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    To be honest the way in which everyone labels the EDL as racist proves their point. Anyone who speaks out about problems such as extremism or immigration are labelled as racists. Now everyone is scared of being racist positive discrimination happens.

    And the person who got told to take off his balaclava had a very good point. Why is it allowed for muslims to wear a burqa and not British people to wear a balaclava? The burqa isn't even compulsory for muslims to wear.
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    **** the EDL they are a rascist group full of thugs.
    Make love not war
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street

    We need another one.
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    Well a balaclava is intimidating to most people and many thugs and robbers wear it. If someone down the street is wearing a balaclava i'd be scared. Many elderly people are scared by hoodies imagine how they will feel with balaclavas? lol.

    Haha you wouldn't expect a girl in a burqa to smack you one lol. Yes the burqa is not neccessery in islam but if someone wants to wear it its fine its their own interpretation of religion.
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    (Original post by yaknow61)
    **** the EDL they are a rascist group full of thugs.
    Make love not war
    No, they are not racist. You don't even know what the groups objectives are. They are against extremism, not Islam.

    I bet you only look at the stereotype of them given by muslims.
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    (Original post by You-Rock-My-World)
    To be honest the way in which everyone labels the EDL as racist proves their point. Anyone who speaks out about problems such as extremism or immigration are labelled as racists. Now everyone is scared of being racist positive discrimination happens.

    And the person who got told to take off his balaclava had a very good point. Why is it allowed for muslims to wear a burqa and not British people to wear a balaclava? The burqa isn't even compulsory for muslims to wear.
    There's a huge difference between speaking out about these things - I completely agree with fighting extremists, you'd have to be pretty crazy to think they're an awesome thing. But these people aren't anti-extremist, that's the front they use. They hate all Muslims. Their chants were disgusting yesterday. It's all a front for horrid amount of racism and violence.

    They were even fighting each other yesterday!
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    (Original post by MaceyThe)
    I think you've got this the wrong way round.

    America's immigration policy has always worked on the "melting pot" principle. I.e. when you're given your passport, you leave previous baggage at the door, and you are now American first and foremost, and encouraged to be loyal to America. There is a strong feeling of what it means to be American, the lifestyle, culture, etc.

    Britain went for the "multicultural experiment," which is the exact opposite of the "melting pot" idea, and has proved to be a disaster.
    This leads to social division by encouraging immigrant communities to retain the culture rather than integrating. They have tried to stamp out the English/British identities because they're socialists, and partly so as "not to cause offense," and instead we have to respect all cultures as being equal, (even though clearly they are not,) and minority cultures - being a minority - are therefore natural victims to be championed, at the expense of the British.

    It's this warped logic that has led to problems, not any fault of the right-wing. The right-wings logic has always been, if you ARE going to come here, then if you fit in, integrate, abide by our laws and are loyal to this country, then there's no problems. Sikh's, Hindu's and other minorities have, by and large, had no problems doing this....... only Islam.
    80% of British Muslims consider themselves Muslim first and foremost, rather than British, and it is not possible for subscribers to the ideology of "Islam" to integrate with Western values without deviating from Islam.
    Well when you have some far right parties criticising Islam and talking about the indigenous white race that seems they want to keep their nationality and not give it to anyone. Americans policy is very good because a Muslim can say they are American and everything is ok, but here you can’t be British if your not white.

    Your last statement doesn’t make sense. You can have a religious belief and a national identity. The French have a much higher proportion of Muslims that says they are French. If you want to know why the ethnic minorities segregate themselves in one area, it is because it is very hard for a person to live in say Lincolnshire, do you really think they could live there when they have the highest number of BNP supporters.
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    (Original post by snoogy)
    There were a few BNP members with their faces covered yesterday in Stoke shouting abuse at the counter demonstration march. They claim to be completely separate and there's punishments for BNP members that are involved with the EDL but in reality it's all lies - they'll claim nobody can prove they were there or claim they were there innocently.
    So does the BNP want to distance itself from the EDL because the EDL is seen more as thugs and the BNP are seen more as a political party?
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    (Original post by snoogy)
    There's a huge difference between speaking out about these things - I completely agree with fighting extremists, you'd have to be pretty crazy to think they're an awesome thing. But these people aren't anti-extremist, that's the front they use. They hate all Muslims. Their chants were disgusting yesterday. It's all a front for horrid amount of racism and violence.

    They were even fighting each other yesterday!
    They are not a group that is racist. They are only called racist as a defence by muslims. Why are you stereotyping them to hate muslims? I know people in the EDL who definitely are not racist, they just hate the fact that the government does nothing about extremists yet people who highlight this issue are called "racists".
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    I'd rather football firms fight Muslims than fight each other. At least there isn't much chance on me getting caught up in the former.
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    (Original post by You-Rock-My-World)
    No, they are not racist. You don't even know what the groups objectives are. They are against extremism, not Islam.

    I bet you only look at the stereotype of them given by muslims.
    Well the EDL want to get rid of islamic extremism- sounds like a noble cause but the truth is at their demonstrations they shout rascist comments. It is full of football hooligans that just want to pi$$ people off by calling them rascist names so that they can have a riot.

    Not to mention its full of neo-nazi skin heads doing "Sieg Heils".
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    Football firms? Lol.

    The trash of society rearing their ugly heads again.

    As soon as GDP growth resumes these jokers will go back to their holes.

    And what the **** is 'Ingurrland'? If these penguins cannot say the name of their own country then they have some serious issues.

    They can't even stop flghting amongst themselves by the looks of things!
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    (Original post by jonjon123)
    Well when you have some far right parties criticising Islam and talking about the indigenous white race that seems they want to keep their nationality and not give it to anyone. Americans policy is very good because a Muslim can say they are American and everything is ok, but here you can’t be British if your not white.

    Your last statement doesn’t make sense. You can have a religious belief and a national identity. The French have a much higher proportion of Muslims that says they are French. If you want to know why the ethnic minorities segregate themselves in one area, it is because it is very hard for a person to live in say Lincolnshire, do you really think they could live there when they have the highest number of BNP supporters.
    The only reason people turn to extremists like the BNP is because there is no other option, the major parties refuse to acknowledge concerns regarding race and religion, simply pressing on with their positive discrimination eqaulity policies. If Cameron had taken his party down a more 'conservative' path it would have taken the wind from the BNP's sails. Most people believe you can be British if you aren't white, but have to sacrifice that belief to have their concerns addressed.

    Yes you can have religous belief and national identity in some sense, but that is hard to apply to Britain and in fact Europe, as our national identity is based on Christian ideals, making it in some cases incompatible with Islam. The French have less problem with Islam as they follow strictly secular policy and have not showed weakness to Muslim elements, who then know their place and integrate. The conflict occurs when these Muslim groups have been allowed to believe their religion is a higher practical authority than the state.

    Your last statement is a causal minefield, for a start, ethnic minorities group not because of the BNP but usually due to a common language, a new immigrant probably will not speak particularly good english and will seek out a community where he can communicate. On top of this they are often comparatively poor also and end up living in low value housing, usually in cities, grouping them together. Then geographical inertia sets in and they don't move. These concentrations of immigrants then give people visiting a city the impression that their country is being taken over, causing high BNP membership.
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    (Original post by Ministerdonut)
    Or could it be that the Government in this country, politicians etc running down to the judicary and the Police are far too tolerant of those minority of muslims who cause bother? I really don't think US law enforcement would take some of their more public displays ,such as those nutters who has signs up with 'behead those who insult islam'.
    Well those "nutters" do it because of the oppression they face. Yes it works both ways, but you can’t deny the fact that more Muslims feel welcome in the US than here.

    (Original post by Ministerdonut)
    Perhaps if a tougher line was taken , those who make political gain from groups like islam4uk Nick Griffin and his plastic well infiltrated British 'nationalist' party would have less examples to cite. And really the Daily Mail is serving a decent function in not being a Government sponsored mouth piece like the BBC. Now one should totally believe anything automatically written or said by the media .That goes for all newspapers or networks. The people the Mail is most popular with happens to be middle aged middle class women. And I hardly see them being very supportive of the BNP either. Have you read what is said about the BNP by the Mail ? Funny way to show support.
    Maybe they might not support the BNP but they do support most of their policies. That still could influence people to support the BNP seeing, as they are not that many political parties with the same policies.

    (Original post by Ministerdonut)
    There is also a different mentality in america generally amongst those who come to live there. This goes for all minorities not just muslims. There is this belief in the american dream and a real pride to be american. There is also a belief among americans that anyone can do anything if they work hard enough.I think any lack of intergration amongst any minority groups would be frowned upon. America is also a much larger landmass, and Britain is a much smaller over crowded country,so there will be more tensions.
    I don't see how that’s the Muslims fault. If America makes people feel welcome than that shows that they have a good government. If you’re mathematical than do it by percentage and you would realise Britain still has more tension.

    (Original post by Ministerdonut)
    As usual , I think , it comes down to fault on both sides. I don't believe for a second all muslims are extremists, but I don't think that people who are concerned about the changing nature of their communities are racists either.
    Don't see how that’s relevant. I never said anything about them being racist. Anjem Choudary was trying to help his "community" by raising awareness, he did not use violence and yet was banned but this group who uses violence are still allowed to exist.
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    (Original post by You-Rock-My-World)
    They are not a group that is racist. They are only called racist as a defence by muslims. Why are you stereotyping them to hate muslims? I know people in the EDL who definitely are not racist, they just hate the fact that the government does nothing about extremists yet people who highlight this issue are called "racists".
    They are racist. They are a horrific bunch of football thugs that can't even stop beating each other up long enough to protest.

    I'm all for protesting against things but they have trashed my hometown - how does that further their cause? Cars are smashed, graffiti everywhere, shop windows broken, litter and there was the lovely threat of further riots. They are nothing more than thugs using extremism as an excuse to get bladdered and then smash things.

    Protest against the awful situation we're in but don't make Nazi salutes, trash cities and chant such disgusting things. Many Muslims around here contribute to our society but the EDL turned up and attacked those who we consider part of our society and have been part of our society for perhaps longer than some of them have been alive for. They judged all Muslims as being "extremists" and attacked the Mosques and areas of the city with higher Muslim populations.

    If they're anti-extremists, then be bloody anti-extremist. Support tighter border control, march peacefully against extremism and generally stop using a couple of crazy terrorists as an excuse to bash all Muslims.

    (Original post by chica_chica)
    So does the BNP want to distance itself from the EDL because the EDL is seen more as thugs and the BNP are seen more as a political party?
    Yep, the BNP are trying to show they aren't a bunch of thuggish idiots and they can hold their own in Parliament. The sad truth is that there were BNP members in with the EDL yesterday. Any support the EDL manage to conjure up can easily be transferred to politics and the BNP are the closest party.
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    (Original post by effofex)
    And what the **** is 'Ingurrland'? If these penguins cannot say the name of their own country then they have some serious issues.
    Yeah good one! Oh wait...

    They originate from football firms, 'Ingurland' has much better intonation and rolls off the tongue better when chanting in a stadium than 'Ing-lund', I doubt they pronounce it like that when speaking.
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    (Original post by Seanisonfire)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street

    We need another one.
    Goodness me, don't encourage the thugs...can't we talk over a cup of tea or something?
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    (Original post by Seanisonfire)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street

    We need another one.
    The EDL aren't fascists.
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    (Original post by Cesare Borgia)
    The EDL aren't fascists.
    No they just happen to attract an amazing number of them.
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    placards, prominent facebook group members? ooh, them devils
 
 
 
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