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    (Original post by S.Beall)
    1) I don't refer to by-elections - I am referring to the two big National Elections that have taken place since 2005. Each of which has delivered the SNP consistently around 30% of the vote - a big increase since 2005. I can't imagine the 13% consistent support fleeing to vote for Labour. This support has been, and will continue to be, consistent. Just you wait till results night.

    2) The SNP won a UK-wide election in Scotland. So they don't just win Scottish elections. Oh, and they have the highest percentage poll in Scottish European Election history! And that beats the time when Labour was popular!
    I've made a point about the scottish elections already but everybody knows that the big parties share of the vote was very low at the Euros partly due to expenses and partly the mid term referendum thing.

    We will indeed see on election night!
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    (Original post by maniacgeorge)
    I've made a point about the scottish elections already but everybody knows that the big parties share of the vote was very low at the Euros partly due to expenses and partly the mid term referendum thing.

    We will indeed see on election night!

    Expenses this, expenses that. It made no difference. My party wasn't exactly innocent, and the English Labour MPs were much worse than their Scottish Counterparts. If there was a rebellion against the major parties (BTW - in Scotland the SNP is one of the top two. Tories and Libs are irrelevant now), then surely the SSP, Greens, etc would have won a MEP? The SNP increased their vote much more than the Conservatives did in Engand. It suggests something for 2010.


    I have a feeling that results night will show SLAB MP after SLAB MP fall.
    Hopefully in Glenrothes.
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    (Original post by S.Beall)
    If there was a rebellion against the major parties (BTW - in Scotland the SNP is one of the top two. Tories and Libs are irrelevant now)
    That sounds practically fascist.
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    (Original post by S.Beall)
    Expenses this, expenses that. It made no difference. My party wasn't exactly innocent, and the English Labour MPs were much worse than their Scottish Counterparts. If there was a rebellion against the major parties (BTW - in Scotland the SNP is one of the top two. Tories and Libs are irrelevant now), then surely the SSP, Greens, etc would have won a MEP? The SNP increased their vote much more than the Conservatives did in Engand. It suggests something for 2010.


    I have a feeling that results night will show SLAB MP after SLAB MP fall.
    Hopefully in Glenrothes.
    I wouldn't say that either party is irrelevant, but the Tories have certainly fallen way behind.
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    You can't say that the third and fourth party is irrelevant in Scotland when we have a minority government. When Labour try to stop most of SNP bills going through who do the SNP appeal to?

    Third and fourth parties get pulled into the coalition, and just now it looks like the Lib Dems could be striving for an SNP coalition at the next Scottish election, so you can't say that they are irrelevant.

    As for the General Election (on topic liek), I'm mixed on what I think will happen. Tbh I have no clue, will people vote labour to keep the tories out? The thing I bear in mind is that the SNP voters are growing quite a lot every year, considering most new voters I know vote SNP default (like "I dunno..SNP?" ) , same way my parents and their generation voted Labour.
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    (Original post by jammycakes)
    considering most new voters I know vote SNP default (like "I dunno..SNP?" ) , same way my parents and their generation voted Labour.
    Really? In my experience, it was always the Lib Dems in that boat. Then again, I'm hardly young these days. Still, the SNP are basically anathema in my social circle, due obviously to their central-but-somewhat-disguised independence policy.
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    Well I'm speaking for a state schooled mixed performance 16/17 year old social circle, which about 1/3 has familiy from outside of Scotland. And okay let take the example of my modern studies class- the fact that they are a higher class means that you could say it's unrealistic because it's biased towards the views of middle class young peope but A)it's mixed- one guy is minted another is skint, and B) it's smartish young people with a slight interest in politic... and so few young people vote that we could be the only people taken into account in the end :P
    Outside of my modies class I'd add that most people just go "meh, SNP"

    So breaking down I'd say 1/3-1/2 are SNP, 2 or 3 are tories (class of about 20), a few are labour, and the rest couldn't couldn't care less. A lot of people like SNP as a way of getting to something else. I like SNP because I think that an independant Scotland would become more socialist, and because they aren't anti immigration (something annoys me about people here spouting immigration stuff that doesn't even apply in Scotland, we have an emigration problem). And I don't think their independance policy is disguised at all, they are obnoxious about it and shout it at every opportunity. SNP aren't exactly subtle. But yeah, my social circle is definetley the demographic that would have voted Labour in the past, but on the whole we have become disillusioned with them and the union and we want a bit of change- and SNP have picked up on their popularity amongst young people and want the voting age lowered to 16. So yeah, I still think new voters could help to swing it in some areas.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    That sounds practically fascist.
    Yet, that is what the Labour and Conservative parties have been saying for Decades about the SNP and the Liberal Party/Liberal Democrats.

    What I mean by being 'irrelevant' is that their vote has collapsed, or in the case of the Conservatives, not going anywhere significant.

    And what do you mean by 'Fascist'? I don't propose banning the two minority parties. All I am saying is that they are two small fish in a pond surrounded by two behemoths doing battle.
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    (Original post by jammycakes)
    Well I'm speaking for a state schooled mixed performance 16/17 year old social circle, which about 1/3 has familiy from outside of Scotland. And okay let take the example of my modern studies class- the fact that they are a higher class means that you could say it's unrealistic because it's biased towards the views of middle class young peope but A)it's mixed- one guy is minted another is skint, and B) it's smartish young people with a slight interest in politic... and so few young people vote that we could be the only people taken into account in the end :P
    Outside of my modies class I'd add that most people just go "meh, SNP"

    So breaking down I'd say 1/3-1/2 are SNP, 2 or 3 are tories (class of about 20), a few are labour, and the rest couldn't couldn't care less. A lot of people like SNP as a way of getting to something else. I like SNP because I think that an independant Scotland would become more socialist, and because they aren't anti immigration (something annoys me about people here spouting immigration stuff that doesn't even apply in Scotland, we have an emigration problem). And I don't think their independance policy is disguised at all, they are obnoxious about it and shout it at every opportunity. SNP aren't exactly subtle. But yeah, my social circle is definetley the demographic that would have voted Labour in the past, but on the whole we have become disillusioned with them and the union and we want a bit of change- and SNP have picked up on their popularity amongst young people and want the voting age lowered to 16. So yeah, I still think new voters could help to swing it in some areas.

    In my particular Higher class, I was the only firm Nationalist. It was quite lonely, which made a debate on Independence positively terrifying. Some things happened between Glenrothes and February, which made me very, very focussed and drove all the anger and frustration (not in regards to Glenrothes, but personal things) onto the opposition. And I won. Outnumbered, but I won. A thing which I believe the SNP can do this year - even if it doesn't get its referendum bill passed, it will get a mandate in 2011.

    And as for Socialism, what a debilitating, flawed, weak, compromised and deeply contradictory ideology. Indeed, help the least well off, but don't eliminate wealth opportunities! I would personally cut every single form of tax (except Green ones) to attract businesses from England, which would create jobs gallore. Less statism, more individualism and business-orientated politics.
 
 
 
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