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    (Original post by brokenangel)
    Correct me if im wrong but wasnt that in the Medics society thread so what the hell were you doing looking for it the video as far as im aware was made in a joking manner.

    No it wasn't, it was posted by a user in a thread titled 'nursing to medicine' and got removed. It was not funny, it was extremely offensive and i'm happy to post the emails i got about it and discussions with other nurses about how upset and insulted they were

    I give up with you sometimes easy isnt just about the general term i didnt say a nurising degree was emotionaly easy, or stressfully easy. I just said that the science you learn isnt as in depth and therefore is easier than a pure science degree!
    to sound like a broken record, it's a science degree- to understand public health, care and the whole crap that comes with it, this is science. To put it more realistically its like saying a biology degree is harder than a physics degree...it's a different science.

    what the generation of more nurses that think they are doctors or are up their own arses let me see looking after the patient in general, bed baths, talking to them, FEEDING THEM, dressing wounds etc generally the stuff that is now done by HCA with a few weeks training.
    Yeah thats nursing, nurses do that and part of the role of an Rn is also delegation. But HCA's aren't nurses, they're there to fill in an unfortunate nurse shortage. It shouldn't have to happen, they shouldn't have to be there. However the nursing role isn't just dressing wounds and feeding a patient..it's drugs, referrals, procedures, social work, asessments, documentation, discharge planning god the list cango on.. as well as delegating and being responsible for the HCA or CSW you're working with. If i'm an RN on a ward, with 2 hca's under me, and they mess up- it's on my head



    Do you need to know how to set up the machines do you hell and I know for a fact you arent tauht it so dont say you are, ive spent enough time in a hospital lab toknow you guys get a quick tour told this machine does XY&Z and dont get told how it works or how to run it at all
    Why'd i need to know how the machines are set up in the labs? Its my role to check the results, refer to the doctor on the ward, or nurse in charge, discuss treatment and care issues with the MDT about these results, and know what they mean for my patient, so i can give EBP care to them alongside my NMC code of conduct

    it's getting silly- please get yourself on a ward, and really see wtf goes on for real
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    (Original post by Subcutaneous)
    I genuinely don't care anymore, it's getting to the point, where i'm telling someone what nurses study, need to know to qualify and I get told we should 'stick to nursing' and stop having an 'attitude', well i'm really sorry I need to know the normal ranges for my patients creatinine or thrombocytes :rolleyes: because believe it or not, this is what nursing training involves
    ok i will let you have you way... a newly qualified nurses can take the biopsy, take it to the lab, prosess/analyse the result, decide the diagnosis, decide on treatment, perscribe the drugs, administer the drugs and treatment.if the patient rquires any specialist treatment (i.e. radiography) the nurse can do that also.... if you think a nurse does all these things singel handedly with out a doctor, ratiographer, lab tec in sight then you are gonna get a shock when you start work.

    i feel like i have said it about 10 times but 'nurses work hard' but they do not run the nhs alone. we are just asking you to be a little more realistic about your job/degree.
    Tbh this thread should probably be in the nursing forum
    no because this thread should have been about the OP wanting to do medicine untimatly
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    (Original post by brokenangel)
    £100 says she a rejected medical student that jelous of you lot

    seriously? I chose not to go into medicine, i made the choice to be a nurse..i've doubted my choice, had bad days and good days..after today i was more than ready to be a physio after seeing her go home 4 hours before I did. However i'm training to be a nurse, i try bloody hard at what i do, i'm certainly not jealous, what is there to be jealous of? I'm grateful im in a career where i can have a family and not let it put back my career, where it's not male dominated and is in a stage at the moment in the health service where it's fantastic to be a student nurse- as when i qualify, the nursing comission would be in it's full force and give me many opportunities for advancement, training and education to give the best care. I hate nursing sometimes, and i'd never reccomend it to someone who's not really thought about it, as it breaks you down, but i wouldn't change what I do for the world.
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    (Original post by Subcutaneous)
    it's getting silly
    what you got silly about 10 posts ago.
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    (Original post by Subcutaneous)
    seriously? I chose not to go into medicine, i made the choice to be a nurse..i've doubted my choice, had bad days and good days..after today i was more than ready to be a physio after seeing her go home 4 hours before I did. However i'm training to be a nurse, i try bloody hard at what i do, i'm certainly not jealous, what is there to be jealous of? I'm grateful im in a career where i can have a family and not let it put back my career, where it's not male dominated and is in a stage at the moment in the health service where it's fantastic to be a student nurse- as when i qualify, the nursing comission would be in it's full force and give me many opportunities for advancement, training and education to give the best care. I hate nursing sometimes, and i'd never reccomend it to someone who's not really thought about it, as it breaks you down, but i wouldn't change what I do for the world.
    you have literally wrote essays on how 'we' alway provide the wrong info yet you dont have a clue.
    loads of consultants have family and kids. and there are loads of women doctors.
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    (Original post by ballerinabetty)
    ok i will let you have you way... a newly qualified nurses can take the biopsy, take it to the lab, prosess/analyse the result, decide the diagnosis, decide on treatment, perscribe the drugs, administer the drugs and treatment.if the patient rquires any specialist treatment (i.e. radiography) the nurse can do that also.... if you think a nurse does all these things singel handedly with out a doctor, ratiographer, lab tec in sight then you are gonna get a shock when you start work.

    i feel like i have said it about 10 times but 'nurses work hard' but they do not run the nhs alone. we are just asking you to be a little more realistic about your job/degree.

    no because this thread should have been about the OP wanting to do medicine untimatly
    did i ever say nurses do all that? No. However i know exactly the autonomous responsibility i have to report, take action, and document said results, and to also decide whether ..what you may want to call a biopsy, is needed.

    Let me give you an example of what happened today, and this was when working alongside an RN not as a st/nurse

    1. asissted in 3 day wound change of post op site, site looked oedemous, red and patient complained of pain.
    2. NURSE made decision to take wound swab
    3. Wound swab results reported
    4. Nurse bleeped on call team, discussed with team plan for abx, asissted doctor in visual asessment of wound
    5. Abx prescribed by medical team, physio team informed and physio was changed to suit patients pain needs and also mobility
    6. Patient now on abx, family and patient informed of a possible prolonged discharge and why by nursing team, wound check to be regular and change of dressings also made by the nursing team due to leakage
    7. this information was logged in nursing notes, and in medical notes by medical team, will be discussed at mdt handover in morning, and also ward round with sister late morning.

    can you see- the roles all of the teams undertake, but why it is also important nurses need to know about these lab results, and drugs..and decisions made?
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    (Original post by ballerinabetty)
    you have literally wrote essays on how 'we' alway provide the wrong info yet you dont have a clue.
    loads of consultants have family and kids. and there are loads of women doctors.

    any female consultant will tell you it hasn't been easy, they've faced comments from colleagues, prejudice and have found sterotyping from their training onwards. Luckily with the male:female ratio in medical training this may change to a more equal opportunity career, which is fantastic, however i'm constantly hearing moaning from my colleagues, and also friends which are students
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    (Original post by Subcutaneous)
    can you see- the roles all of the teams undertake, but why it is also important nurses need to know about these lab results, and drugs..and decisions made?
    em..... because you are making such a big deal about how scientific nurses and how you're "apparently" on a science degree(is that why nurses are always based in the health care dept of the uni rather than the science dept?).
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    (Original post by Subcutaneous)
    it's getting silly- please get yourself on a ward, and really see wtf goes on for real
    Nice try to stop me quoting you btw I do spend time on wards :p:

    (Original post by Subcutaneous)
    to sound like a broken record, it's a science degree- to understand public health, care and the whole crap that comes with it, this is science. To put it more realistically its like saying a biology degree is harder than a physics degree...it's a different science.
    Its not its applied science, just like biomed is an APPLIED science degree not a pure science degree

    (Original post by Subcutaneous)
    Why'd i need to know how the machines are set up in the labs? Its my role to check the results, refer to the doctor on the ward, or nurse in charge, discuss treatment and care issues with the MDT about these results, and know what they mean for my patient, so i can give EBP care to them alongside my NMC code of conduct
    Correction it would be my job to check the results and if they are time critical get hold of the doctor while sending the results to the ward! The amount of times ive seen the doctor ring the Biomeds/clinical scientist about results not the little nurse is enough evidence for me thanks plus it a job id be qualified to do prity soon!
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    (Original post by ballerinabetty)
    em..... because you are making such a big deal about how scientific nurses and how you're "apparently" on a science degree(is that why nurses are always based in the health care dept of the uni rather than the science dept?).

    :facepalm:

    my department comes under medicine and health sciences
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    (Original post by Subcutaneous)
    any female consultant will tell you it hasn't been easy, they've faced comments from colleagues, prejudice and have found sterotyping from their training onwards. Luckily with the male:female ratio in medical training this may change to a more equal opportunity career, which is fantastic, however i'm constantly hearing moaning from my colleagues, and also friends which are students
    i have a female doctor(consultant) friend, her husband and her 3 children, who would disagree with that.
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    (Original post by Subcutaneous)
    any female consultant will tell you it hasn't been easy, they've faced comments from colleagues, prejudice and have found sterotyping from their training onwards. Luckily with the male:female ratio in medical training this may change to a more equal opportunity career, which is fantastic, however i'm constantly hearing moaning from my colleagues, and also friends which are students
    erm not every female wants to have kids and not every woman takes a year off to have a kid my mam had 1month with me and was back at work thats hardly going to affect your career is it! Hell some illnesses would need longer off work!

    (Original post by Subcutaneous)
    did i ever say nurses do all that? No. However i know exactly the autonomous responsibility i have to report, take action, and document said results, and to also decide whether ..what you may want to call a biopsy, is needed.

    Let me give you an example of what happened today, and this was when working alongside an RN not as a st/nurse

    1. asissted in 3 day wound change of post op site, site looked oedemous, red and patient complained of pain.
    2. NURSE made decision to take wound swab
    3. Wound swab results reported
    4. Nurse bleeped on call team, discussed with team plan for abx, asissted doctor in visual asessment of wound
    5. Abx prescribed by medical team, physio team informed and physio was changed to suit patients pain needs and also mobility
    6. Patient now on abx, family and patient informed of a possible prolonged discharge and why by nursing team, wound check to be regular and change of dressings also made by the nursing team due to leakage
    7. this information was logged in nursing notes, and in medical notes by medical team, will be discussed at mdt handover in morning, and also ward round with sister late morning.

    can you see- the roles all of the teams undertake, but why it is also important nurses need to know about these lab results, and drugs..and decisions made?
    Everyone on this thread has said nurses need to understand test results, drugs etc just not the level of a clinical scientist!
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    (Original post by brokenangel)


    Everyone on this thread has said nurses need to understand test results, drugs etc just not the level of a clinical scientist!

    and since when did i say i needed to know what matt in path lab does?! I don't, ive said time and time again i need to know how it affects my patient, and their care. Science is no longer sitting in a lab, psychology has shown that
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    (Original post by Subcutaneous)
    and since when did i say i needed to know what matt in path lab does?! I don't, ive said time and time again i need to know how it affects my patient, and their care. Science is no longer sitting in a lab, psychology has shown that
    Thats what makes nursing an APPLIED science degree not a PURE science degree which is what we have been trying to get through to you for the last hour!

    The statement in this thread was a PURE science degree might be better as it more academically rigorous than nursing which is a well documented fact!

    Oh yeah and i love how everyone else has acknowledge where they are wrong yet when ive pointed out where you are way off the mark you dont even admit it. Word of advice get off your high horses before you come crashing off it. I hope to god i never have to work with you telling me how to do my job and i definatly hope to god im never your patient!

    Nurses arent doctors, biomeds, clinical scientists, ward managers etc they are nurses and need to remember that and stick to their role. The NHS is dumbing down using nurses as cheap doctors which is out write wrong sooner rather than later someone is going to die as a nurse simply didnt have the clinical knowledge to recognise what was wrong, this cant be stopped until nursing student realise they arent scientist and look to other people for advice. Thats like me saying you definatly have this as your lab results show X when i dont have a clue what the patient existing condition could cause or if a drug the patient is being given is in fact causing the ideitified result.
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    well since this thread is totally ruined for the OP now ( big sorry OP) im off to bed. it has been fun ladies
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    (Original post by ballerinabetty)
    well since this thread is totally ruined for the OP now ( big sorry OP) im off to bed. it has been fun ladies
    yeah hopefully one of the mods will delete all the crap in the morning. Sub continue it by PM if you like.

    sorry hygeia
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    (Original post by brokenangel)
    Thats what makes nursing an APPLIED science degree not a PURE science degree which is what we have been trying to get through to you for the last hour!



    Nurses arent doctors, biomeds, clinical scientists, ward managers etc they are nurses and need to remember that and stick to their role. The NHS is dumbing down uses nurses as cheap doctors which is out write wrong sooner rather than later someone is going to die as a nurse simply didnt have the clinical knowledge to recognise what was wrong, this cant be stopped until nursing student realise they arent scientist and look to other people for advice

    oh ffs..are you seriously pulling this one?

    What is really really uncalled for and insulting was the suggestion that after three years of training that someone could still be a registered nurse and shouldn't have to recognise the signs of deterioration. And not recognising the signs of such would in fact be an uncaring act. Nursing is JUST ABOUT CARING - in whatever way you can, using the technology at your disposal and the skills you have gained to do so. It is not about being 'holier than thou' nor about being superior to another nurse or any other discipline. I am sick to death of hearing that the press think that students being trained in universities, and senior nurses are too posh to wash. It gets brought up in the papers every couple of months.

    You will find a lot of the general public have no idea what modern nursing involves and are baffled when they hear that you need a degree to be a nurse, why a degree? It's unfortunate you have the same view. All they do is empty bedpans and follow doctors orders :rolleyes: . We need to be educating the public to what the job involves- and it's extremely unhelpful when those in a different area of study give inaccurate information.

    Finally, caring is an important trait in nursing, however, you need more than just that. If all you needed to be a nurse was to be caring then why train in universities? This 'too posh to wash debate wont go away - its been raging since it was first raised in congress (half as a joke) in 2003 - so its been running for 7 years - maybe its time nurses voiced their opinions a bit louder.
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    (Original post by Subcutaneous)
    my department comes under medicine and health sciences
    Under medicine ?
    How dare you insult hard working professional nurses.
    Nursing is surely above medicine.

    (Original post by ballerinabetty)
    please learn to read. it is really important nurses can read.
    Is that a reasonable demand to make of busy scientifically trained, caring professionals ?
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    (Original post by Niveken13)
    Is Nursing BSc a vocational course?....
    Yes, just like medicine, architecture and engineering.
    Courses that train you for a vocation are ( surprise ! ) vocational courses.
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