just don't think that is grounds for telling people what they aren't allowed to do with their own bodies.

    (Original post by ahnaf.c)
    Let's not even bring religion into this. No matter how much you try to argue, no matter how politically correct your statements are, you cannot reject the fact that in general people do not have much respect for prostitutes. Prostitution in strict economic terms is considered a demerit good (demerit service rather)!
    It comes down to whether you are what YOU think you are, or what others around think of you.
    Yeah I've been trying to keep religion out of it. I don't think it's particulary relevant what people's personal reasons for being against prostitution are.


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    And on a personal note- How much respect do you have for prostitutes? Would you ever marry a prostitute?

    Don't avoid answering my last question. Because if you do, I will only feel that you feel humiliated to admit that you would marry a prostitute and hence you find their profession a degrading, disrespectful one too!
    I think I could marry someone who used to be a prostitute. I might worry about not being able to satisfy them in bed though:p:

    I don't think I could be in a relationship with someone who is currently a prostitute though. But then again I definitely wouldn't marry someone who won't have sex before marriage, so it doesn't mean it's because I don't respect them.
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    So much for upholding British culture and values. Do you honestly believe that the acceptance of prostitution is representative of European, or at least British culture and values.
    again i bring up germany.. europe is very open about such things. Britain has always been behind a mask of sternness, we have prostitudes just like how the rest of europe does.
    (Original post by ahnaf.c)
    I think your Prime Minister would disgaree, I think the Queen would disagree too. I think any true gentleman would disagree.
    ...
    Do you still think the social taboo of prostitution has disappeared completely? Even hundred years ago, what do you think the situation was?
    Any true gentle man 100 years ago probibly knew where to go. now days with porn the need is less, so they can preach more.
    (i know i cut out a big chunk, but i failed to see anypoint in haveing it there to
    (Original post by ahnaf.c)
    Let's not even bring religion into this. No matter how much you try to argue, no matter how politically correct your statements are, you cannot reject the fact that in general people do not have much respect for prostitutes. Prostitution in strict economic terms is considered a demerit good (demerit service rather)!
    It comes down to whether you are what YOU think you are, or what others around think of you.
    :yep: i disagree with your point of view on the most part but this I agree with.

    (Original post by ahnaf.c)
    And on a personal note- How much respect do you have for prostitutes? Would you ever marry a prostitute?

    Don't avoid answering my last question. Because if you do, I will only feel that you feel humiliated to admit that you would marry a prostitute and hence you find their profession a degrading, disrespectful one too!
    If i loved her then yes i would.
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    Fair enough.
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    (Original post by Psyk)
    Are you actually going to respond to my point or just keep repeating the same stuff over and over again? I've explained in quite simple terms why it's invalid to make an absolute claim that prostitution is degrading.

    Do you agree that being degraded is a feeling? If so, how do you know what other people feel when you haven't even met them?
    raping a woman is respecting or degrading?

    making fun of a blind person because he cannot see is a nice thing or not?

    can a prostitute be a role model? if so, to whom? a woman is shy by nature, and when she sells herself like that, you know something is wrong with her mind or with society....
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    n I definitely wouldn't marry someone who won't have sex before marriage, so it doesn't mean it's because I don't respect them.
    so you would love to marry someone who have had sex with many guys before....???!!! what morals are these??

    or if you like a girl and she has very good morals and manners but when you find out she didn't have sex before marriage or would not have sex with you before marriage you will right away reject her???!!! lol
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    so you would love to marry someone who have had sex with many guys before....???!!! what morals are these??

    or if you like a girl and she has very good morals and manners but when you find out she didn't have sex before marriage or would not have sex with you before marriage you will right away reject her???!!! lol
    Its a personal issue. Even divorced women would have had sex, does that mean marrying divorced women is immoral?
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    I did not mean that "ahnaf", but i am talking about a woman who has never been married and never but had sex with multiple guys, she is more eligible according to him than a woman who did not have sex before marriage!!!
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    (Original post by saalih)
    I did not mean that "ahnaf", but i am talking about a woman who has never been married and never but had sex with multiple guys, she is more eligible according to him than a woman who did not have sex before marriage!!!
    I don't care how many people they've slept with before me. I just won't marry anyone until they've had sex with at least one person, that person being me.
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    (Original post by saalih)
    raping a woman is respecting or degrading?

    making fun of a blind person because he cannot see is a nice thing or not?

    can a prostitute be a role model? if so, to whom? a woman is shy by nature, and when she sells herself like that, you know something is wrong with her mind or with society....
    who said rape was ok? we are not discussing this.
    women are not shy by nature, show me any study to show this, and not a religious site's please
    nothing has to be wrong in her mind or socity. you really are not taking in anyones point of view as valid are you?
 
 
 
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