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    it says in my text book "the prime minister's power to hire and fire extends to the cabinet and to other ministers." does this mean he could fire shadow ministers etc?
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    No, the PM has no power over anyone in the Opposition. By "other ministers", it's most likely referring to Ministers of State or junior ministers that basically act as deputies to Secretaries of State (who are main members of the cabinet).

    A prime example is Sadiq Khan, who is Minister of State for Transport (and thus appointed by the PM) and acts as deputy to the Secretary of State for Transport, Lord Adonis.
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    (Original post by anna_disraeli)
    it says in my text book "the prime minister's power to hire and fire extends to the cabinet and to other ministers." does this mean he could fire shadow ministers etc?
    No, as shadow ministers are not actually ministers with powers, just the opposition's people who would be ministers if they were in power.
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    No.

    Shadow ministers are not in Her Majesty's Government (the PM, the Cabinet and all junior ministers), so he has no power to sack them. Only the Leader of the Opposition can sack shadow ministers.
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    Not for Shadow ministers, no. For a coalition government, I'm not sure. If a coalition prime minister dismissed a minister from a different party, suffice to say that the coalition government would very likely collapse, and the prime minister's authority and parliamentary power would go down with it.
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    Anyone else want to reiterate the word 'no'?
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    (Original post by Drew.)
    Anyone else want to reiterate the word 'no'?
    No.
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    (Original post by Drew.)
    Anyone else want to reiterate the word 'no'?
    Yes.






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    (Original post by anna_disraeli)
    it says in my text book "the prime minister's power to hire and fire extends to the cabinet and to other ministers." does this mean he could fire shadow ministers etc?
    A Shadow Minister isn't a minister... you might as well call them 'the opposition spokesperson for x'
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    (Original post by Liquidus Zeromus)
    Not for Shadow ministers, no. For a coalition government, I'm not sure. If a coalition prime minister dismissed a minister from a different party, suffice to say that the coalition government would very likely collapse, and the prime minister's authority and parliamentary power would go down with it.
    They still have the ability to remove/change them.

    I don't think changing the 'coalition' minister for the north west, but bringing in 'coalition' cabinet minister for transport would make a coalition collapse.
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    (Original post by Quady)
    They still have the ability to remove/change them.

    I don't think changing the 'coalition' minister for the north west, but bringing in 'coalition' cabinet minister for transport would make a coalition collapse.
    They probably wouldn't be able to that without coalition approval. It would still be political fiddling which might change the balance of power, based on political personalities.
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    (Original post by anna_disraeli)
    it says in my text book "the prime minister's power to hire and fire extends to the cabinet and to other ministers." does this mean he could fire shadow ministers etc?
    LOL! Of course not. It simply means he can fire non cabinet ministers.
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    Nein.
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    In a word - Yes.

    This is the usual case because in the usual outcome of Majority Party Government, he can choose to appoint an opposition member as a minister and freely dispose of them as he sees fit.

    If, however, his party is in a minority and depends on the other party for survival (in the event of a Coalition Government), then the answer is a firm no.

    Circumstancial. Simply.
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    (Original post by S.Beall)
    In a word - Yes.

    This is the usual case because in the usual outcome of Majority Party Government, he can choose to appoint an opposition member as a minister and freely dispose of them as he sees fit.

    If, however, his party is in a minority and depends on the other party for survival (in the event of a Coalition Government), then the answer is a firm no.

    Circumstancial. Simply.
    Sorry, run past me how the PM can sack a Shadow Minister from being a Shadow Minister again...?
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    (Original post by S.Beall)
    In a word - Yes.
    I admire the originality of your response, but it's utter twaddle.
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    The Prime Minister appoints all ministers and secretaries of state of Government.
    The Prime Minister DOES NOT appoint shadow ministers/spokesman.
    However, the Prime Minister can appoint ministers from any party if he so chooses.
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    (Original post by Teaddict)
    However, the Prime Minister can appoint ministers from any party if he so chooses.
    Only if they are a member of the house of commons or lords.
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    (Original post by Quady)
    Sorry, run past me how the PM can sack a Shadow Minister from being a Shadow Minister again...?
    It is quite simple.

    IF the PRIME MINISTER APPOINTS (trying to make this as SIMPLE as possible) an OPPOSITION MEMBER to the GOVERNMENT (as in the Coalition Government of Winston Churchill), he can freely FIRE THEM if his own PARTY is in a MAJORITY.

    IF HIS PARTY IS PART OF A COALITION, HE WILL BE BARRED FROM SACKING SUCH A MEMBER BECAUSE OF THE AGREEMENT, BECAUSE IF HE DOES SO THE COALITION WILL COLLAPSE!


    I believe the question was about Ministers, not Shadow Ministers. Dafty.
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    (Original post by S.Beall)
    I believe the question was about Ministers, not Shadow Ministers. Dafty.
    Is that because you didn't read the OP?

    'does this mean he could fire shadow ministers etc?'

    Being called dafty from you is a compliment.
 
 
 
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