LGBT Chat #6

Yay

Until my last relationship I was always single on holidays. Don't worry I'm sure you'll find someone nice to spend them with soon

Ok, well according to the Codex Bezae ...

at Mark 6.50, the Greek reads:

'Θαρσεῖτε, ἐγώ εἰμι, μὴ φοβεῖσθε', which literally translates as 'take heart, I am, do not fear'.

John 8.58 has the same 'ἐγὼ εἰμί' = I am. Although the Greek itself just gives 'I am ... before Abraham'. "πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ [.] ἐγὼ εἰμί"


The Septuagint gives this for the passage at Exodus 3.14:

'και ειπεν ο θεος προς μωυσην εγω ειμι ο ων και ειπεν ουτως ερεις τοις υιοις ισραηλ ο ων απεσταλκεν με προς υμας'

I would translate it as:

And god said to Moses, 'I am the one who is/I am who I am', and thus he spoke, 'you will say to the sons of Israel "the one who is has sent me to you"'.

It's a little less clear cut in this passage in the Septuagint because one faces the problem of translating 'o wn', which can be done in lots of ways. I wouldn't say it was permissible to translate it as 'The I AM' though.


The Mark passage itself is fairly clearly just 'I am', though. Although I would say it's not entirely without justification to want to modify the Greek to 'it is I'. You see, because Greek is so inflected, 'eimi' by itself means I am, which means that you tend only to add the pronoun 'egw' when you want to be particularly emphatic.

Hope this helps - let me know if I've missed something out or got the wrong end of the stick, I did this rather quickly.

I invited him to my birthday thing next week

Wait is it OK to invite him or not? Argh dating etiquette confuses me

That does help a lot, thanks. It looks like my source was suffering from wishful thinking a bit when he said that then. But I can see why you would translate it as 'It is I', since it would presumably be said quite emphatically if his followers were afraid. Even so, your translation of the Septuagint puts the apologist's claim into enough doubt for me. Thanks again!

EDIT: Aha! I have solved all problems, and exposed another lie from the apologists. The Hebrew Old Testament that we use translates it as 'I am'. The Greek that Jesus would have used is translated as you translated it (This from wikipedia: Exodus 3:14 has a whole article!). The claim made by the apologist is that critical scholars obscure the Greek of the Mark passage, by translating it as 'It is I', thereby removing Jesus' claim as God. He then points to the Exodus 3:14 passage as confirmation, but carefully makes no mention of which version (greek or Hebrew) he is referring to. It doesn't matter which translation of Mark you prefer; Jesus would not have known Exodus 3:14 as we do, so there is no basis to his claim. This makes me happy (And you're now quoted in several places in my essay - you are more trustworthy than wikipedia methinks)

Just told my housemates I'd like to pay less rent... I really hope I haven't opened a can of worms

Bwahaha, what are your justifications for paying less rent? I'd like to know how this turns out

Currently the biggest rooms (which are 2.5x bigger than my 2.5x3m room) pay £5 more / week than I do... but now that I've physically moved in here, I reaaaally think I should be paying like £8 less instead. I talked to other dudes about cost differences and small rooms and some people pay up to £12 less So I'm hoping my suggestion won't scare the **** out of people. AGH SAM I'M SCARED

Sounds reasonable to me, mind you in my house there was no discussion, everyone paid the same regardless of room size. See what they say, they might even agree if you've got such a small room.

Yeh we had the same price thing last year, but in principle we decided to fix it a little this year. I reaaally hope it goes as you say , i.e. people will agree... and in my suggestion, each person with a bigger room only pays £1 extra per week which is really not much at all.

and wtf tu es a la France, how is it going?! Are you settling in nicely?

With 'dating etiquettes' in mind.. what the hell do you talk about on a first date?
(Dunno if I should play my 'clumsiness' card in this case and tell her just how often I make a fool out of myself. )

I dunno, anything really. OH but try and avoid the subject of past relationships

On my recent dates we have just ended up talking about **** to be honest, but the conversations are enjoyable and he smiles a lot which I approve of

I generally avoid talking about past relationships.. so that should be fine. I do feel inclined however to ask her about her opinion on the papal visit. But I know that political/religious topics should be avoided..

It's nice to talk about random ****. But probably you'd already have to feel comfortable with one another.. Worried!!

I'm very happy for you though. And now I'm off to Princes St to buy some stuff for the football soc.

Grindr is definitely a vile application... but then, when you're not living in a city with a thriving gay scene, it becomes difficult to find guys to meet and is hence why the internet/iphone apps are becoming ridiculously popular now.

Good luck with your dates though, hope they go well!

Oh I talked about both politics and religion Although in fairness a giant pilgram group walked past us on our first date so religion followed on from there. Luckily we share the same opinions on that (that the pope sucks balls) so yay common ground!

I'm cautiously happy for me too. Cautiously though

I actually did some work today! Expect the plague of locusts soon-ish. I'm celebrating with cake and Dead Rising 2.